*****2021 Spurs Offseason Thread*****

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ATL's contract situation, since Collins may be our target.

10 players under contract for 104mm.

C: Capela (18.6mm); Bruno (1.8mm)
PF: Galli (20.5mm); Okongwu (6.1mm)
SF: Hunter (7.8mm); Reddish (4.6mm)
SG: Bogdan (18mm); Huerter (4.3mm)
PG: Trae (8.3mm); Dunn (5mm PO)

FAs:
John Collins (28mm, expected)
Tony Snell
Lou Williams
Soloman Hill

28mm for Collins gives them 132mm in salaries, plus a million for the empty roster spot. 133mm with 136 as the Lux tax.

Next summer, Trae Young and Kevin Huerter are up for extensions. Say they keep Collins and he is around 30mm next year. Plus Galli (21.4) + Capela (19.7) + Bogdan (18mm) + Hunter (9.8) + Okungwu (6.4) + Reddish (6). Plus Trae's extension, which would be about 35mm. That's 146.3 before you do anything with Huerter and you only have 8 players. That's 6mm into the 140mm lux tax before you fill our your roster and they have the #20 pick this year, too. Huerter is probably worth 18-25mm.

Matching Collins will be tough. But not matching him could tank the team.

Trae will be worth the Rose Rule max, so 30% of the cap. $116mm=~35mm for Trae.
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Pelicans are so terrible.

Traded Adams, Bledsoe, the #10 pick, and next year's Lakers' first rounder for the Jonas brother and #17.
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Guitarsoup said:

Pelicans are so terrible.

Traded Adams, Bledsoe, the #10 pick, and next year's Lakers' first rounder for the Jonas brother and #17.


But their GM is amazing per espn

Zion is going to NY

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Guitarsoup said:

Pelicans are so terrible.

Traded Adams, Bledsoe, the #10 pick, and next year's Lakers' first rounder for the Jonas brother and #17.


It's all to try and clear cap space to make a run at Kyle Lowry.
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Or match lonzo's offer sheets.

I really think there's a good chance that ATL matches Collins. On Lowe's podcast they were saying that ATL is more likely inclined to match. I hope the Spurs don't put all their eggs in that basket.
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West Texan said:

Guitarsoup said:

Pelicans are so terrible.

Traded Adams, Bledsoe, the #10 pick, and next year's Lakers' first rounder for the Jonas brother and #17.


It's all to try and clear cap space to make a run at Kyle Lowry.


Lowery has made 150 million

Unbelievable
Enzo The Baker
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KOC reported that the Sixers offered Simmons for 4 first rounders, 3 first round pick swaps and a young player from the Spurs.

Spurs said no. You think?

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Why would we give up 4 first rounders on Simmons who has a broken jump shot? If we said no then I'm glad we did.

That's a haul that's offered for players who have everything and are elite or close to it - Paul George, Anthony Davis, James Harden. Ben Simmons is a great player, I don't mean to argue whether he'd help the Spurs or not, but no team should mortgage their future to take Ben Simmons off of the Sixers. This is similar to the Kawhi predicament we were in. He wanted out, everyone knew it, and he tanked his value. Simmons' performance hurt his value, and everyone knows Philly wants to move on.
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MookieBlaylock said:

West Texan said:

Guitarsoup said:

Pelicans are so terrible.

Traded Adams, Bledsoe, the #10 pick, and next year's Lakers' first rounder for the Jonas brother and #17.


It's all to try and clear cap space to make a run at Kyle Lowry.


Lowery has made 150 million

Unbelievable
About half as much as Lilliard.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Or match lonzo's offer sheets.

I really think there's a good chance that ATL matches Collins. On Lowe's podcast they were saying that ATL is more likely inclined to match. I hope the Spurs don't put all their eggs in that basket.
Not a lot of other baskets we have to put the eggs in.

Free agent PFs:

John Collins
Lauri Markkanen
Bobby Portis
Millsap (36yo, put up 9/5 last year in 20mpg)
Dougie McDermott (more of a SF, but he brings his shot.)
Zach Collins (multiple surgeries on his feet/ankles, didn't play last year and only 11 games the year before.)
JaMichel Green (Career 8/6 guy)

Also need a playmaker. Spencer Dinwiddie give us the hometown discount?

Dinwiddie and Portis would be fine with me as long as they don't overpay for either. Need to save room under luxury tax to give Lonnie the max soon.
Enzo The Baker
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I know it's a dose of reality, but that is a big list of Meh that barely moves the needle, if at all.
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Enzo The Baker said:

KOC reported that the Sixers offered Simmons for 4 first rounders, 3 first round pick swaps and a young player from the Spurs.

Spurs said no. You think?


Hopefully no team is this dumb.
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Enzo The Baker said:

KOC reported that the Sixers offered Simmons for 4 first rounders, 3 first round pick swaps and a young player from the Spurs.

Spurs said no. You think?




Morey is just throwing **** against the wall to see if anything sticks.
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Draft day is here!

I think there's a pretty good chance we trade back with there being teams with multiple late first round picks trying to move up, but given how we normally operate staying out at 12 is most likely.

My personal preference at 12:
Alperen Sengun
Josh Giddey
Franz Wagner
Moses Moody
Corey Kispert

Guys I like at 41:
Joe Wieskamp
Jeremiah Robinson Earl
Vrenz Blienjenbergh
Kessler Edwards
Quentin Grimes
Enzo The Baker
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Reports that Atlanta is trying to move up for Cam + 20. I'd consider it if who we want in the lottery is gone by 12.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Reports that Atlanta is trying to move up for Cam + 20. I'd consider it if who we want in the lottery is gone by 12.
only way they do that is if they can get higher into the lottery. sincerely doubt they would consider doing that just to move up 8 spots. otherwise i would definitely pull the trigger. Cam is only 20 and is probably more talented than any of the guys we could get at 12.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Reports that Atlanta is trying to move up for Cam + 20. I'd consider it if who we want in the lottery is gone by 12.
**** that. They are trying to free up salary to be able to keep Collins.
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Sengun or Giddey
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Sengun might be available. I think Giddey will be gone by then. If I put money on it, I think both will be gone by 12.

Those are my top 2 as well FWIW.

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Maybe I'm missing something on Kuz but he's very underwhelming to me. I guess he could possibly flourish in a bigger role. But, I'd hope they'd attach a pick to that.
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Yeah, not ideal, but if his shot continues to get better, he could be solid.

36% from 3
13/6 in 29 minutes

We need a stretch 4.

Fills a need at ok salary (3y39mm), but his defense isn't great, either
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Spurs related bc him opting in is potentially a factor in the Lakers sign and trade scenarios
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HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:



Spurs related bc him opting in is potentially a factor in the Lakers sign and trade scenarios
Probably not now.
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Yup. DeMar is probably a MLE candidate now for the Lakers if he does want to play there.

There has been a report that he DeMar wants between $20MM-$23MM per year. Few teams have cap space for this, but he has been tied to NYK who does have some cap space. Not too sure what sign and trade options are out there for a contender. I have also heard LAC, but there is no one on that team that is enticing, nor do they have a lot of 1st round picks if I'm not mistaken.
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LawHall88 said:

HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:



Spurs related bc him opting in is potentially a factor in the Lakers sign and trade scenarios
Probably not now.

Why would they want Westbrook next to Bron, though.
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Hopefully the magic don't screw us.
Enzo The Baker
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Damn. We are for sure getting screwed. I really hope we don't draft Kai Jones.
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West Texan
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Well, Giddey is gone. Need Sengun to make it to us other wise I'd rather trade back.
Guitarsoup
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Wish we had traded up to 5 for Suggs
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That was one of the main teams supposedly looking at Sengun.
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West Texan said:

Well, Giddey is gone. Need Sengun to make it to us other wise I'd rather trade back.


There's actually many great options. You know the Spurs have a longer list than we do.
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West Texan said:

Well, Giddey is gone. Need Sengun to make it to us other wise I'd rather trade back.


He's available. Time for the Spurs to disappoint
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Ag Natural said:

West Texan said:

Well, Giddey is gone. Need Sengun to make it to us other wise I'd rather trade back.


There's actually many great options. You know the Spurs have a longer list than we do.




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