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I mean... the Pelicans can ask for an AD package, but as mentioned with the availability issues and the contract commitment, it's possible they could jump on a way out from under that contract for the right pieces.
I dont' think they are ready to get out from it now. Their core of Jonas, CJ, Trey, Ingram is above .500 so adding a legit superstar if Zion has a healthy season and they are a legit contender. I think they still need a real point, but that's not something they want to break up.
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Talent wise he would deserve an AD package for sure, but in this case extenuating circumstances have to at least make the Pelicans consider listening. My pretend package is probably too low, but I don't think it's as low as you all are making it out to be.
Collins+Keldon doesn't fill any needs. Trey Murphy is a better shooter than Keldon, plus younger and cheaper. Jonas is older, but more reliable and healthier than Collins. It creates more of a log jam. If we were giving a solid PF and PG plus picks, maybe they think different.
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Other than Boston grabbing the #3 and #1 pick out of the KG, Paul Pierce trade, these way down the line draft picks haven't ended up as top 3 picks. Partially that's because of protections, but even unprotected ones haven't really conveyed that high or netted stars for teams.
That Boston trade is better than we remember, and I think that because of that is why it is harder to get protectionless trades and it makes the Atl picks more valuable in theory.
2014 #17 pick (they took James Young over Jokic, Capela, Bogdan, Jeremi Grant, Dinwiddie, Joe Harris and Jordan Clarkson)
2016 #3: Jaylen Brown
2017 #1: Fultz, traded for #3 (Tatum) and a future first (Spurs legend Romeo Lankford)
2018 #8: Collin Sexton (traded with Thomas and Jae Crowder to get Kyrie, could have drafted SGA or one of the Bridges)
Boston received two cornerstones, but ended up with 5 firsts and traded away some of the players they got for a handful of seconds. Could have legitimately gotten 4 franchise cornerstone players.
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Partially that's because of protections, but even unprotected ones haven't really conveyed that high or netted stars for teams. The odds of those Atlanta picks being a top 3 pick are pretty small, especially because Atlanta won't have any reason to tank in the years we have their picks, so trade those if you have to.
Brooklyn didnt have any reason to tank, either. But both teams are super faulty. DJ seems like more of a headache after he talks every day. Trae sucks on defense. ATL has 8 guys averaging 10+ ppg plus Trae and DJ are 20+ and they are still struggling to hold onto .500 and an 8th seed in a year where they have been really healthy. Without making a single move next year, ATL is about $9mm over the luxury tax. That's why ATL traded starting player Kevin Hueter for nothing and backup center Jock Landale for cash. I think it is very likely that the ATL picks will end up in the lottery. I also think it is likely that the Spurs picks will be worse than the ATL picks in those same years.
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I'm sure it's clear by now, but my opinion is that you explore all opportunities to add talent in the form of actual real life players. The draft capital is great, but the chances of the Spurs getting a high pick from them, and then hitting on a top player is pretty low. Even this year with our own pick, if we end up at 4 or 5... we're taking a project player with no guarantees.
100%. We have like 15 first rounders and I would absolutely trade multiple of them for legit stars. I think it is the smart way to play it. Lots of people think that Miller should be the #2 pick, but he also may end up being Keith Van Horn or worse. Wemby may be Ralph Sampson. There are no guarantees and I would rather move assets for known quantities.
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In fact, if you look at what the Pelicans got in draft capital from the AD trade, they wasted the #4 pick in the 19 draft by trading it (passing up a chance for Darius Garland) and came away with Jaxon Hayes 8th and Nickeil Alexander mid 1st (not on their team anymore). The 2021 1st round pick didn't convey and converted to the next year and became the 8th pick, they drafted Dyson Daniels and he's done nothing this year to suggest he's a future star. This year they can pick swap with the Lakers, but they are both in about the same spot draft wise, so again zero value there. That leaves 1 pick left in this package, an unprotected 2024 pick that can be deferred to 2025, I'd say the chances are that it's a mid 1st rounder again and no guarantee of anything of significance.
No qustion NOLA has screwed up a lot of that.
2019 #4, drafted DeAndre Hunter over Darius Garland, got #17 and #8, plus a future first that didn't convey, but turned into the second they used on Herbert Jones, who is a decent player and starter for them. #17 (NAW) and Josh Hart were flipped for CJ McCollum
Brandon Ingram is a stud.
Josh Hart and #4 was flipped for Jaxson Hayes, Herbert Jones, and CJ McCollum and possibly another pick. (Hayes was a bust and could have been someone like Camron Johnson, Keldon, or Luka Saminic.)
Dyson Daniels (#8 last year) - Dyson is still just 20 and a rookie, but you are right, he doesn't seem great so far. Several guys taken after him look better, but he is still 20 and foreign.
Not the haul of the Celtics, but not that bad. Would be a lot better if they didnt' squander it, but if we had traded Kawhi for Brandon Ingram, Herbert Jones, CJ McCollum, 2019 #8, and 2022 #8, I think we would have been thrilled.
Look at OKC for Paul George:
SGA
Danilo (traded for seconds)
2021 1st (#18 - Tre Mann - so far, ok)
2022 1st (#12 - Jalen Williams - looks like a great pick)
Two more swaps, 3 more first round picks
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TLDR version, the Spurs have 6 draft picks that belong to other teams, they should listen on all of those for the right player.
100%. The problem is finding the unhappy star that can't wait to play with Sochan and Vassell. PG13 wanted to play with Kawhi. AD wanted to play with Caruso. Harden wanted to play with Durant. Durant wanted to go get hurt somewhere else.
