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I want to see your preseason posts stating that if we go 11-1 in the regular season you think it's the same as going 8-4.

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Written like someone who needs to ditch the maroon blinders.

No one wants to see the outcome we had but anyone who watched the last two games and comes away thinking "wasn't that great" should be ignored when it comes to football.

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What was your preseason prediction?

Did you have us beating Texas and winning a playoff game? If not, then time to shut the **** up.

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No, but I was hoping we would not, once again, fail on the national stage.

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What stage were we on during the 11-0 streak?

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The national one.... and then we choked. Kinda his point.

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But, on a national stage, we went 11-0. When was the last time that happened? Early 90s? Why is there no in-between? We either win it all or we choked? Stupid take.

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Yes, we were on a national stage doing well…. then we choked. Again, that's all the post you initially responded to wrote. And then you repeated that we went 11-0 on the national stage and then choked.

So…. what exactly is your point?

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You said you hoped we would not ONCE AGAIN fail on a national stage. As if this mirrors past results. My point is that we did not do anything ONCE AGAIN. How many times have we done this well in recent history, regardless of how it ended? I suppose the difference between our views is you are looking at the end only, I'm looking at the season. How many would have expected 11-2 and CFP bid at the beginning of the season?

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We choked... accept it and move on.

This season was better than expected. 100% correct. 11-0 was a hell of a lot of fun. And you also are correct, that is by far the best record we've had in quite a good minute.

However, ONCE AGAIN we are out of the post season conversation early. ONCE AGAIN we had a late season collapse that, let's be totally honest, ended in pretty embarrassing fashion. ONCE AGAIN we are already hoping for NEXT YEAR. And ONCE AGAIN even the most boisterous of sunshine pumpers is hedging their bet against a brutal upcoming schedule.

While much has changed.... so much has not. Maybe Elko is the answer. Maybe not. Time will tell. However, I fully grasp those Aggies who are simply at a point of basically stating, "enough of the talk... just win a f'ing trophy".

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I don't know if Elko is the answer or not. But we've beaten LSU back to back for first time since 1995. Beaten a ranked team on the road for first time since 2014, and we beat all the teams on the schedule we are supposed to beat instead of dropping stupid games like in years past. The end sucked but the season still feels different. I can be mad at the losses and still recognize the positive changes. Trust me, I want the effin trophy too.

Once again we are out of the post season conversation early? We've never been in the post season before.

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So, post season discussions are limited to the actual post season? No, of course not. Such discussions become serious in late October and grow from there. But you knew this.

As far as this "feeling different"….. well, in 40+ years of following A&M I've heard that so many times it borders on the comical. I'm not interested in feels. Nor am I particularly interested in off season discussions about the great things we'll do "next year". What I really want to discuss in the off season is what the trophy case will look like that we put the NC trophy in. And since such a discussion has not been had in Aggieland since before Hitler invaded France…. I don't think that's so unreasonable.

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I've also been following A&M football for decades. I can't speak for all those others who have said something that you find comical, but I am basing what I said on something none of us have seen in a long time. We have only had three 10+ wins in a season in 30 years. THREE. But this is like any other year to you? We got several monkeys off our back, in addition to the win streak, and making the CFP. Can you point to another season like this one?

No, post season discussions are not limited to post season only. You stated that we once again we are eliminated from post season discussion early. As if this year mirrors previous years, it doesn't for obvious reasons. Not making the playoffs is something that happened again, and again, and again. Not the case this year.

I think my issue is that you are just lumping this season in with others. It's mind boggling.

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Once more.... I have not said, nor will I say, this was not a good season. It was. So the repetitiveness of your painting this season as "good" is quite superfluous. Its almost was if you're trying to convince yourself.

What is truly "mind boggling" is to take a data set of one season and think that presents a clear picture of the path forward. Our repeated failures don't simply vanish because we went 11-0 (an 11-0 which, sadly, was in part to a very generous schedule playing the bottom half of the SEC) and got embarrassed in the first round of the playoffs. So, here we sit. A disappointing end, a QB that for all his skill clearly is lacking in certain areas, two new coordinators, a struggling OL, and an upcoming schedule that is brutal.

Let's hope the improvements we saw this year continue.... I hope Elko nothing but the best and pray he wins the whole damn thing. I'm simply no at a point where I have such belief in this team that I'd drop hundreds on Cotton Bowl tickets like some only to be find myself lucky to give them away. Faith or belief in this team to the point that I'm doing that simply has to be earned at this point.

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Not trying to convince myself of anything. What an odd thing to say. I'm merely trying to distinguish this year from others since you seem to want to lump it in with previous seasons failures. You are hyper focused on the two losses and seem unable to step back and see what was accomplished as a whole. There is a culture change that is evident to me, maybe not to you.

The SEC is the SEC. You can point to the lower half making up our schedule all you want, but we have lost to lower half teams year after year in the past. Not this year.

What clear picture of the future did I provide? What prediction did I make? I don't know what's next any more than you. I do however believe this year can be set apart from previous years. That's all I'm saying, not making predictions.

Speaking of data sets, can you provide a data set of another season like this one? I asked for one in my previous post and you didn't provide one. Maybe because there isn't one. Maybe this year is different after all.

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You are either simple or you're being intentionally obtuse. I tend to go with obtuse as you don't actually seem slow.

I'll say it AGAIN......we had a good season. One more time..... we had a good season. One more for good measure to get it through that head of yours..... we had a good season.

We had a good season. Then we choked. I know you wish those last two pesky loses weren't brought up as it tends to ruin your narrative, but sorry champ.... they matter. And you know it. And spare me with the SEC propaganda.... the SEC is the SEC, as if each team is this ungodly powerhouse regardless of schedule. We benefitted from a down LSU, a mediocre Missouri with a backup QB, a horrible SC, a horrible Auburn, a horrible Arkansas, and a pathetic Florida. Jesus... four of the SEC teams we played this year will be starting next season with a new HC.

Elko is 19-7 at A&M. He jus turned and 11-0 season into an 11-2 season. As stated earlier, a skilled but still under developed QB, a subpar OL, two new coordinators, and a brutal schedule. You FEEL we're headed in the right direction and we've witnessed a culture change in A&M football......and I'll pray you're correct. I'm simply Switzerland on this, totally neutral. Want to convince me, and many, many, many other Aggies that things are different? Well, prove it. Next year!

If we lost to LSU and Missouri they would have both been chasing playoffs after we played them.

Were they powerhouses? No. Did those teams have flaws? Yes. Were they bound to implode? Who knows. But the truth is that we ENDED their season. After us, there was no hope of playoffs. Whether they were bad or not, we got their best shot. Alabama didn't beat either of them by as much as we did. Florida beat Texas literally the week before we played them. They still only had 2 losses and everything to play for. We got their best shot, something everyone after us couldnt say. Auburn had just come off a referee assisted win over OU and had everything to play for. Their defense was one of the best in the SEC, no matter how few games their team won. The game against us was only close in score thanks to absurd officiating that threw over 30 flags in the game.

You can discount our wins and buy the sip narrative that spread through the media and social media all you want. But WHEN we played the teams we played, we were mostly picked to be upset. Now, after we crushed them and ended their hopes at anything meaningful, you come out saying they were trash.

Sorry, bub, it's just lazy and stupid.

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If we lost to LSU and Missouri they would have both been chasing playoffs after we played them.

Were they powerhouses? No. Did those teams have flaws? Yes. Were they bound to implode? Who knows. But the truth is that we ENDED their season. After us, there was no hope of playoffs. Whether they were bad or not, we got their best shot. Alabama didn't beat either of them by as much as we did. Florida beat Texas literally the week before we played them. They still only had 2 losses and everything to play for. We got their best shot, something everyone after us couldnt say. Auburn had just come off a referee assisted win over OU and had everything to play for. Their defense was one of the best in the SEC, no matter how few games their team won. The game against us was only close in score thanks to absurd officiating that threw over 30 flags in the game.

You can discount our wins and buy the sip narrative that spread through the media and social media all you want. But WHEN we played the teams we played, we were mostly picked to be upset. Now, after we crushed them and ended their hopes at anything meaningful, you come out saying they were trash.

Sorry, bub, it's just lazy and stupid.

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"If we lost to.... " stick to facts not hypotheticals. We can do that all day. And WE, and we alone, ended their seasons? None of the other teams that beat them played a role? Lazy and stupid.... indeed.

Speaking to an opponents record in relation to us defeating them is hardly discounting wins. I won't event get into the Sip narrative paranoia.... thats just sad. However, to simply state beating LSU or Auburn (with all sorts of **** rants about officiating) is somehow praiseworthy is simply buying into SEC hype. LSU went 7-6 this year. Auburn went 5-7. Yeah, I'm a real curmudgeon for not getting giddy about beating up on two subpar teams, SEC teams or not. And are we really pumping up beating them in a more decisive fashion than Bama? Ahhhhhhh...... the moral victory, oh how I miss you.

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If we lost to LSU and Missouri they would have both been chasing playoffs after we played them.

Were they powerhouses? No. Did those teams have flaws? Yes. Were they bound to implode? Who knows. But the truth is that we ENDED their season. After us, there was no hope of playoffs. Whether they were bad or not, we got their best shot. Alabama didn't beat either of them by as much as we did. Florida beat Texas literally the week before we played them. They still only had 2 losses and everything to play for. We got their best shot, something everyone after us couldnt say. Auburn had just come off a referee assisted win over OU and had everything to play for. Their defense was one of the best in the SEC, no matter how few games their team won. The game against us was only close in score thanks to absurd officiating that threw over 30 flags in the game.

You can discount our wins and buy the sip narrative that spread through the media and social media all you want. But WHEN we played the teams we played, we were mostly picked to be upset. Now, after we crushed them and ended their hopes at anything meaningful, you come out saying they were trash.

Sorry, bub, it's just lazy and stupid.

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"If we lost to.... " stick to facts not hypotheticals. We can do that all day. And WE, and we alone, ended their seasons? None of the other teams that beat them played a role? Lazy and stupid.... indeed.

Speaking to an opponents record in relation to us defeating them is hardly discounting wins. I won't event get into the Sip narrative paranoia.... thats just sad. However, to simply state beating LSU or Auburn (with all sorts of **** rants about officiating) is somehow praiseworthy is simply buying into SEC hype. LSU went 7-6 this year. Auburn went 5-7. Yeah, I'm a real curmudgeon for not getting giddy about beating up on two subpar teams, SEC teams or not. And are we really pumping up beating them in a more decisive fashion than Bama? Ahhhhhhh...... the moral victory, oh how I miss you.

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Yes, the team that gave them their 3rd loss when their back was against the wall and they literally couldn't lose an have a hope left.

And no, I'm doing nothing but pointing out that you are nothing more than a miserable sack of ***** Finding holes in your pathetic whiny logic was very very easy.

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I want to see your preseason posts stating that if we go 11-1 in the regular season you think it's the same as going 8-4.

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Written like someone who needs to ditch the maroon blinders.

No one wants to see the outcome we had but anyone who watched the last two games and comes away thinking "wasn't that great" should be ignored when it comes to football.

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What was your preseason prediction?

Did you have us beating Texas and winning a playoff game? If not, then time to shut the **** up.

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No, but I was hoping we would not, once again, fail on the national stage.

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What stage were we on during the 11-0 streak?

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The national one.... and then we choked. Kinda his point.

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But, on a national stage, we went 11-0. When was the last time that happened? Early 90s? Why is there no in-between? We either win it all or we choked? Stupid take.

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Yes, we were on a national stage doing well…. then we choked. Again, that's all the post you initially responded to wrote. And then you repeated that we went 11-0 on the national stage and then choked.

So…. what exactly is your point?

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You said you hoped we would not ONCE AGAIN fail on a national stage. As if this mirrors past results. My point is that we did not do anything ONCE AGAIN. How many times have we done this well in recent history, regardless of how it ended? I suppose the difference between our views is you are looking at the end only, I'm looking at the season. How many would have expected 11-2 and CFP bid at the beginning of the season?

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We choked... accept it and move on.

This season was better than expected. 100% correct. 11-0 was a hell of a lot of fun. And you also are correct, that is by far the best record we've had in quite a good minute.

However, ONCE AGAIN we are out of the post season conversation early. ONCE AGAIN we had a late season collapse that, let's be totally honest, ended in pretty embarrassing fashion. ONCE AGAIN we are already hoping for NEXT YEAR. And ONCE AGAIN even the most boisterous of sunshine pumpers is hedging their bet against a brutal upcoming schedule.

While much has changed.... so much has not. Maybe Elko is the answer. Maybe not. Time will tell. However, I fully grasp those Aggies who are simply at a point of basically stating, "enough of the talk... just win a f'ing trophy".

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I don't know if Elko is the answer or not. But we've beaten LSU back to back for first time since 1995. Beaten a ranked team on the road for first time since 2014, and we beat all the teams on the schedule we are supposed to beat instead of dropping stupid games like in years past. The end sucked but the season still feels different. I can be mad at the losses and still recognize the positive changes. Trust me, I want the effin trophy too.

Once again we are out of the post season conversation early? We've never been in the post season before.

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So, post season discussions are limited to the actual post season? No, of course not. Such discussions become serious in late October and grow from there. But you knew this.

As far as this "feeling different"….. well, in 40+ years of following A&M I've heard that so many times it borders on the comical. I'm not interested in feels. Nor am I particularly interested in off season discussions about the great things we'll do "next year". What I really want to discuss in the off season is what the trophy case will look like that we put the NC trophy in. And since such a discussion has not been had in Aggieland since before Hitler invaded France…. I don't think that's so unreasonable.

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I've also been following A&M football for decades. I can't speak for all those others who have said something that you find comical, but I am basing what I said on something none of us have seen in a long time. We have only had three 10+ wins in a season in 30 years. THREE. But this is like any other year to you? We got several monkeys off our back, in addition to the win streak, and making the CFP. Can you point to another season like this one?

No, post season discussions are not limited to post season only. You stated that we once again we are eliminated from post season discussion early. As if this year mirrors previous years, it doesn't for obvious reasons. Not making the playoffs is something that happened again, and again, and again. Not the case this year.

I think my issue is that you are just lumping this season in with others. It's mind boggling.

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Once more.... I have not said, nor will I say, this was not a good season. It was. So the repetitiveness of your painting this season as "good" is quite superfluous. Its almost was if you're trying to convince yourself.

What is truly "mind boggling" is to take a data set of one season and think that presents a clear picture of the path forward. Our repeated failures don't simply vanish because we went 11-0 (an 11-0 which, sadly, was in part to a very generous schedule playing the bottom half of the SEC) and got embarrassed in the first round of the playoffs. So, here we sit. A disappointing end, a QB that for all his skill clearly is lacking in certain areas, two new coordinators, a struggling OL, and an upcoming schedule that is brutal.

Let's hope the improvements we saw this year continue.... I hope Elko nothing but the best and pray he wins the whole damn thing. I'm simply no at a point where I have such belief in this team that I'd drop hundreds on Cotton Bowl tickets like some only to be find myself lucky to give them away. Faith or belief in this team to the point that I'm doing that simply has to be earned at this point.

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Not trying to convince myself of anything. What an odd thing to say. I'm merely trying to distinguish this year from others since you seem to want to lump it in with previous seasons failures. You are hyper focused on the two losses and seem unable to step back and see what was accomplished as a whole. There is a culture change that is evident to me, maybe not to you.

The SEC is the SEC. You can point to the lower half making up our schedule all you want, but we have lost to lower half teams year after year in the past. Not this year.

What clear picture of the future did I provide? What prediction did I make? I don't know what's next any more than you. I do however believe this year can be set apart from previous years. That's all I'm saying, not making predictions.

Speaking of data sets, can you provide a data set of another season like this one? I asked for one in my previous post and you didn't provide one. Maybe because there isn't one. Maybe this year is different after all.

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You are either simple or you're being intentionally obtuse. I tend to go with obtuse as you don't actually seem slow.

I'll say it AGAIN......we had a good season. One more time..... we had a good season. One more for good measure to get it through that head of yours..... we had a good season.

We had a good season. Then we choked. I know you wish those last two pesky loses weren't brought up as it tends to ruin your narrative, but sorry champ.... they matter. And you know it. And spare me with the SEC propaganda.... the SEC is the SEC, as if each team is this ungodly powerhouse regardless of schedule. We benefitted from a down LSU, a mediocre Missouri with a backup QB, a horrible SC, a horrible Auburn, a horrible Arkansas, and a pathetic Florida. Jesus... four of the SEC teams we played this year will be starting next season with a new HC.

Elko is 19-7 at A&M. He jus turned and 11-0 season into an 11-2 season. As stated earlier, a skilled but still under developed QB, a subpar OL, two new coordinators, and a brutal schedule. You FEEL we're headed in the right direction and we've witnessed a culture change in A&M football......and I'll pray you're correct. I'm simply Switzerland on this, totally neutral. Want to convince me, and many, many, many other Aggies that things are different? Well, prove it. Next year!

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If you want to keep saying we had a good season, that's on you. I believed you the first time you said it. My issue isn't whether you thought it was a good season. I just don't see how someone can lump this year with previous ones.

Dramatic much? When did I say all SEC teams are ungodly powerhouses. I never did. I certainly believe getting through the SEC with 7-1 record is harder than ACC, Big10 or Big12. Why do you think our SOR was so high? Matchups change week after week and it's hard to go undefeated in the SEC. Pathetic Florida beat t.u. which kept them out of the CFP. Florida is a pathetic team and yet they played spoiler for t.u.'s playoff hopes. In years past we lost to the lower half of the conference regularly. So I won't downplay that we went 7-1 this year. You want to stay neutral, fine, but I am optimistic.

You went on a rant about the quality of our opponents. Are you implying that we can only be considered successful if we only play teams from the top of the conference, with HCs that are established, and QBs that are having Heisman level years? How absurd.

Lost to sip and then at home to end the season with no playoff wins. Not bad but certainly not great. Aggie football.

Throw the tu game out the window. It sucks but sometimes you're going to lose to top 15 teams on the road

Miami was the deal breaker. You win that game and go to the Cotton Bowl and get run by a serious NC contender, I think a lot more people are going to look back on that as a damn fine season. But to sh*t the bed the way we did, at HOME and can't put the ball in the end zone even once……

Sorry. It feels like 8-5. 11 wins notwithstanding, the national perception and the mood of the fan base is still "same old Aggies"

No it doesn't.

Again, it's a you thing.

it's completely rational to think (and especially FEEL) like this season was a failure because of the manner it ended.


Anyone who doesn't understand that really doesn't understand sports, or human emotion.

PERIOD!!!

"Irrational"

That's the word you're actually looking for with your take.

Just surprised that so many males exhibit this personality trait.

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Throw the tu game out the window. It sucks but sometimes you're going to lose to top 15 teams on the road

Miami was the deal breaker. You win that game and go to the Cotton Bowl and get run by a serious NC contender, I think a lot more people are going to look back on that as a damn fine season. But to sh*t the bed the way we did, at HOME and can't put the ball in the end zone even once……

Sorry. It feels like 8-5. 11 wins notwithstanding, the national perception and the mood of the fan base is still "same old Aggies"

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If 11 wins feels like 8-5 that's on you. "Same old Aggies" would not have come back from 30pts down, would not have beaten LSU 2 years in a row, or win at ND, and would have lost one, if the not both, of the close games against Auburn and Arkansas.

I agree it was a damn fine season, with a sucky ending.