I think I like TSW3 (Train Simulator World 3) Better.

I've never seen that game, but it's almost certainly a better game that MW2.

Early access to campaign starts tomorrow for anyone who has already purchased the game. You can download it tonight.

Got the game preloaded on steam

Downloaded and ready to roll. Might have a hard surge in my current illness on Thursday night.

Gonna be nice saving my $70 this year and next year

not hedge said:

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Says the guy who likes Cold War?

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Cold War was 10X the COD game MW2 is. MW2 isn't even COD. It's some ****ed up knock off built for bad players to sound ***** and camp corners. Wouldn't expect hedge to know better, though.

Have you even played the game?

How's the campaign?

not hedge said:

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Have you even played the game?

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Yeah I played the beta. Worst COD I've ever played. And I post on this thread because COD is my favorite franchise and IW has ruined it.

So you think Cod 4 and the original modern warfare 2 ruined call of duty?

This IW is not even the same studio as that IW. All of those devs have left. Now we have Joe Cecot running the show, who openly stated in an interview that they intentionally designed the game to cater to bad players.

Edit: and I'm obviously talking about what they started with MW2019. Cod4 and MW2 had all the game design staples of a classic COD. These new ones might as well be a different franchise altogether.

not hedge said:

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How's the campaign?

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Starting to play now.

You peeps have to know that homeslice has been playing since he was 9 years old. He has 15 years of "experience".

My stats:
1st console - Intellivision
1st game - Pong and War
Blackout wins: 135
Warzone wins: 40 something FFS awful

I could list games played but have to work today.

I'm absolutely SHOCKED that the target audience for this game is defending the game

I'm not sure what your gripe is about. Modern Warfare 2019 had a great campaign and the multiplayer was great until COD rolled out war zone. Sounds like MW2 campaign was good as well

-Squad spawn system
-No mini map
-Long sprint out times
-Slow strafe speeds
-No dead silence perk
-Loud AF footsteps
-No name tags
-SBMM/lobby disbanding (activision's call at this point, I know)
-cluttered awful map design (MW19, maybe MW2 will be better at this)
-TTK too fast
-Ghost hides you when you're sitting still
-Poor visibility
-Poor weapon balance (DMR from the beta was absolutely ridiculous)
-No reload canceling
-Gun mounting

That's all the things they've blatantly changed with MW19 and MW22. I'm not even saying those things make it a bad game, but they're what make COD games feel like a COD game, and that's the issue.

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HossAg said:

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I'm absolutely SHOCKED that the target audience for this game is defending the game

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**** off dude
You aren't too good of a player for this game.

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You can be a "good player" and still enjoy the tacticool campfest. See my previous post as to why I'm not playing the game and calm your tits.

So by "target audience" you aren't referring to bad players, even though you've said that's who the target audience is?

Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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So by "target audience" you aren't referring to bad players, even though you've said that's who the target audience is?

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The target audience is people who quit playing COD and want a "grounded" experience that brings back the nostalgia of the original COD 4/MW2 vibe, and I have no issue with that. The theme of the game definitely accomplishes that, but the gameplay doesn't at all. That's why I've never understood why people act like these games return to COD's roots. They brought back the modern theme with fancy graphics, but they completely changed the gameplay itself. That's always been my issue. These could be incredible COD games if they just kept the spawn system, mini map, etc. the same and brought in the new engine.

The retention strategy is making the game cater to bad players. So many games these days lose new players too quickly because the learning curve and skill gap are a turn off. The heavy SBMM and lobby disbanding does most of the work there. The rest of it is done by removing the skill gap via removal of all the features I listed above.

So no, the target audience isn't just bad players, and I shouldn't have phrased it that way. I do think the people who enjoy this game are typically worse than the people complaining about the game, but not always. I'm sure you guys could beat me in gunfights. There's even pro players that enjoyed the beta a lot, but I think that's just because they came off of vanguard and are taking what they can get at this point.

Fair enough

You still whine about it too much though

Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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Fair enough

You still whine about it too much though

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I can't just let what they're doing slide.

See y'all in 2024 on Treyarch's COD. That one's gonna be a banger.

Trey arch is horrible. Cold War, black ops 3 and 4, Vanguard. They arguably ruined call of duty

not hedge said:

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Trey arch is horrible. Cold War, black ops 3 and 4, Vanguard. They arguably ruined call of duty

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Treyarch didn't make vanguard, and BO3 is a top 3 COD ever. Your opinion sucks hedge.

Give me jet packs back

El_duderino said:

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Give me jet packs back

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BO3 separated the men from the boys. Those games were so good.

Campaign seems good so far, but I don't enjoy single player nearly as much as multiplayer. Therefore, I play it for short periods of time and then focus more on Overwatch 2 until we can start playing multiplayer and warzone 2.

I've been having a good time with overwatch 2.

Honestly, with COD mobile, I have more fun in 30 min increments of the COD experience than I have with a console version in years. I don't have to deal with team chat. It's mostly played by casual folks like myself. You can get in and out of a game without an inordinate amount of bullsh. It's generally a pretty great experience that can be enjoyed for free (though I have to admit that I have spent my fair share to unlock stupid player skins).

Anyway, I'll go back to COD on a console when they eliminate quick scoping for good. Nothing makes me rage quit more than getting schooled by a dude running around like a wild man pulling the trigger on me before his scope even loads. Hop, hop, slide, hop, slide, quick scope. Bleh.

And yeah, I stink at these games and fully admit it.

Quick scoping pretty much went away during the jet pack games up until MW2019 when they added aim assist back to sniping. Now it can be pretty bad again.

I'm really enjoying the campaign. I like the themes from the original modern warfare. Brings some nostalgia to playing that one. Graphics are great, I like the settings and story.