Seems to work fine for AltuveThe Porkchop Express said:Well they can all tell him what a cool guy he is when 43,000 people boo his ass 81 time a year.texasaggie2015 said:
It's all in the past. There is no tension whatsoever and some have even advocated for bringing him in
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“I feel good about our chances of signing Breggy.”
— Will Kunkel (@WillKunkelFOX) December 6, 2024
🤝Joe Espada says he will be heavily involved in recruiting Alex Bregman back to the Astros.
🏆2x World Series Champion
🏆2x All-Star
🏆All-MLB Second Team
🏆Silver Slugger Award
⚾️.272 AVG
⚾️1,132 Hits
⚾️191… pic.twitter.com/gqyFqX5WP6
Farmer1906 said:
This is why IMO you go in for 25 then a few more years after. You can survive without Framber if a combination of get good Javier back, McCullers isn't dead, Brown staying about what he was last year, Spaghetti keeps developing, and/or we add some kind SP talent via FA or trade.
We cannot replace Tucker. There just isn't a stud like him on the market unless you get Soto. But you can still add to the offense and keep it good with a combination on FA signings and trades.
Unless Dana can perform a miracle with the draft and minors, the gig is up in 2027-28ish.
On the flip side, if we really "go for it" for a couple more years, it will only deepen the hole we have to climb out of when the dark days return (and they will return--we will never be able to money whip decent teams together like NYY, NYM, LAD).
So you gotta ask yourself what the realistic chances are of making deep runs? WC or 1st Rd bounces are complete wastes of limited resources and buying potential; e.g., Kooch pitched out of his ass for us last year, but for what? He never even got to pitch in the playoffs and we gave up solid (at least tradeable) pieces for him. Hindsight is 20/20, yeah, but these types of moves will tank us deeper, quicker, longer.
With the team LA is has (been allowed to) put together, I wonder if it would be prudent to begin the rebuild now. That's what I lean towards anyway.
At home?Project Gemini said:Seems to work fine for AltuveThe Porkchop Express said:Well they can all tell him what a cool guy he is when 43,000 people boo his ass 81 time a year.texasaggie2015 said:
It's all in the past. There is no tension whatsoever and some have even advocated for bringing him in
uhhh, yay?Farmer1906 said:“I feel good about our chances of signing Breggy.”
— Will Kunkel (@WillKunkelFOX) December 6, 2024
🤝Joe Espada says he will be heavily involved in recruiting Alex Bregman back to the Astros.
🏆2x World Series Champion
🏆2x All-Star
🏆All-MLB Second Team
🏆Silver Slugger Award
⚾️.272 AVG
⚾️1,132 Hits
⚾️191… pic.twitter.com/gqyFqX5WP6
f1ghtintexasaggie said:Farmer1906 said:
This is why IMO you go in for 25 then a few more years after. You can survive without Framber if a combination of get good Javier back, McCullers isn't dead, Brown staying about what he was last year, Spaghetti keeps developing, and/or we add some kind SP talent via FA or trade.
We cannot replace Tucker. There just isn't a stud like him on the market unless you get Soto. But you can still add to the offense and keep it good with a combination on FA signings and trades.
Unless Dana can perform a miracle with the draft and minors, the gig is up in 2027-28ish.
On the flip side, if we really "go for it" for a couple more years, it will only deepen the hole we have to climb out of when the dark days return (and they will return--we will never be able to money whip decent teams together like NYY, NYM, LAD).
So you gotta ask yourself what the realistic chances are of making deep runs? WC or 1st Rd bounces are complete wastes of limited resources and buying potential; e.g., Kooch pitched out of his ass for us last year, but for what? He never even got to pitch in the playoffs and we gave up solid (at least tradeable) pieces for him. Hindsight is 20/20, yeah, but these types of moves will tank us deeper, quicker, longer.
With the team LA is has (been allowed to) put together, I wonder if it would be prudent to begin the rebuild now. That's what I lean towards anyway.
I think it's fairly realistic. Look at the rest of the AL. Who are you scared of? I think it's worth trying to win now because rebuilds don't guarantee anything. We have some great players. Crane is willing to spend now. Even a mediocre GM can make this last a little longer.
You are going to need Yordan in 2026 and beyond but I agree if you go all in in 2025 just to lose Tucker and Framber for a couple draft dart throws then at that point you might as well trade Yordan in the offseason because 2026 is when you start fighting to be a .500 team.Beat40 said:Farmer1906 said:
This is why IMO you go in for 25 then a few more years after. You can survive without Framber if a combination of get good Javier back, McCullers isn't dead, Brown staying about what he was last year, Spaghetti keeps developing, and/or we add some kind SP talent via FA or trade.
We cannot replace Tucker. There just isn't a stud like him on the market unless you get Soto. But you can still add to the offense and keep it good with a combination on FA signings and trades.
Unless Dana can perform a miracle with the draft and minors, the gig is up in 2027-28ish.
I agree with this. I'm typically a guy that wants the long-term success, but all of this talk of a soft rebuild by trading away Tucker and Framber is silly. Wasting prime Yordan for a soft rebuild is extremely silly in my book. The ONLY way it works is if the guys you get back contribute in the same year and are close in the aggregate to what we give up.
My opinion is if you're going to do a soft rebuild, you might as well just sell Yordan and a few of the young starters and start all over. The purgatory of always being an 85 win team year after year with no real shot at winning a championship is worse than 3 years of purely terrible baseball.
The Yankees, Mariners and Astros have all reportedly reached out to the Cubs with interest in trading for Cody Bellinger.#MLBNHotStove pic.twitter.com/TvHlDejPmR
— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) December 6, 2024
Catcher Danny Jansen and the Tampa Bay Rays are in agreement on a one-year, $8.5 million contract that includes a mutual option for a second season, sources tell ESPN. Jansen, who has played in Toronto and Boston, remains in the AL East. On it: @ByRobertMurray and @TBTimes_Rays.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) December 6, 2024
The #Cubs are “determined” to trade 1B/OF Cody Bellinger or OF Seiya Suzuki to reallocate salary elsewhere on their roster, per @Joelsherman1 pic.twitter.com/Zx3B6I8bqK
— MLB Deadline News (@MLBDeadlineNews) December 6, 2024
What about the other guy here?
The Yankees and/or Dodgers are mentioned as "interested" teams in every FA available.
Would much prefer Beli as he makes a lot more sense
I have been giving more thought to the Bellinger idea since itis getting so much chatter. Ignoring the cost side of things (obviously not insignificant), I am just looking at fit on roster management.
Originally, my thought was that Bellinger would replace Singleton on the roster. But given our other pieces, I wonder of the smarter move wouldn't be to play Belli in CF against RHP, with Singleton at 1B, and Belli at 1B against LHP, with Meyers/Dubon in CF. (This presuming Chas in LF).
Belli is not an extreme platoon split guy, so you could use him to balance our more extreme platoon producers lile Singleton, Meyers, and Dubon.
Originally, my thought was that Bellinger would replace Singleton on the roster. But given our other pieces, I wonder of the smarter move wouldn't be to play Belli in CF against RHP, with Singleton at 1B, and Belli at 1B against LHP, with Meyers/Dubon in CF. (This presuming Chas in LF).
Belli is not an extreme platoon split guy, so you could use him to balance our more extreme platoon producers lile Singleton, Meyers, and Dubon.
Spot on.SpaceCityAg05 said:
I have been giving more thought to the Bellinger idea since itis getting so much chatter. Ignoring the cost side of things (obviously not insignificant), I am just looking at fit on roster management.
Originally, my thought was that Bellinger would replace Singleton on the roster. But given our other pieces, I wonder of the smarter move wouldn't be to play Belli in CF against RHP, with Singleton at 1B, and Belli at 1B against LHP, with Meyers/Dubon in CF. (This presuming Chas in LF).
Belli is not an extreme platoon split guy, so you could use him to balance our more extreme platoon producers lile Singleton, Meyers, and Dubon.
I'd still get rid of Singleton to play Caratini or add another lefty who can mix in there. Move versatility the better.
I miss 2022 Javier. Please come back.
“I think everyone except the Dodgers are at $700M.” - Jon Heyman
— Darius Glover (@GloverDarius) December 6, 2024
There much be some crazy deferrals for this to be true.
Jon Heyman is a Boras mouthpiece. If you believe the rumors, Mendoza's son or someone related to him leaked on TikTok the Mets offer is 15/700...lot of speculation so who knows. The Yankees can, doubt they will, It makes no sense for Toronto (you are going to offer him that money and not consider extending the guys you have already? ...a point brought up on MLB network today), Red Sox...perhaps...
Money is no object to Steve Cohen and him and Boras have a strong relationship, so I expect the Mets get last look, and I doubt much if any is deferred. I would expect an unworldly bonus though.
Speaking of, can someone explain to me how bonuses calculate into collective bargaining penalties?
Money is no object to Steve Cohen and him and Boras have a strong relationship, so I expect the Mets get last look, and I doubt much if any is deferred. I would expect an unworldly bonus though.
Speaking of, can someone explain to me how bonuses calculate into collective bargaining penalties?
Bonuses are apart of the AAV calculation.
If Bregman gets 20 M per season over 6 with a 36 M bonus then his AAV is still 26 M.
If Bregman gets 20 M per season over 6 with a 36 M bonus then his AAV is still 26 M.
Certainly decisions like Singleton have to take into account any other additions, major or minor, but I think a player like Belli could serve to bridge platoon splits at multiple positions instead of just one position.
Shane Bieber is returning to the Guardians, in a deal negotiated by Rosenhaus Sports.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) December 6, 2024
Shane Bieber's deal with the Guardians will pay him a $10 million salary in 2025. The $16 million player option includes a $4 million buyout. If Bieber returns healthy, he will hit free agency again next winter as a 30-year-old and be in line for a significant long-term contract.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) December 6, 2024
Can we please change the name back to the Indians now?
I’m posting this on a burner account, so I do not get anyone in trouble, so if you want to take this with a grain of salt you can. I am told Juan Soto has made his decision to sign with the Mets at 15 years, $745 Million, on a creative deal. Announcement I’m told will be Sunday.
— Anthony8303049 (@anthony83089466) December 6, 2024
J.P. France is now throwing this offseason: pic.twitter.com/ULgQw3VIxM
— Ari Alexander (@AriA1exander) December 6, 2024
Regularly scheduled video of LMJ throwing
Two years ago today: pic.twitter.com/nw1XZRL3fL
— Barstool Baseball (@StoolBaseball) December 6, 2024
Never forget
EastCoastAgNc said:Two years ago today: pic.twitter.com/nw1XZRL3fL
— Barstool Baseball (@StoolBaseball) December 6, 2024
Never forget
Except it was last year
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
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Bieber turned down deals for more money elsewhere because he wanted to return to Cleveland
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) December 6, 2024
Wonder who that was after him
Tell me you're not a Boras client without telling me you're not a Boras client.
Mr.Bond said:EastCoastAgNc said:Two years ago today: pic.twitter.com/nw1XZRL3fL
— Barstool Baseball (@StoolBaseball) December 6, 2024
Never forget
Except it was last year
Last year was the Soto trade.
**** me life is flying by..... I'm gonna go lie down
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
MAGA
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I find it interesting we aren't hearing much on lower tier free agents. I would think a Walker - Kim combo makes more sense for this team as opposed to paying $150+M for Bregman. Hope this Bregman thing ends soon so we can move on.
For the $150M you would have to pay Bregman, you could have Christian Walker, Kim and Bellinger (putting aside luxury tax considerations).
For the $150M you would have to pay Bregman, you could have Christian Walker, Kim and Bellinger (putting aside luxury tax considerations).
General consensus seems to be that once soto goes, things will heat up fast.
MaxPower said:
I find it interesting we aren't hearing much on lower tier free agents. I would think a Walker - Kim combo makes more sense for this team as opposed to paying $150+M for Bregman. Hope this Bregman thing ends soon so we can move on.
For the $150M you would have to pay Bregman, you could have Christian Walker, Kim and Bellinger (putting aside luxury tax considerations).
I don't think you could get those 3 for under 150. I would guess closer to 250 than 150. Even still you'd be taking that money in a shorter amount of years. We don't see major "cap" relief until after 2025.
Source confirms: Mets in agreement with free agent right-hander Clay Holmes on three-year, $38M contract, pending physical. Opt out after second year. Plan is to make him a starter. First: @Joelsherman1
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 7, 2024
I've seen Kim projected around 4 years $60M, Walker around 3 years $50M and Belli is making $27M. If you dump Pressly that would put you around $250M this year.
I'd also be looking at signing a pitcher and flipping Framber. Maybe you get a guy like Eovaldi on a two year deal then trade Framber to the Orioles for O'Hearn and Kjerstad to get some lefty bats and saves you money as then you don't have to sign Walker (who also has a QO).
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