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AggieEP said:

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Defend Mitch if you want but that's the worst coached finals of all time. Not the worst coached series even of this month, but the worst coached finals of all time.


You do know he gets credit for coaching us into the lead in every 4th quarter as well?

Mitch has some growing up to do as a coach if he's going to be a long term answer, but it's pretty silly to exaggerate quite this much. We watched Fox shoot 3 for 15 and Castle go 1 for 10. The stage was too big for most of our guys. They shrink in the 4th quarter and couldn't match the intensity they started each game with. Yeah sure the coach can impact some of this, but you count on players to make the plays they are paid to make. Even Wemby has to figure out what he is offensively. He's clearly not the kind of player you can just give the ball to and say "score." Brunson is and that was really the main difference down the stretch of these games.
Fox 3 for 15 is on Mitch homie, that's my point
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Better team won. Hopefully we're better in the long run for it.


Better 4th quarter team won. Spurs control most of the game 75% and crumble in the 4th

By definition, that means the Knicks are the better team. The games last 4 quarters, not 3.



There is a difference between clutch and better. LeBron is not clutch by most people's standards and yet is one of the best players of all time.
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I can't imagine running this team back. I think everyone was right, this team was way better than the knicks, but no one could predict just how pathetically bad the spurs would choke and how bad Mitch could be.

Fox has to go. A worse disappearance than Harden or KAT.

Wemby won't be great until he admits he isnt a point guard/3pt shooter or gets a coach that can get him to play to his natural advantages. Hell, we had trouble getting the ball to the tallest player in the world down low.

I can't imagine a single example of a more lopsided coaching and clutchness in the history of sports than this finals series.

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Looked at the box score. Crazy how even all of the big stats were.

The difference: 20 made FTs to 12.

What's weird is the foul totals were 22-21 Spurs.

I'm guessing more shooting fouls by the Spurs (foul on Brunson on the 3, etc). Brunson - 13 of 15 from the FT line.

Honestly, Mitch had no answer on how to slow down Brunson.

They should have doubled him all night long and make someone else beat them.
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BBRex said:

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Maybe unpopular opinion but it's hard to not like Brunson. Went to our bench first before celebrating with his team. No one on the Knicks I really hate.

This was an incredible run by the spurs. Hopefully they come back next season with a lot of fire. It's going to be hard to get back here if the west is healthier. But we can do it. And hopefully we grow in between. Wemby has a lot of work to do. And so does the staff.

Nah, I'm like you. I like Brunson. Guy is a legit baller. Love Bridges and OG. KAT is fun to clown, but I've never seen anything that would make me think he's a bad dude. This Knicks team is significantly more likable than anyone from New York.


Yeah, this Knicks team is easy to like when you aren't playing them. Congratulations to them for pulling off the big one.

The worst part of them winning is that it won't just be sports shows that tell you how awesome they are. It will be on every news channel, including local channels.

And it will be non-stop for an entire year. The media LOVES NY. Just like when the Yankees win, we're given non-stop coverage and fellatio...
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

I dunno, I might bite the bullet and take Randle to get out of the Fox contract and just stash Randle on the bench. It'd at least give us legitimate size to help out Wemby, even if Randle is a losing player who gives up when he's upset. Maybe even try to flip him.

That's absolutely franchise seppuku. It is an emotional reaction, not a logical one.

If there is a good value for Fox where we can upgrade our PFs, then yeah we absolutely do it. But dumping him for a low IQ guy like Randle ain't it.

If we did find a move, maybe we are able to get Christian Anderson at 20 to be Harper's backup.
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Red Red Wine said:

Looked at the box score. Crazy how even all of the big stats were.

The difference: 20 made FTs to 12.

What's weird is the foul totals were 22-21 Spurs.

I'm guessing more shooting fouls by the Spurs (foul on Brunson on the 3, etc). Brunson - 13 of 15 from the FT line.

Honestly, Mitch had no answer on how to slow down Brunson.

They should have doubled him all night long and make someone else beat them.


Brunson had like fouls on like 3, three point attempts or something like that insane
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Wemby shot over 6 3s per game. That should get you sent to prison both as a player and a coach. Hard time. 5-7 years minimum
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BBRex said:

Guitarsoup said:

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Maybe unpopular opinion but it's hard to not like Brunson. Went to our bench first before celebrating with his team. No one on the Knicks I really hate.

This was an incredible run by the spurs. Hopefully they come back next season with a lot of fire. It's going to be hard to get back here if the west is healthier. But we can do it. And hopefully we grow in between. Wemby has a lot of work to do. And so does the staff.

Nah, I'm like you. I like Brunson. Guy is a legit baller. Love Bridges and OG. KAT is fun to clown, but I've never seen anything that would make me think he's a bad dude. This Knicks team is significantly more likable than anyone from New York.


Yeah, this Knicks team is easy to like when you aren't playing them. Congratulations to them for pulling off the big one.

I'll just say, I don't care for Brunson. Might not be a popular choice. But his constant flopping and daddy running on to the bench to "protect" him make him unlikeable. Plus I hate the constant foul calls on defensive players when he gets away with all kinds of grabs. (1 foul in game 5? Yeah right.)
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How is Naz Reid not a PF upgrade? Naz Reid + Julius Randle makes the trade work. Unlikely Minnesota agrees to that without picks attached, but I would absolutely make that trade. Fox will continue to lose value as he gets older. He is quite clearly declining. His highest value despite his playoff performance is right now. It will be worse next year as he loses minutes to Harper.

Julius Randle is on a deal that is 2 years shorter than Fox. What is seppuku for our franchise is letting a guy take up $50mil+ of our salary cap for the next 4 years with his kind of production.
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tmaggie50 said:

Wemby shot over 6 3s per game. That should get you sent to prison both as a player and a coach. Hard time. 5-7 years minimum

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Not sure I get what you're trying to argue here. With Fox out in the OKC series Castle turned the ball over 10 times per game. We have to play Fox, and I'm positive the game plan didn't include Fox taking 8 three pointers and 4-5 tough long middies. Fox knows that's not his strong suit and yet he kept firing away. My guess is Fox was still running full tilt from game 4 and wanted to come up big to change the narrative around how that game ended for him.

Yeah Mitch can just pull him, but Castle was way off today also. Not sure what coaching adjustment you're looking for from Mitch here. Forbid Fox from shooting? Play Harper all 48? Fox is an NBA vet that should know when he's off and how to still impact winning when he can't hit anything. This isn't middle school basketball where the coach tells a kid he can't shoot anymore.
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UAS Ag said:

BBRex said:

Guitarsoup said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Maybe unpopular opinion but it's hard to not like Brunson. Went to our bench first before celebrating with his team. No one on the Knicks I really hate.

This was an incredible run by the spurs. Hopefully they come back next season with a lot of fire. It's going to be hard to get back here if the west is healthier. But we can do it. And hopefully we grow in between. Wemby has a lot of work to do. And so does the staff.

Nah, I'm like you. I like Brunson. Guy is a legit baller. Love Bridges and OG. KAT is fun to clown, but I've never seen anything that would make me think he's a bad dude. This Knicks team is significantly more likable than anyone from New York.


Yeah, this Knicks team is easy to like when you aren't playing them. Congratulations to them for pulling off the big one.

The worst part of them winning is that it won't just be sports shows that tell you how awesome they are. It will be on every news channel, including local channels.

And it will be non-stop for an entire year. The media LOVES NY. Just like when the Yankees win, we're given non-stop coverage and fellatio...

The Spurs have won lots of trophies in the last two decades.

Only people who remember gas lines of the early 70's remember when the Knicks last won a trophy. It is because a major organization and home court (MSG) has not seen victory since Nixon was still relevant.

It will be thorough coverage because it is the anomoly. Spurs are the constant. Be grateful for your recent history. Knicks fans before tonight are embarrassed by their history, recent and distant. Knicks fans, due to the suffering of over 5 decades, are obnoxious and insane (most NY'ers are, I know, I live up here.) Give them their due, let them wreck NYC more than it already is. They are not affecting you.

Relax, breathe.
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

How is Naz Reid not a PF upgrade? Naz Reid + Julius Randle makes the trade work. Unlikely Minnesota agrees to that without picks attached, but I would absolutely make that trade. Fox will continue to lose value as he gets older. He is quite clearly declining. His highest value despite his playoff performance is right now. It will be worse next year as he loses minutes to Harper.

Julius Randle is on a deal that is 2 years shorter than Fox. What is seppuku for our franchise is letting a guy take up $50mil+ of our salary cap with his kind of production.

Making the emotional decision to sell low is almost always an awful decision.

I would love Naz on this team, but Minn doesn't want to dump him. They want to dump DDV and Randle. I would straight up rather have Fox than Randle, even though Randle is a better positional fit. Randle tunnel visions and gets shut down, has an awful shot selection and is awful on defense. He represents a ton of what we just dont want on the court. We need to keep the ball in Harper and Wemby's hands.

Fox will gain value when there are fewer years in his contract. He is still just 28yo. In two summers he will be just 30 and have two years left. If he plays more like he played in the regular season or before he sprained his ankle in the playoffs, his value will come back and we will easily move him for depth.

But taking on players that are the antithesis of our team just because we are mad that Fox was gambling on the Knicks isn't going to make our team better.
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Can you say "untradeable?"

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AggieEP said:

Not sure I get what you're trying to argue here. With Fox out in the OKC series Castle turned the ball over 10 times per game. We have to play Fox, and I'm positive the game plan didn't include Fox taking 8 three pointers and 4-5 tough long middies. Fox knows that's not his strong suit and yet he kept firing away. My guess is Fox was still running full tilt from game 4 and wanted to come up big to change the narrative around how that game ended for him.

Yeah Mitch can just pull him, but Castle was way off today also. Not sure what coaching adjustment you're looking for from Mitch here. Forbid Fox from shooting? Play Harper all 48? Fox is an NBA vet that should know when he's off and how to still impact winning when he can't hit anything. This isn't middle school basketball where the coach tells a kid he can't shoot anymore.
Castle got fouled on nearly every attempt. Go look at the minutes, Mitch rolled a 3 guard lineup and did everything he could to keep a shellshocked Fox on the floor when he should have been benched for good after 0/3 and a TO a few minutes in.
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Everything in your first paragraph is the whole point of having a coach. Fox shot 9 and 8 3s in the final 2 games. Collectively he shot 25% from 3 this series.

If it isn't part of the game plan, someone should have told little Mitch that
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Great season.

Good night fellas.

The future is bright.
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You're arguing a point I'm not making. I'm talking about Naz Reid and Randle as filler, I'm not sure how that wasn't clear. Of course I'd say no without Naz Reid. There is no doubt the Spurs are going inquire about Naz Reid. Again, likely Minn says no, but if they ask for 2 firsts and a Randle dump, you telling me you are saying no?

That all being said, Fox has likely completely tanked his value to the point where we are not going to be able to get off this contract. League expansion by 2028 is not guaranteed, and outside of news that it's become official, we need to get off the Fox contract ASAP. There is no "selling high" with him. We'll be lucky to trade him for expiring contracts in the next few years if we wait for his value to continue to crater.
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Dumb tweet, his contract doesn't really matter for 2 more years. And even then it only hypothetically matters assuming that Castle earns a max extension which is not a guarantee. Our books are really clean right now and his contract doesn't force our hands yet in terms of player retention and acquisition.

In the worst of worst case scenarios we could always waive and stretch if we found ourselves struggling to keep Wemby, Harper and Castle together because of Fox's contract.
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Fire klutch sports into the sun. Fox. Mitch. Beta *****es.
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I absolutely say no to giving up multiple firsts for Randle just to get off Fox's contract.

But after this finals performance, and taking his salary into account, we would need to jeopardize the future to move him. I'd rather just move Fox into a 6th man/ change of pace off the bench guy than dump 1st round picks.
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Some thoughts as I try to detach from the heartbreak:

1) This team doesn't need drastic changes, I think the fire Mitch and trade Fox crowd are being too emotional. Both of those guys were huge reasons why we made it this far in the first place. Every one of our core guys, and our very young coach, are going to benefit from this experience. We are all upset but we are 2 classic young team mistakes from this series being 3-2 San Antonio right now.

2) I don't like watching Brunson play because of the foul-seeking, but guy is a monster. We threw every defender on our roster at him at some point and he just got better as the series progressed. Our guys didn't. I don't dislike anyone on that Knicks team really other than KAT's softness rubbing me the wrong way. OG was incredible. NYK fans suck but that team and coach are class acts.

3) Where we do need some changes is depth in the frontcourt. God bless Luke Kornet but he can't be our only semi-playable player that's taller than 6'6 outside of Wemby. Keldon Johnson laying a playoff-long turd, Barnes falling off a cliff mid-season, and Bryant simply not being ready yet, left us with 1.5 reliable bench players. We really should have at least 3 bench guys we feel okay throwing out in a finals setting, and I look forward to seeing how we find the pieces there. All of our former title teams (other than 99 when we had 2 dominant superstars) had some combination of Manu plus dudes like Barry, Horry, Rose, Diaw, Patty, etc. Reserving our third string for entirely vets who never had a prayer at playing meaningful minutes was a mistake I hope we rectify this offseason.

4) I can't help but be thrilled by the year we had. Before the season started, Wembanyama himself stated a successful year for us would be getting the 6-seed. A lot of us would have seen the play-in as a success. Instead we are all bummed because our young team with the same average age as the NCAA championship team made some boneheaded mistakes that sent us home in the NBA Finals after a 62-win year.

5) This team has the runway to grow. Our most talented players are 22, 21, and 20, respectively. We are under very little financial pressure for the following 2 years. It's not often you get a team of players that are this talented this young, and we should be able to keep the infrastructure in place around them until they grow into their consistency. We are a spoiled and fortunate fan base.

6) I think the biggest hurdles for Wemby are all physical, and I have a lot of confidence he will come back stronger next postseason. The floating out to the 3 line and settling for jumpers issues we saw this series? That's a byproduct of his conditioning and strength not being up to par, and he's got a psychopathic work ethic to improve.
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Again, are you saying Naz Reid is not worth 2 firsts and getting off the Fox contract? It's like no one is reading what I am writing. I get if you disagree and think it's just an emotional response, but at least argue the point I'm making.
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tmaggie50 said:

I can't imagine running this team back. I think everyone was right, this team was way better than the knicks, but no one could predict just how pathetically bad the spurs would choke and how bad Mitch could be.

Fox has to go. A worse disappearance than Harden or KAT.

Wemby won't be great until he admits he isnt a point guard/3pt shooter or gets a coach that can get him to play to his natural advantages. Hell, we had trouble getting the ball to the tallest player in the world down low.

I can't imagine a single example of a more lopsided coaching and clutchness in the history of sports than this finals series.



Did you watch this series?

No, the Spurs were not better. We lost 4-1. They beat us on our court tonight.

Brunson scored 45. Stop Brunson in the 4th and we have a chance. Neither Mitch or the players coukd find a way to do that.

You just cant say the Spurs are the better team because very obviously they are not.

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Phil Rirruto said:

AggieEP said:

Not sure I get what you're trying to argue here. With Fox out in the OKC series Castle turned the ball over 10 times per game. We have to play Fox, and I'm positive the game plan didn't include Fox taking 8 three pointers and 4-5 tough long middies. Fox knows that's not his strong suit and yet he kept firing away. My guess is Fox was still running full tilt from game 4 and wanted to come up big to change the narrative around how that game ended for him.

Yeah Mitch can just pull him, but Castle was way off today also. Not sure what coaching adjustment you're looking for from Mitch here. Forbid Fox from shooting? Play Harper all 48? Fox is an NBA vet that should know when he's off and how to still impact winning when he can't hit anything. This isn't middle school basketball where the coach tells a kid he can't shoot anymore.

Castle got fouled on nearly every attempt. Go look at the minutes, Mitch rolled a 3 guard lineup and did everything he could to keep a shellshocked Fox on the floor when he should have been benched for good after 0/3 and a TO a few minutes in.

Castle was done dirty by the officials pretty much the whole postseason. That didn't help matters at all.
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

You're arguing a point I'm not making. I'm talking about Naz Reid and Randle as filler, I'm not sure how that wasn't clear. Of course I'd say no without Naz Reid. There is no doubt the Spurs are going inquire about Naz Reid. Again, likely Minn says no, but if they ask for 2 firsts and a Randle dump, you telling me you are saying no?

That all being said, Fox has likely completely tanked his value to the point where we are not going to be able to get off this contract. League expansion by 2028 is not guaranteed, and outside of news that it's become official, we need to get off the Fox contract ASAP. There is no "selling high" with him. We'll be lucky to trade him for expiring contracts in the next few years if we wait for his value to continue to crater.

There is no impetus for us to get off the Fox contract. We have two years of absolutely clean sheets as long as we don't do something stupid like give Julian $20M.

The Wolves simply aren't going to do Randle+Naz to get back a PG. They still need a PF and 6'9 185lb McDaniels isn't it.

If we can get Naz some how, sure. But they don't have good salaries to match anyway. And they want to keep Naz.

I don't think NBA GMs think of player values as tanked as fans to so emotionally and reactionary. Fox was playing the last few weeks on a sprained ankle and probably the last two games with a pulled brain.

Additionally, the Spurs just aren't going to dump him off because of a few bad games. The Spurs are going to be prudent and measured. And having three high level guards is something that has absolutely hurt other teams throughout the season AND it helps our guards reduce wear and tear by having to shoulder less of a load for the entire 100+ games of the season and playoffs.

Even with all the dog**** plays by Fox, we still win this if we have a decent PF that can handle the rebounding and spell Wemby from grinding with KAT and Robinson. That unquestionably wore him down, especially after 13 tough, physical games against Minn and OKC.

I think there are moves that would be logical to make, but involving Randle wouldn't be one of them. And Minn would never agree to it anyway, so it is a non-starter. They aren't going to want to go from a big physical team to having Gobert and then a 185lb PF ANT, Fox and Ayo while giving the big physical guys to the team that knocked them out of the playoffs.
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

Again, are you saying Naz Reid is not worth 2 firsts and getting off the Fox contract? It's like no one is reading what I am writing. I get if you disagree and think it's just an emotional response, but at least argue the point I'm making.

Yes, that is what I am saying. We just disagree on the value of these assets.
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tmaggie50 said:

I can't imagine running this team back. I think everyone was right, this team was way better than the knicks, but no one could predict just how pathetically bad the spurs would choke and how bad Mitch could be.

Fox has to go. A worse disappearance than Harden or KAT.

Wemby won't be great until he admits he isnt a point guard/3pt shooter or gets a coach that can get him to play to his natural advantages. Hell, we had trouble getting the ball to the tallest player in the world down low.

I can't imagine a single example of a more lopsided coaching and clutchness in the history of sports than this finals series.



Did you watch this series?

No, the Spurs were not better. We lost 4-1. They beat us on our court tonight.

Brunson scored 45. Stop Brunson in the 4th and we have a chance. Neither Mitch or the players coukd find a way to do that.

You just cant say the Spurs are the better team because very obviously they are not.




I did. The spurs had double digit leads in every game and easily led for the majority of the series.

Google AI tells me they led for 70% of the first 4 games. I think game 5 was at least 70%. I think we lost the lead for the first time since the initial 2-3 minutes of the game with only 3-4 minutes left tonight
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Almost the worst part of this is not getting to see Stephen A ***** and moan about Wemby not getting suspended for the landing space violation
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tmaggie50 said:

Southlake said:

tmaggie50 said:

I can't imagine running this team back. I think everyone was right, this team was way better than the knicks, but no one could predict just how pathetically bad the spurs would choke and how bad Mitch could be.

Fox has to go. A worse disappearance than Harden or KAT.

Wemby won't be great until he admits he isnt a point guard/3pt shooter or gets a coach that can get him to play to his natural advantages. Hell, we had trouble getting the ball to the tallest player in the world down low.

I can't imagine a single example of a more lopsided coaching and clutchness in the history of sports than this finals series.



Did you watch this series?

No, the Spurs were not better. We lost 4-1. They beat us on our court tonight.

Brunson scored 45. Stop Brunson in the 4th and we have a chance. Neither Mitch or the players coukd find a way to do that.

You just cant say the Spurs are the better team because very obviously they are not.




I did. The spurs had double digit leads in every game and easily led for the majority of the series.

Google AI tells me they led for 70% of the first 4 games. I think game 5 was at least 70%. I think we lost the lead for the first time since the initial 2-3 minutes of the game with only 3-4 minutes left tonight

I get it, but at some point, scoreboard don't lie.
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It was a fix. That's why I didn't watch
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I disagree about the no impetus to trade Fox. His salary eventually needs to get off the books even if it's two years from now. Sure, it doesn't technically need to happen this year, but there is a high probability that a guard known for his athleticism, already showing decline in his game at 28 years old is unlikely to retain much value the longer you hold onto him. How exactly do you think we come off that contract outside of league expansion in two years when he is 30 years old, coming off the bench costing 60 million for the next two years?

Obviously Naz Reid trade is a long shot, I don't disagree there,
but how much are you willing to give up or take on if we could get him in a trade? Is there anyone else that we might be interested in trading him for? Because the longer we wait, the harder it is going to be to move him when we need to, and we are potentially going to be **** out of luck if our plan is praying for an expansion draft.
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tmaggie50 said:

Southlake said:

tmaggie50 said:

I can't imagine running this team back. I think everyone was right, this team was way better than the knicks, but no one could predict just how pathetically bad the spurs would choke and how bad Mitch could be.

Fox has to go. A worse disappearance than Harden or KAT.

Wemby won't be great until he admits he isnt a point guard/3pt shooter or gets a coach that can get him to play to his natural advantages. Hell, we had trouble getting the ball to the tallest player in the world down low.

I can't imagine a single example of a more lopsided coaching and clutchness in the history of sports than this finals series.



Did you watch this series?

No, the Spurs were not better. We lost 4-1. They beat us on our court tonight.

Brunson scored 45. Stop Brunson in the 4th and we have a chance. Neither Mitch or the players coukd find a way to do that.

You just cant say the Spurs are the better team because very obviously they are not.




I did. The spurs had double digit leads in every game and easily led for the majority of the series.

Google AI tells me they led for 70% of the first 4 games. I think game 5 was at least 70%. I think we lost the lead for the first time since the initial 2-3 minutes of the game with only 3-4 minutes left tonight

Absolutely correct. But these stats also show how much of a lead the Spurs blew.

Championship teams don't blow leads. Championship teams take games and close out series.

Spurs couldn't do that.

Next year, Amigo.
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