***** 2025-2026 San Antonio Spurs Thread *****

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Wemby is now one flagrant away from an automatic suspension. I can hardly watch the games now due to how he is being officiated. Every single one of his flagrant fouls is a result of him being held, tackled, etc. and he is just trying to free himself from the holds. People say this is physical like the 80s...I don't remember being able to hold arms / jerseys with your closed hand. I remember hand checks and pushing with your body, but not this handsy grabbing stuff. Hell, he was form tackled the other night with no flagrant.

The Spurs need to have discussions with the league about moving forward and protecting him. Part of me says wait for the perfect moment when he is getting mauled and get that flagrant and make the league suspend him. Then make that the storyline and take all the videos surrounding all of his flagrants and that's the opening video montage with your meeting with the league. They have to do something to change this - I believe there are multiple future championships on the line. We are down 3-1 - maybe go ahead and make that play for next year. I dunno - very frustrated watching it.

This is exactly my issue. I love physical play, body checking guys crossing the lane, etc. But all of this handsy grabbing stuff is just crazy to me - it happens on EVERY SINGLE PLAY.

Every replay is the ballhandler pushing off the defender, then the defender's arm getting pinned by the offensive player because he's trying to get a hand on the ball handler, someone grabbing a handful of jersey on a screen, and people fighting for rebounding position by grabbing wrists and shoulders.

It's everywhere, and it's making the product absolutely awful to watch.
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Exactly, even the elbow to Naz Reid, I don't think he was trying to hit him in head/neck, but just to hit him in midsection/arm, but Wembys height makes any elbow movement connect above the shoulders into head/neck area
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Another pretty annoying aspect with the last play, why is Fox in on a defensive situation in the first place. Why not get a bigger and better defender in the game
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chtow said:

Another pretty annoying aspect with the last play, why is Fox in on a defensive situation in the first place. Why not get a bigger and better defender in the game



Believe it or not, Fox has actually been elite in this series Defensively.

They have hunted Julian the whole series and Julian's been awful.

So who do you put in instead? Carter Bryant? Harrison Barnes? Luke?

I think you can make the argument that you put Luke on the inbounder to make the pass harder just like they did with Kat on Harper. But OG is going to rush right past. Luke for the offensive rebound anyway. At least Luke would probably be able to chip OG to make it harder

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I would jump in there and try to add Keldin+20 and seconds for Naz.
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Mannix saidv today the Spurs tried to review the out if bounds missed call on Castle the refs didn't give us the timeline
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We waited too long. We never asked...they weren't ready and chose not to challenge quick enough.
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CC09LawAg said:

Guitarsoup said:



I get how they can miss that Caruso or Brunson came down before passing but getting this wrong is incomprehensible

Yep. He didn't look out to me in real time and I don't recall them showing any replays at all.

Total BS.

Who was the guy at the end pretending to be a ref calling him out as well?
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pkag02 said:

CC09LawAg said:

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I get how they can miss that Caruso or Brunson came down before passing but getting this wrong is incomprehensible

Yep. He didn't look out to me in real time and I don't recall them showing any replays at all.

Total BS.

Who was the guy at the end pretending to be a ref calling him out as well?


That's John Starks
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F him too
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Twice an Aggie said:

We waited too long. We never asked...they weren't ready and chose not to challenge quick enough.


They're not going to burn their last time out with a minute left in the game without knowing for sure they're winning that challenge.

The Knicks rushed the inbound cuz they knew we weren't out of bounds. If you go back to the telecast, which I did earlier, the Knicks inbounded before the telecast even finished showing the replay.

Same thing as football. When you think the officials made a call you rush to get the next snap in.
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This is like a different sport...without all the holding. Way better to watch.

I'll never forget Avery's shot at 0:47 in the 4th.
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I don't disagree. Was just answering what I saw. Spurs were looking but couldn't make up their mind quick enough. Not easy to pull the trigger at that point in the limited time.
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It's Biyombo time!

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Quote:

"People have their opinions. I don't care," Johnson said. "I care what the people that matter in our building and in our organization, in that locker room, that they know how I feel. I hear them, how they feel. De'Aaron Fox will have the basketball in his hands at the end of the game tomorrow, and I have the utmost confidence he's going to deliver like he's done countless times for us."

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Too bad he didn't remember not to contest a layup when you have a 3 point lead with a few seconds left in the game.
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We lost a 29 point lead in a half.

There are lots of "this and that's", including Fox in the end but this was in coaching.

Don't stop the bleeding, get the team right, make good adjustments.
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What's really, really bad and basically means the series is over - Wemby gets another Technical and it's goodnight.

EDIT : I MEANT FLAGRANT, my bad.
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satexas said:

What's really, really bad and basically means the series is over - Wemby gets another Technical and it's goodnight.


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Guitarsoup said:

satexas said:

What's really, really bad and basically means the series is over - Wemby gets another Technical and it's goodnight.





Why? It wouldn't go into effect till next season or something?
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satexas said:

Guitarsoup said:

satexas said:

What's really, really bad and basically means the series is over - Wemby gets another Technical and it's goodnight.





Why? It wouldn't go into effect till next season or something?

You need 16 technicals to be suspended.
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Guitarsoup said:


You need 16 technicals to be suspended.


I guess I'm just confused. I watched the game on a plane on the way back from Seattle on an Alaska trip and could've swore they said when he got his technical if he got one more, he would be suspended a game.

It was literally after that technical that everything went south as the team started playing more timid, Wemby included.

I'll also admit to hardly reading or watching any media about the game because I still can't do it yet.
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If he gets a flagrant, he can be suspended for a game unless they rescind it.

I don't think the league wants to suspend a superstar for any Finals game unless it was ridiculously egregious (Draymond) or they have a long history (Draymond).
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Guitarsoup said:

If he gets a flagrant, he can be suspended for a game unless they rescind it.

I don't think the league wants to suspend a superstar for any Finals game unless it was ridiculously egregious (Draymond) or they have a long history (Draymond).


Ok, I see now - I was right in my thinking. I meant flagrant and said just "technical".

I know you don't think they'll easily call a flagrant when deserved but I think they will, and not for bias reasons.

I wish you would have just said "I think you mean flagrant" LOL.

Thanks.
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satexas said:

Guitarsoup said:

If he gets a flagrant, he can be suspended for a game unless they rescind it.

I don't think the league wants to suspend a superstar for any Finals game unless it was ridiculously egregious (Draymond) or they have a long history (Draymond).


Ok, I see now - I was right in my thinking. I meant flagrant and said just "technical".

I know you don't think they'll easily call a flagrant when deserved but I think they will, and not for bias reasons.

I don't think anyone in the NBA including the refs want Wemby suspended. Especially on something that is ridiculous like the one in the last game where it was clearly incidental.

It was also interesting to me that the NBA said that OG Anunoby dislodged the ball, but when they posted video, they did not post video of it being dislodged. I would assume they have better angles and video of it, but not a single video showing the ball dislodged before OG hits Fox's arm has been produced.

Just because he did touch the ball, doesn't mean it is a block. He has to touch the ball dislodging it from Fox's hand before making contact with Fox's arm. I don't think that happened. I think Fox still has possession when his arm is contacted. That would make it a foul, even though OG did graze the ball.



But the NBA doesn't want to say that because admitting they blew that call AFTER admitting they blew the Castle OOB call two possessions earlier has such a dirty cloud over it that the NBA unfairly tainted the series (even though we should have taken care of business anyway.)

If the NBA admitted that they screwed up the Castle OOB call with 1min left and that Castle should have had two FTs because it was a blocking foul (this is what their report did say) and then admitted that OG fouled Fox with 11s left and it should have been two FTs in a game decided by 1 point, the blow back right now would be insane.

Similarly, if Wemby gets a VERY borderline flagrant call and they suspend him fro game 6 after the Spurs win game 5, the blowback would be insane. Big market vs small market. Knicks fans killing Spurs fans in the streets. Looks real bad. I don't think it happens and I think that is why Wemby's push on Brunson didn't get upgraded (I thought it should have been.)
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Also something Mitch could have challenged
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Thunderstruck xx said:

Also something Mitch could have challenged

Mitch couldn't have challenged the OG foul.

He tried to challenge the Castle out of bounds.
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Why and why?

Sorry I'm still pissed about game 4
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No call was made on the OG foul. It can't be challenged. You can challenge fouls made on your team, you can challenge out of bounds, you can challenge goaltends.

Coaches cannot challenge things that were not called. They cannot challenge traveling, techs, flagrants, carrying, double dribble, or three second violations.

Mark Cuban actually posted today that the refs should switch to a default of calling the foul so the teams could challenge it rather than not calling the foul, which is their current default, because the Spurs can't challenge a non-call.

In the last two minutes, officials can choose to review the out of bounds play (and they should have.) The Knicks rushed to inbound the ball, knowing Castle wasn't out of bounds. The Spurs weren't going to burn their last timeout with a minute left without knowing they would win the challenge, but the refs let the Knicks inbound it before the Spurs could call the time out and challenge it EVEN THOUGH the refs could and should have reviewed it themselves as the rules allow.
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Alright fellas, in what new cruel way will we have our hearts ripped out tonight.

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Any truth to this???

No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
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