Nah, we'll stick to Deron/Mavs talk, thanks.

So you'd roll with:

Deron
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Marion
Dirk
Mahinmi

Not bad. Haven't ever had a scoring PG (Devin Harris does not count), so it'd be an enormous upgrade. WC teams would have a hard time defending him.

What bigtime pg would go to a team starting Ian Mahinmi?

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What bigtime pg would go to a team starting Ian Mahinmi?

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The Nets have Kris Humphries & Marshon Brooks in their starting lineup.

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I'm pretty sure those are the top 4 teams for next year...discuss

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Go away idiot.

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Deron
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Marion
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Deron/Kidd
Two of Delonte West/VC/Terrence Ross (via draft trade up)
Marion/ ? (maybe Danny Green if SA lets him walk?)
Dirk/Wright
Omer Asik (RFA)/Mahinmi

Haywood amnestied. West will demand some money, so that could be out. I think he deserves the MLE at least. Asik seems to be a target for quite a few teams.

I doubt all those cap numbers fit together, just kinda spitballing players at certain positions.

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The Nets have Kris Humphries & Marshon Brooks in their starting lineup.

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Kris Humphries was one of the best rebounders in the NBA last year and one of the few people in the NBA to average a double double

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Mahimi showed progress. If he keeps progressing, he may be okay.

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Spurs fans said this every year for almost a decade. Ian Mahinmi is a poor man's Samaki Walker.

Only 25, still has some time. He's a serviceable backup in the meantime.

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Nah, we'll stick to Deron/Mavs talk, thanks.

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Um...

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if you (THE MAVS) add him (Deron Williams) in for Kidd

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I'm pretty sure that's what I said, but ok...

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Go away idiot

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Awwww, I must have hit a nerve...you mavs fans make me laugh.

Yeah, so let's talk mavs...You guys need much more help than just d-williams...PERIOD. if you really think he will get you back to the finals, good luck. He killed the career of Jerry Sloan and was shipped to New Jersey because of it, but now somehow you think he'll come to dallas and win a championship...you'll forever be stuck in the Spurs shadow w/ or w/out d-williams, and I'm not even a spurs fan lmao...

...you just got swept out of the playoffs by a team in OKC thats more talented, younger, and just plain better (and isn't going anywhere), you're built around an aging star whose best days are behind him, your center just won defensive player of the year...for another team (knicks), and your 6th man of the year will be in another uniform next season...its clear your glory years, or year, is over...But what do I know, I'm an idiot lmao..just keep ignoring the facts, it's noble work you mavs fans are doing


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Basketball Other has the biggest per-capita troll % on TexAgs.

Please show us where someone said Deron will get the Mavs back to the finals.

Deron will get the Mavs back to the Finals. Book it.

Turned 28 today:



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Damn you GSoup

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Trolling implies that what I'm saying is untrue, or I'm saying it just to get a reaction and don't believe it. Everything I said is fact...just because you refuse to admit it doesn't make it any less true.

The worst thing that happened to the Basketball Other board was the mavs winning 1 ring. Somehow you mavs fans think that puts you on an even playing field with the Spurs or Lakers or even the Heat. The mavs will end up like the 2004 pistons...one good year then lost for the next 8+ and counting. It'll be good to get the mavs back where they belong...in the background.

Yep the Mavs only had 1 good year.

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Deron/Kidd
Two of Delonte West/VC/Terrence Ross (via draft trade up)
Marion/ ? (maybe Danny Green if SA lets him walk?)
Dirk/Wright
Omer Asik (RFA)/Mahinmi

Haywood amnestied. West will demand some money, so that could be out. I think he deserves the MLE at least. Asik seems to be a target for quite a few teams.

I doubt all those cap numbers fit together, just kinda spitballing players at certain positions.

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That's a pretty good job of spitballing.

I was definitely leaning towards Perry Jones but now I'm starting to think Ross makes more sense.

I forgot Haywood is gone. Good riddens.

The point of all this discussion is that Deron is the first domino that needs to fall. Cubes hands are tied until he decides one way or the other.

I like our chances. Even with our championship-deconstructed roster I still think we have better players than Brooklyn. The glaring weakness is the center position. I wouldn't be surprised to see us pull off a draft-day trade if one of the more athletic centers is still available when a realistic trade partner is selecting.

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I forgot Haywood is gone. Good riddens.

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Technically he's not gone yet. As soon as anybody becomes available to the Mavs at that position he'll be gone milliseconds later.

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Bit of an understatement IMO. Kidd would be one of the best backup PGs in the game for his last 2 years. He is THE example of value not really showing on the stat sheet. He does so much to help the team via leadership, intangibles, etc.

Oh and this

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I wish this board could get back to more actual basketball talk like some of this thread has been. We should be able to vote to have people banned.

Sorry Pat, I was just messing with Keith.

D-Will is coming to Dallas. He said he's going to decide quickly on which team he will go to. That obviously helps Cubans Meat because when Deron decides everything else falls into place. If he was to be a true Meat Sack and take a week to decide, Cuban wouldn't be able to go out and put other players around him and Dirk. Everyone needs to just stroke their Meat for a second and relax. Deron is cumming.

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Yep the Mavs only had 1 good year.

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I'm pretty sure they've only won 1 championship, unless a a few of Dirk's 9 first round playoff exits have someone been counted as championship seasons.

Did I miss something? Was there a season that I'm not aware of?

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Spurs fans said this every year for almost a decade. Ian Mahinmi is a poor man's Samaki Walker.

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I prefer to think of Ian as a rich man's Desagana Diop instead.

I wonder if there's a contingency if DWill stays in Brooklyn.

There wouldn't be too many options at that point. We'd have no point guard, weak center rotation, and an aging star. A lot is riding on DWill's decision.

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There wouldn't be too many options at that point. We'd have no point guard, weak center rotation, and an aging star. A lot is riding on DWill's decision.

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So with D-Will you'll have a point guard, an aging star, a weak center rotation, and approximately 40 million per year in 2 players. Good luck...

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I'm pretty sure they've only won 1 championship, unless a a few of Dirk's 9 first round playoff exits have someone been counted as championship seasons.

Did I miss something? Was there a season that I'm not aware of?

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Not sure if serious...

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I'm pretty sure they've only won 1 championship, unless a a few of Dirk's 9 first round playoff exits have someone been counted as championship seasons.

1946, Paterno's 1st year at Penn State I believe was a great year

Did I miss something? Was there a season that I'm not aware of?

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So with D-Will you'll have a point guard, an aging star, a weak center rotation, and approximately 40 million per year in 2 players. Good luck..

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D-Will changes everything.

With D-Will we have an extremely strong PG rotation with Kidd.

With D-Will, the center situation gains some flexibility. Haywood gets amnestied and Odom gets traded (hopefully - for what I don't know, maybe even a backup C), that's ~10 million in savings. Our cap number sits ~51-52 million + whatever Kidd resigns for and not counting the option picked up on VC (which we're delaying the decision on). Wright gave us great minutes last year and he's on board for less than 1 million. Then we have two options: we can either pursue someone like Asik (a RFA who Chicago won't be able to match - he could get expensive) or pull a trade similar to Roddy B + #17 to move up in the draft and take one of Drummond (unlikely), Leonard, Zeller. Or do both of those things and have a very solid front court rotation that keeps Dirk from fatiguing over the course of the season. Heck, might even deal Dojo too (I have no idea what this guy can do, he's a nothing player as of right now).

With D-Will you also have the flexibility in the draft to wait/trade up for a C or wait/trade up for a tweener SG/SF like Terrence Ross (obviously the guy I want) who can back up Marion or work his way into the Jason Terry bench-scorer role as he develops.

With D-Will the aging-star no longer has to carry a disproportionate scoring load, and instead is complemented by a second star drawing defensive coverage and gameplan focus.

40 million per year in 2 players, and doing just fine. In any of the scenarios above that still leaves room to pick up VC's option, throw most of the MLE at Delonte and still sign someone like CJ Miles for depth.

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Plus I think with D-Will he would turn Mahimini into a much better player. I mean hell, if he can turn Humphries into a double double guy then who's to say the same couldn't happen with Mahimini?

Judge,

Nice analysis...one of the most insightful posts I've seen, especially from a mavs fan (no disrespect intended.)

A few questions...1) what trade pieces do the Mavs have? You mention a trade up scenario in the draft for Terrence Ross...Not very many people covet Rody B outside of Dallas, and even Dallas has soured on him. The one attractive trade piece that Dallas has at this point is Wright because of his upside and small contract...the issue is that the mavs trade Wright and they have no athleticism in the front court. Dirk was never an athletic talent, but with aging knees he's even more less likely to impose his non-existent athletic prowess on other Power Forwards.

Couple that with the fact that the mavs don't have shooters, and even w/ D-Will you have no one to take the inevitable double team from him. No shooters sans an aging Dirk, whose 3-pt % has decline that last 3 years in a row along with his points, rebounds, and assists per game averages.

A team of D-Williams, Dirk, Marion, Bahimi (sp), Vince Carter and co won't scare anyone, especially not OKC, or either LA squad, would you agree?

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A few questions...1) what trade pieces do the Mavs have? You mention a trade up scenario in the draft for Terrence Ross...Not very many people covet Rody B outside of Dallas, and even Dallas has soured on him. The one attractive trade piece that Dallas has at this point is Wright because of his upside and small contract...the issue is that the mavs trade Wright and they have no athleticism in the front court. Dirk was never an athletic talent, but with aging knees he's even more less likely to impose his non-existent athletic prowess on other Power Forwards.

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I can't speak to Roddy's trade attractiveness among other teams. I think he could be a decent player somewhere - he's been buried behind Caron, VC, Delonte, JET, Kidd, Barea for a long time. He can create his own shot, has range, decently athletic, and can finish at the rim. Wright is definitely a plausible trade piece. I'd like to hold on to him but he's going to command some money once his contract expires. If we could get some serviceable front-court depth in return for trading Wright it's definitely a possibility. Really just depends on the trade.

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Couple that with the fact that the mavs don't have shooters, and even w/ D-Will you have no one to take the inevitable double team from him. No shooters sans an aging Dirk, whose 3-pt % has decline that last 3 years in a row along with his points, rebounds, and assists per game averages.

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Not too concerned with Dirk and Deron being double-teamed. Dirk had a down year statistically, a bi-product of last offseason. He'll get into his routine before next season and we'll see where he's at. I imagine D-Will joining the team will renew his focus.

Adding shooters is part of the reason I said the D-Will domino needs to fall first. After that I'd imagine Haywood/center situation is step 2 and adding shooters comes after that. West needs to be resigned, the VC option, what to do with Roddy and Dojo, and Kelenna Azuibuke is still on the roster too.

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A team of D-Williams, Dirk, Marion, Bahimi (sp), Vince Carter and co won't scare anyone, especially not OKC, or either LA squad, would you agree?

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No, that won't scare OKC or LA (or even SA), but I doubt that's what the starting 5 would look like.

Assuming Dallas gets Williams...project your starting five, realistically. Because looking at it from the outside...it's looks to be Williams, West, Dirk, Marion or Carter, and Mahimi...

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he's been buried behind Caron, VC, Delonte, JET, Kidd, Barea for a long time.

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That's not a plus for Beaubois. Sidebar: how do I know how to spell Beaubois?

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Dirk had a down year statistically, a bi-product of last offseason. He'll get into his routine before next season and we'll see where he's at

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In the last 4 years, Dirk has gone from 25.9 to 25 to 23 to 21.6 ppg. His rebounds have dropped each year for 7 straight seasons. Assists have dropped 3 of the last 4 years. Statistically he has been trending down for years, you can't blame that on one offseason. He's still a great scorer who can put up points and he'll always be able to shoot, but opponents aren't going to be gameplanning around him forever.