Lets pretend that Chris Paul isn't predicted to finish higher in the MVP voting this year than Parker, and wasn't last year either:

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1 -- LeBron James
2 -- Kevin Durant
3 -- Kobe Bryant
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http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2011-12/index.html

How about their career stats:

Paul-18.8ppg, 2.4spg, 9.8apg, 4.5rpg, 85% FT, 36% 3pt, 47% FG
Rookie of the year, 5x All Star, 3 All NBA team appearances, Defensive 1st team, 4x steals leader

Parker- 16.8ppg, 1.0spg, 5.9apg, 3.0rpg, 74% FT, 31% 3pt, 49% FG
4x All Star, 1 All NBA team appearance, 0 defensive first teams, no other major nba leader awards won.

Paul literally dominates Parker in almost all major statistical categories.

Chris Paul > > > > Tony Parker

or as you may say, game set match.

And again, Simple avoids acknowledging that this debate is pointless.

How about answering a simple question, simplebay?

WHO IS THE PROVEN WINNER? CHRIS PAUL OR TONY PARKER?

Just give us one post with the first name and last name of the player you believe answers the above question best. You're on the clock.

Wait, so the Spurs win 1 series and the fans are already back to declaring Parker the best PG in the NBA again?

Why would we compare career stats? How good Parker was in 03 has nothing to do with how he's playing today (at an insanely high level)

Paul is a better passer and has better court vision (though Parker's no slouch here). He's a better 3 point shooter (Parker shoots fine out to 15-18 feet and then his shooting % drops fast).

Parker is much better at driving the lane and scoring near the basket.

Most teams would prefer Paul's passing and long range shot. For the Spurs, Parker's skill set is a better fit. We've got plenty of shooters and everybody on the team is (at least) an above average passer with great court awareness. We don't need Paul to spoonfeed anyone. However, Parker's ability to drive the rim and demand double teams, which opens up those shooters. Paul couldn't do that as well as Paul. Period. The end. No argument

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Why would you compare championships as a representation for defining player ability? Team's roster, management, draft picks, cap space, coaching, and unfortunate injuries have nothing to do with the ability to win a championship?

By Spurs fans logic Tony Parker is better than Chris Paul as Adam Morrison is better than Karl Malone. Proven winner.

Morrison: 2x NBA Champion
Karl Malone: 0x NBA Champion

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Why would you compare championships as a representation for defining player ability?

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Why would you say Parker's stats in 03 are determinative of his ability today?

By your logic, Andrew Bynum is a middle of the road center because he didn't produce anything at first.

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Why would you compare championships as a representation for defining player ability?

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Take championships out of the equation, then--who has the higher WINNING percentage?

And you still haven't answered the question. Predictably.

im defining it as quantifiable results over a period of time. and Paul clearly trounces Parker in every which way. and it's certainly a hell of lot more conclusive than "but, but, parker won 3 titles"

alright fine lets play your game. how about this year's stats alone?

Paul- 19.8ppg, 9.1apg, 3.6rpg, 86% FT, 37% 3pt, 48% FG
Parker- 18.3ppg, 7.7apg, 2.9rpg, 80% FT, 23% 3pt, 48% FG

so, yes, this year Chris Paul is dominating Tony Parker in both media perception (see: MVP race predictions), and is literally better than him statistically.

why do you people continue to feed the troll?

au contraire, this time it is the spurs fans successfully trolling me. no one can actually believe Chris Paul is worse than Tony freaking Parker.

it. is. Chris. Paul.

excellent trolls guys. but i won't vote your posts down, no worries.

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so, yes, this year Chris Paul is dominating Tony Parker in both media perception (see: MVP race predictions), and is literally better than him statistically.

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Who's team is the #1 seed?

And don't even bring media perception into this--it's common knowledge that playing for the Spurs means you take a backseat on the national perception stage. Been that way for over a decade now, so don't act like that's a leg to stand on.

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why do you people continue to feed the troll?

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Unbelievably bored at work today. Plus it's fun to watch Simple chase his tail.

If you want to say Parker is a better long roster term fit due to his non-max contract - debatable. But you dont want Paul because he's too good at passing? If Paul was on the Spurs and was somehow told "stop being such an elite passer and focus on driving/finishing" then he would easily adapt.

The only thing Parker is better than Paul at is not whining/flopping.

Looking like we're going to have 5 +/- 1 games of head-to-head matchup to settle this one.

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Looking like we're going to have 5 +/- 1 games of head-to-head matchup to settle this one.

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No, it won't settle anything. WHEN (yes I said it) Tony Parker's team bests Paul's team again in the playoffs, these idiots will still come back with shyt like "but Paul is still the better player," or "but CP3 is a more elite PG," or "put CP3 on the Spurs and he'd win too," blahblahblah etc.

All the while TP will be still playing in the WCF, and CP3 will be home watching. Again.

Who cares who is better? We will find out soon enough who's team is better. Isn't that what matters?

Sheeesh.

The clippers are not better than the spurs. they wont beat the spurs. because there's a lot more that goes into winning a championship than the skill of one player.

because, if that was all that determined a championship, Chris Paul would have infinite number of championships over Parker. because his is, factually, a better player.

Big effin deal if Paul is better than Parker.

What matters most is that Parker will more likely lead his team to another title while Paul will not. That may change based on injuries, but right now the Spurs are playing at a championship level and Parker has a lot to do that.

Thread's not even a day old and already Simple has infested it with his usual bs. Sigh.

It's not all on him though. You all really need to stop feeding the ****ing troll.

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It's not all on him though. You all really need to stop feeding the ****ing troll.

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Aw man, just trying to have a little fun, shark. I'll quit stirring the pot, though. Shamed me into doing it lol.

Paul is better than Parker but today, the way both are playing it isn't by much if at all. That could change in 2 months again but the way Tony is playing right now, there isn't many players better than him at this moment. This happens a lot with players (Z-bo last year). Not many players were playing better than Randolph last post-season just like Tony this year.

Tony and CP3 if matched up in a series next week would be a wash.

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Parker- 16.8ppg, 1.0spg, 5.9apg, 3.0rpg, 74% FT, 31% 3pt, 49% FG
4x All Star, 1 All NBA team appearance, 0 defensive first teams, no other major nba leader awards won.

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So Finals MVP isn't a major award?

tbird, I'm sure simple will run his mouth plenty once the series starts. Won't need much pot-stirring then.

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The only thing Parker is better than Paul at is not whining/flopping.

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BS. Parker is considerably faster than Paul and has a better instinctive feel for when to cut & drive to fake out & get by opponents. You can't teach that.

Parker also has a dizzying array of moves near the basket. Layups, tear drops, pull up jumpers, spin moves, etc.

I'm happy to concede that Paul is a better PG in the traditional respect, but at the same time, Parker has abilities that Paul cannot match. You've got your head up your ass if you think otherwise.

i dont...no. words....should've sent a poet....

Chris Paul is probably the second hardest person in the entire league to keep in front of you (maybe #1 if you force lebron to post the defender, or the left). He can virtually get to the basket at will. I will wholeheartedly disagree that Parker is faster than Paul. CP3's ability to stutter step, get the defender on the heels, while simultaneously changing direction/dribble is unrivaled.

Chris Paul is the better point guard. No question. Parker might get more MVP votes due to the success of the Spurs, but this doesn't make him better. Paul will more than likely get the 1st team nod. Why has there been over a page dedicated to this subject? It's retarded.

^ Seriously. Enough already.

In 20 years, people will remember Tony Parker as a champion and a vital part of a 10-year+ dynasty.

Chris Paul? Not so much. Just another great player.

Shark can't take it. Enough ItalAggie, how dare you not favor the spurs in any discussion. Seriously.

it has gone this much because there are apparently spurs fans (see above) that actually believe Parker == Paul, or Parker > > > Paul.

And after this week, this will more than likely be a very relevant discussion. As I fully expect Paul to outplay Parker in the next series. And the Spurs should win it rather easily. (logically following why Parker and Adam Morrison's multiple championships dont necessarily reflect who they are comparable to/better than)

Obi Wan Ginobili
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Chris Paul, the best point guard in the NBA and an arguable top 5 PG of all time

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i won't say tony is better or not without collecting my thoughts because they are so damn close, but this statement just made a strong push for retard quote of the week.

please explain how chris paul is better than derrick rose, and when you get done with that, please tell me who numbers 6-10 on your "best PG's ever" list would be. i would LOVE to see who chris paul is better than with your infinite knowledge.

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still waiting, dewshbag

Spurs in five. Clipps are a joke. Can't even believe Memphis is losing this series.

Same people saying spurs in six were the ones saying Utah would go five or six.

Was agreeing with him, imbecile.

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Shark can't take it. Enough ItalAggie, how dare you not favor the spurs in any discussion. Seriously.

it has gone this much because there are apparently spurs fans (see above) that actually believe Parker == Paul, or Parker >>> Paul.

And after this week, this will more than likely be a very relevant discussion. As I fully expect Paul to outplay Parker in the next series. And the Spurs should win it rather easily. (logically following why Parker and Adam Morrison's multiple championships dont necessarily reflect who they are comparable to/better than)

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We will see. Parker outplayed Paul by a wide margin in both regular season meetings

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Same people saying spurs in six were the ones saying Utah would go five or six.

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I thought the utah series would go 5. Thought the homecourt advantage would put the Jazz over the top in at least one game. Glad I was wrong.

I could see this series maaaaybe going six, but I think that's being a tad to pessimistic about the spurs' ability to contain Paul. 5 is most likely. Maybe even another sweep.

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i dont...no. words....should've sent a poet....

Chris Paul is probably the second hardest person in the entire league to keep in front of you (maybe #1 if you force lebron to post the defender, or the left). He can virtually get to the basket at will. I will wholeheartedly disagree that Parker is faster than Paul. CP3's ability to stutter step, get the defender on the heels, while simultaneously changing direction/dribble is unrivaled.

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I'm on my phone so I'm not gonna do links or proper quotes.

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/03/08/who-is-really-the-fastest-point-guard/

But none can touch Parker in an open sprint, at least not so far this season. Parker has reached a high speed of 20.9 miles per hour in one stretch of in-game sprinting, easily the highest speed any of these guys have registered. Rubio is next, at 19.4 miles per hour, and the rest of the crew falls into the 17 range. Chicago has not invested in the STATS system, so we only have a few games worth of data on Derrick Rose; he reached a peak speed of 17.0 miles in San Antonio last month.

Paul isn't using the system, but theyve got a whos who list and Parker is fastest