If that foul call was correct by the rules, then the rules are trash. Total garbage call.

Feels like we do this song and dance every 4 years or so when we don't win the Gold. We then come out and stop the competition and win the WC. Albeit this time round is a little different and was likely the last go round for the old guard (hopefully). Need a youth renaissance in a major way with the USWNT.

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Foudy said it best. Believe that stuff, but don't say it publicly. Next time I will bet to stay quiet.
This team still isn't very good by US standards, Rapinhoe, Morgan, Lloyd are shells of their former selves, Lovell,hasn't broken out like everyone expected etc but they found a way.
And nine offsides goals called back now. That almost isn't even possible. It's gotta be like 4 standard deviations from the mean. Just indicative of the problems with the team though.

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That may be true, but I'd say we can all reasonably expect this team to make the gold medal game. After tying Australia without really trying to beat them and edging out Netherlands, I'm not worried about Canada. Australia and Netherlands are both stronger teams.

We should see a US vs Sweden rematch for the gold. Very interesting to see how we respond after getting punched in the mouth.

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Sounds exactly like what van der Donk said.

And I'd easily argue the Dutch were the better team today. You can't go around tempting fate like that

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Dude it's Canada. The only sport they care about is hockey. I wouldn't be saying **** if we had a euro or South American team as the opponent.

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Just finished the replay. Yikes. That's a really harsh way to go out

3 games- NO GOALS ! Need new players- New Coach- New National team officials !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We've got some real BAS popping up here these days. I mean, I'm as disappointed as the next person, probably more so given the time and money I've poured into the USWNT since I attended my first match in 1999. But geesh, as my grandma used to say...don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I personally am still trying to figure out what went wrong with this tournament and it's not one single thing. Including "old". Honestly the only 2 players who I think played like they were just old were Rapinoe and O'Hara. Everyone else (except Ertz) just played bad. The chemistry was missing. They lacked creativity, desire, joy. All things that everyone of these same players has shown even in the past 2 years. Today in particular Lavelle and Horan were BAD. I mean, couldn't string 3 touches together BAD. Dahlkemper getting benched BAD. (Maybe we'll find out she's nursing an injury or something but either way...first time I've ever seen her have a rough game, much less tournament.)

So I don't buy into this excuse that the biggest problem is being old or not having fresh blood. Would a Macario have helped today? Maybe she sparks something via 1x1 brilliance. Would Trinity Rodman or Sophie Schmidt on the roster been able to just run like wild women up top and cause problems? Maybe. But back-to-back major championships is not and never will be the place to find that out. I would have done nothing different leading up to this tournament and as an NWSL season ticket holder who watches 75+% of the minutes played every weekend, there's not a single other person I would have brought onto this roster.

Yes, now is the time that we'll see retirements (after Thursday of course...remember there's still one more game ), but those of you begging for new blood, be prepared to be patient. HandofGod highlighted a bunch of great names to keep an eye on (page 8), but they are going to need significant development time over the next year to be ready for WWC qualifying next summer. Just like this team does every 4-year cycle for those of you who are new to WOSO.

Edit: To add that some people are probably going to jump on my last point to say that if we'd brought these youngsters in THIS year, they'd be even more ready in 2022. But I'll just say that the senior team is not where you start this development. Most of these players are in or just finished college. In US women's soccer, aged national teams and college is where development still happens and then it comes from the NWSL or playing abroad. You get experience playing with senior teams, but not that's not the primary source of development. All the players mentioned on the previous page have been called into development camps and some of received call-ups for friendlies. Just because you're not seeing them start doesn't mean they don't get the experience of training alongside the veterans in the background. I see zero chance any of them would have been ready for a major tournament this year even if they were called into every camp and got minutes in every friendly. Look at Macario...she's the second coming, played at Lyon, been in camp, got minutes and is still not quite ready.

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I'd imagine a lot of casual fans are happy that this has happened to Rapinoe, et al.

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You must have a different definition of fan

What's your definition of beating her to the ball? Neither the Canadian nor Davidson touch the ball prior to contact. Canadian initiated contact as Davidson swings her leg to clear the ball. Canadian contacts Davidson, Davidson is put off balance and swings through and takes out the leg of Canadian, Canadian then makes contact with the ball. Neither had possession and neither had position on one another. To me it's a no call.

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What's your definition of beating her to the ball? Neither the Canadian nor Davidson touch the ball prior to contact. Canadian initiated contact as Davidson swings her leg to clear the ball. Canadian contacts Davidson, Davidson is put off balance and swings through and takes out the leg of Canadian, Canadian then makes contact with the ball. Neither had possession and neither had position on one another. To me it's a no call.

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She got position on the ball. Is hip to hip a foul? No. Is kicking someone? Typiclly yes.

All fouls are subjective and I do agree that they re-referreed this rather than looking for an obvious error. This shouldn't have been overturned by VAR.

I think whether a foul was called or not, the call on the field should've stayed.

I think they did this quit a bit in the WWC too.

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Foudy said it best. Believe that stuff, but don't say it publicly. Next time I will bet to stay quiet.
This team still isn't very good by US standards, Rapinhoe, Morgan, Lloyd are shells of their former selves, Lovell,hasn't broken out like everyone expected etc but they found a way.
And nine offsides goals called back now. That almost isn't even possible. It's gotta be like 4 standard deviations from the mean. Just indicative of the problems with the team though.

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That may be true, but I'd say we can all reasonably expect this team to make the gold medal game. After tying Australia without really trying to beat them and edging out Netherlands, I'm not worried about Canada. Australia and Netherlands are both stronger teams.

We should see a US vs Sweden rematch for the gold. Very interesting to see how we respond after getting punched in the mouth.

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Sounds exactly like what van der Donk said.

And I'd easily argue the Dutch were the better team today. You can't go around tempting fate like that

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Dude it's Canada. The only sport they care about is hockey. I wouldn't be saying **** if we had a euro or South American team as the opponent.

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Don't think Canada outplayed us. The game should have gone to overtime / penalties IMO.

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Foudy said it best. Believe that stuff, but don't say it publicly. Next time I will bet to stay quiet.
This team still isn't very good by US standards, Rapinhoe, Morgan, Lloyd are shells of their former selves, Lovell,hasn't broken out like everyone expected etc but they found a way.
And nine offsides goals called back now. That almost isn't even possible. It's gotta be like 4 standard deviations from the mean. Just indicative of the problems with the team though.

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That may be true, but I'd say we can all reasonably expect this team to make the gold medal game. After tying Australia without really trying to beat them and edging out Netherlands, I'm not worried about Canada. Australia and Netherlands are both stronger teams.

We should see a US vs Sweden rematch for the gold. Very interesting to see how we respond after getting punched in the mouth.

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Sounds exactly like what van der Donk said.

And I'd easily argue the Dutch were the better team today. You can't go around tempting fate like that

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Dude it's Canada. The only sport they care about is hockey. I wouldn't be saying **** if we had a euro or South American team as the opponent.

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Don't think Canada outplayed us. The game should have gone to overtime / penalties IMO.

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It was bad soccer from both teams. Both teams should be executed and eaten they were so bad.

I'm just annoyed I woke up 12 hours ago to witness that thing they call soccer.

These are all really great points. I think I overlooked their lack of playing time because we had others like Lloyd and Ertz who clearly worked their butts off despite not having meaningful match minutes over the past 18 months. But you're right, that had to be a significant factor once they faced real competition again.

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These are all really great points. I think I overlooked their lack of playing time because we had others like Lloyd and Ertz who clearly worked their butts off despite not having meaningful match minutes over the past 18 months. But you're right, that had to be a significant factor once they faced real competition again.

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Heath was probably the most questionable ( take) to the olympics of them all. She barely got any practice or matches in before the tournament and they were already stacked at her position anyway. That would've been an easy spot to bring a youngin.

I would have still taken Heath. I would have replaced Rapinoe with Midge Purce. I didn't think Rapinoe deserved a spot on the 2019 team but she thankfully stepped up, but this time I really don't think she earned a spot.

I would put Williams higher on the depth chart/startingI didn't think Williams deserved the spot initially, but she was a nice spark to the offense. If she can work on finishing and stay healthy, she will be one of the top players in 2023.

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I would have still taken Heath. I would have replaced Rapinoe with Midge Purce. I didn't think Rapinoe deserved a spot on the 2019 team but she thankfully stepped up, but this time I really don't think she earned a spot.

I would put Williams higher on the depth chart/startingI didn't think Williams deserved the spot initially, but she was a nice spark to the offense. If she can work on finishing and stay healthy, she will be one of the top players in 2023.

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I'd agree with this. I think you need Tobin's creativity more than her fitness which makes it too hard to leave her off the roster. And Midge has been in great form as a playmaker even if it's not reflected on stat sheets in terms of goals/assists right now.

If you're celebrating Canada's win because the USWNT are "woke" and you hate that, well then, bud, I have some news for you ... 👊🏻 pic.twitter.com/FE99u7eWsA

— Elizabeth Cotignola (@LaDiavolina) August 2, 2021

I had the game dvr'd, and was watching it as I started work this morning. For some dumb reason my company website had the result on our home page, which often has news but this isn't relevant at all to my work.
So I turned it off at 25 minutes or so. I just now finally saw the "penalty". Without getting back on my soap box, it's everything that's wrong with the rules of the game, and the use of VAR. What a complete crock. Just dumb. Completely not a scoring position (which the rules don't even care about), was borderline even in the box, and the foul itself was borderline at best. So essentially VAR decided the game on all that when it wasn't called on the field. Just awful.
That said this team didn't deserve this title, and if this helps expedite change then maybe some good can come of it. And being that I have family in Canada I can at least be happy for them.

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If you're celebrating Canada's win because the USWNT are "woke" and you hate that, well then, bud, I have some news for you ... 👊🏻 pic.twitter.com/FE99u7eWsA

— Elizabeth Cotignola (@LaDiavolina) August 2, 2021

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They have a dude on their team.

After watching again this evening, what was really telling is that Canada's Rose (who drew the foul) didn't even protest the initial no-call. She went down and got up without so much as a word to the ref.

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If that foul call was correct by the rules, then the rules are trash. Total garbage call.

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Canadian polYer beat her to the ball. She kicked the Canadian. Pretty clear it was a foul.

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The Canadian stuck her leg out as the US player was swinging at the ball. That was not a foul in any sense of the word. It was incidental contact.

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What's your definition of beating her to the ball? Neither the Canadian nor Davidson touch the ball prior to contact. Canadian initiated contact as Davidson swings her leg to clear the ball. Canadian contacts Davidson, Davidson is put off balance and swings through and takes out the leg of Canadian, Canadian then makes contact with the ball. Neither had possession and neither had position on one another. To me it's a no call.

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She got position on the ball. Is hip to hip a foul? No. Is kicking someone? Typiclly yes.

All fouls are subjective and I do agree that they re-referreed this rather than looking for an obvious error. This shouldn't have been overturned by VAR.

I think whether a foul was called or not, the call on the field should've stayed.

I think they did this quit a bit in the WWC too.

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It is if you jump into someone. Both players must have one foot on the ground. The Canadian left the ground and made contact.

Like I said, all fouls are subjective.

But they shouldn't have re-refereed via VAR.

She played at UF too.

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She played at UF too.

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Yep. She was fantastic at Florida. Ended up being a top 10 pick in last years draft, I think for North Carolina but honestly can't remember if she's played much for club yet this season. I always really liked watching her which makes this result even more frustrating.

Goalkeeper Alyssa Naeher will not be available for the bronze medal match after suffering a hyperextension of her right knee and a bone contusion in Monday’s semifinal.

Get well soon, @AlyssaNaeher! ❤️🇺🇸

— U.S. Soccer WNT (@USWNT) August 3, 2021

Fairly solid take and good food for thought IMO:
https://www.espn.com/soccer/womens-olympic-tournament/story/4445444/uswnt-reasons-for-olympic-struggles-rating-impact-of-roster-agerotationtacticsno-crowds-and-more