***Official 2024 - 2025 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread***

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Hopefully not bad?
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Who knows if that means until after the all star break or until Monday lol.
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So they CAN be undone..
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**** the Lakers. I hate this got rescinded, because I think it was an awful trade for the Lakers.

But now their center rotation is Jaxson Hayes and Christian Wood.
Trucker 96
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Yeah, it was a weird trade given Mark Williams is constantly broken.
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Trucker 96 said:

Yeah, it was a weird trade given Mark Williams is constantly broken.
And also has the 3rd worst rim defense in the league after two guards. He's a traffic cone that is partly melted in the sun.
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I really wish we'd have gotten knecht in that trade as well
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zgolfz85 said:

I really wish we'd have gotten knecht in that trade as well


It wouldn't have made any sense from a roster construction standpoint. His defense is terrible.

Not getting as many picks and swaps as possible was the real issue.
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shack009 said:

zgolfz85 said:

I really wish we'd have gotten knecht in that trade as well


It wouldn't have made any sense from a roster construction standpoint. His defense is terrible.

Not getting as many picks and swaps as possible was the real issue.


For a trade asset as well, not just on court
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shack009 said:

zgolfz85 said:

I really wish we'd have gotten knecht in that trade as well


It wouldn't have made any sense from a roster construction standpoint. His defense is terrible.

Not getting as many picks and swaps as possible was the real issue.
It needed to be AD, Christie, Reaves, and 2 unprotected firsts.

Reaves is an awful defender, but he could be a really good 6th Man or secondary ball handler

Lively/Gafford
AD/Naji
PJ/Christie
Klay/Dinwiddie/Hardy
Kyrie/Reaves/Exum

That's a pretty excellent rotation
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Wouldn't the Mavs have had to put more salary in the trade if Reaves was also in it? That would mean either Klay, Gafford, or PJ also in the deal.
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Knecht is way easier, but I think the math would have worked to do Luka, Morris, Powell, Exum, and Maxi for AD, Reaves, Christie. I can't check it with the simulators. But it would be close.

Knecht was way easier since he was a small salary.
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Wonder if Powell + Hardy plus waiving Bronny on LA's end gets it done.

Mavs brought in 50.3m and sent out 54m in the initial trade. Would be 60m out and 62.9m in with that trade.

Prosper instead of Hardy gets you to 60.8m instead of 60m.

EDIT: Forgot Morris was in the trade. So that bumps Luka + Kleber + Morris + Hardy + Powell to 63.3m out, 62.9m in. Lakers would have to resolve roster spot issue I believe.
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Lots of speculation that Kidd was a lot more aware and approving of the trade than was let on.

Nico talked a lot about defense after the trade. Hardy has played 0 minutes since the trade. The only guys playing are guys who the staff trusts defensively. Even the Grimes trade is something, because he could go rogue sometimes.

The team is going for a clear identity and it's what we saw in the first half of today's game.
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shack009 said:

Lots of speculation that Kidd was a lot more aware and approving of the trade than was let on.



I ****ing told y'all that from day one. Of course he knew. But Nico was taking the heat as he should.
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The above doesn't matter. You don't trade Luka. Not for Giannis or SGA or Morant.

This trade will have to result in 2 titles before AD retires before it can even be considered a wash, because Luka likely wins at least 1 title.

It would be best for everyone if Nico resigns at the end of the season.
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South Platte said:

The above doesn't matter. You don't trade Luka. Not for Giannis or SGA or Morant.

This trade will have to result in 2 titles before AD retires before it can even be considered a wash, because Luka likely wins at least 1 title.

It would be best for everyone if Nico resigns at the end of the season.


The only way this trade isn't a complete failure is if Nico is right about Luka. That he's about to essentially become Joel Embiid and the Mavs got ahead of a super max trap. Even if AD and the Mavs win a title or 2, this trade only counts as a victory if Luka is severely diminished the rest of his career.

It's a stupid bet and one that will almost assuredly backfire, but that's the bet.
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I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment, but I do think it's hilarious that he included Shaq on that list of maniacal hard workers. If anything, Shaq was the poster child for "let him do whatever he wants as long as he shows up for games because he's a generational talent."
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J.P. 03 said:

I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment, but I do think it's hilarious that he included Shaq on that list of maniacal hard workers. If anything, Shaq was the poster child for "let him do whatever he wants as long as he shows up for games because he's a generational talent."
That stood out to me as well. Shaq came into the regular season in great shape his rookie year and then in 2000 after getting swept by Duncan and Robinson the year before.

Shaq and Kobe's big beef was that Shaq thought the off-season was his and he was paid for the season, so he used the regular season to get in shape for the playoffs. He never even put in the effort to learn to shoot FTs.

But hey, Shaq did put in the effort for the 2000 season.
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I don't think it's a stupid bet. It's not more likely than the alternative, but it's probably in the 25-33% range.

The fact that he's already had these soft tissue injuries this season along with looking like a bum (relatively, obviously) for a lot of the games… He got a freaking injury in a pickup game before training camp… Just saying there is evidence for the position. Not completely unfounded.
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Yikes
Trucker 96
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Not yikes. The AI Nico Bin Laden pics on X are actually one of the few things to make me laugh about this mess
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J.P. 03 said:

I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment, but I do think it's hilarious that he included Shaq on that list of maniacal hard workers. If anything, Shaq was the poster child for "let him do whatever he wants as long as he shows up for games because he's a generational talent."
The only person on that list that qualifies as maniacal hard worker that doesn't also have a narrative around them as a guy that thoroughly enjoyed his non-work time is Kobe.

Jordan: gambler, smoked cigars, drank, played lots of golf.

Larry Bird was basically an alcoholic.

Shaq was routinely out of shape and when confronted he basically said out of shape I'm the best center in the league, I play myself into shape and when I get there I'm unstoppable.

What really aligns those guys is that they walked on the floor, knew they were the best guy out there, told people they were the best guy out there, and then proved it. That's Luka. Not sure there's another guy in the league right now that does that, and usually there's only one or two of them in the league at any one time.



Guitarsoup
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If you don't think that Jordan and Bird worked hard to be in shape and develop skills you don't know ball.
Trucker 96
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How about Jokic? Always gets questions about his condition. 4 straight years of being MVP or NBA champion. Since joining the NBA, he's played 722 games vs 580 from Anthony Davis in the same timeframe (2015-now). Does Fat Brian Regan wanna tell us he would have rather had Davis over Jokic?
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I cringe every time Dumont opens his mouth. He also had a quote about being in Boston when they won the finals last year and how he hated that feeling, with the confetti coming down on him, blah blah blah.

He had been the owner for like a month at that time. No one wants to hear it dude.
Trucker 96
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Reality is that Luka will win multiple titles in the next decade while the Mavs won't win dick. They are going to spend the next 2 seasons struggling to keep all these old guys on the court, then will sink into lottery hell for an indefinite period of time. Fat Brian Regan doesn't know the first thing about NBA championship mindset. He barely knows the game at all
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That is the dumbest ownership quote maybe ever. Is bro even a basketball fan? Tell me you know nothing about the names you just referenced….
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Guitarsoup said:

If you don't think that Jordan and Bird worked hard to be in shape and develop skills you don't know ball.
The quote is that they were singularly focused on working hard, not that they merely worked hard. Are you under the impression that a guy that made All-NBA 5 times doesn't work hard? Just rolls out of bed and is one of the top 3 players in the league between drinking beer?
mavsfan4ever
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Did Jordan work hard? Yes.

Jordan would literally play golf, gamble and drink before games. He's the opposite of what dumbass Dumont is talking about.
Trucker 96
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Nothing says "dedicated to being a champion" like trading a generational talent for a guy that has played 50-60 fewer games in the same career timeframe because he can't stay on the court.
 
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