*****Official RPI and Seed Watch Thread*****

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Agryan00 said:

t.u. with a 3? In what universe do they get a 3. UCLA the 1, Ga Tech the 2 and likely NC with the 3. No way t.u. jumps GA so at best a 5.


You're right, they aren't passing Georgia, UCLA, or GA Tech - I still say an outside shot they could be above UNC. But hey, let's say they will be 5 or 6 because I maintain there is no chance they are lower than that. We will NOT be seeded 11 or 12.
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North Carolina's top 3 series wins by RPI:

#2 Georgia Tech - home
#33 Boston College - home
#42 N.C. State - road

SEC teams blow that away
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Outside of the Hyman years, the baseball committee has been pretty good the Ags. This isn't CFP. And I know the committee regularly changes up but still no reason to fret just yet.

Also remember the new true ranking all the way to 32 so this year will look different, hopefully for the better with higher ranking teams getting weaker opponents. The top 32 are grouped into buckets and paired like this:

  • Teams ranked 2932 Paired as 2-seeds with national seeds 14
  • Teams ranked 2528 Paired with national seeds 58
  • Teams ranked 2124 Paired with national seeds 912
  • Teams ranked 1720 Paired with national seeds 1316
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The devil is always in the details with these computer rankings. I'm looking at the following

Locks
UCLA
GT
UGA
Texas
UNC
Auburn

That leaves two spots to go to some mix of the following:
Alabama
USC
FSU
Florida
Nebraska
A&M

The bubble got crowded in recent weeks and to that end losing the Auburn series hurt. Looking at those teams detail what i see is

Alabama has some warts, namely they were swept twice including by Kentucky who isn't going to regionals this year. Maybe not a deal breaker but I think it's the second worst result of the contenders. They're 12-5 against the top 20 which is really good. 18 SEC wins matters.

USC isn't getting one. 1-10 against Quad 1 is awful. They've played 10 games against RPI top 20 teams and are 1-9. Just not a good resume.

FSU has a massive wart in a road sweep at Stanford who is 103 in RPI. That's bad. They're 3-8 against RPI top 20 teams with all wins coming at Wake Forest. I think this is the second worst resume besides USC.

Florida has no huge warts, their only sweep was to Alabama. Still it's a sweep. They're 10-11 against RPI top 20 teams which is solid. Biggest problem for them is series losses to two contenders in Bama and A&M. 18 SEC wins matters.

Nebraska has a massive wart in a sweep at RPI 79 Ohio State. That's a problem. They're 6-4 against RPI top 20 teams including sweeping USC. If it comes down to geography this is the most likely but that sweep is a problem if it's just about resumes.

A&M - There's something to be said for just being consistent and that's a great description for us this year. Our worst series result is actually at RPI 20 OU. Our worst game is actually the loss to RPI 74 Vanderbilt. Let that sink in. Everyone else got swept at least one with several being swept by teams not going to regionals. Meanwhile not only were we not swept but our worst series was a top 20 loss. That's impressive. We're 10-11 against RPI top 20 teams. 18 SEC wins matters.

Conclusions? We're looking to fill two spots and the real contenders are Bama, Nebraska and A&M. I really think the absence of a sweep puts us above Bama and Nebraska. Our worst result is significantly better than the other two and that matters.

For the last spot I could absolutely see Nebraska getting one despite the weakest overall resume and the bad sweep at OSU. If geography matters this is your pick for one of the last two. Bama has a better overall resume so I don't think either of these is a bad pick.
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Is auburn really a lock for top 8 after finishing 6th in conference standings?

I agree they are highly likely (80% or so), but I see a world where our tournament game presumably against them decides who is worthy of the last SEC slot.
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Well laid out.

I think post season we just need to watch out for Bama (RPI 6) and Florida State (RPI 7) going on runs. A&Ms (RPI 12) is close enough as long as both don't win there conference title I think we get one. Concern is that selection committee takes one SEC and one ACC as they barter among ADs and conferences. Florida State gets Wake or Louisville in game 1 and then likely NC. We get Auburn then t.u. so we get opportunity. Bama likely gets Florida.
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Luigi Vampa said:

Is auburn really a lock for top 8 after finishing 6th in conference standings?


I think they are. Had they lost yesterday then I think they'd be a host but not top 8. They're at 17 wins and RPI 3 and the #1 SOS. Omitting RPI 6+ is defensible but 3 just doesn't happen much. Plus we're debating them versus teams with 18 SEC wins which is why yesterday was so important for them. I think they can overlook a one game difference but not 2.
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They played the toughest schedule of anyone in college baseball. Impressive non conference slate of games that included wins over RPI #7 Fla. St., two wins over #10 Nebraska and a win over #2 Georgia Tech. I think they are a lock.
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Agryan00 said:

Well laid out.

I think post season we just need to watch out for Bama (RPI 6) and Florida State (RPI 7) going on runs. A&Ms (RPI 12) is close enough as long as both don't win there conference title I think we get one. Concern is that selection committee takes one SEC and one ACC as they barter among ADs and conferences. Florida State gets Wake or Louisville in game 1 and then likely NC. We get Auburn then t.u. so we get opportunity. Bama likely gets Florida.


Agreed. I'm hoping the sweeps to bad teams, RPI 70+, for Bama, Nebraska and FSU push them below us to the point where we're 7th and those three are debated for 8th.
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LOYAL AG said:

I posted this on Premium

The devil is always in the details with these computer rankings. I'm looking at the following

Locks
UCLA
GT
UGA
Texas
UNC
Auburn

That leaves two spots to go to some mix of the following:
Alabama
USC
FSU
Florida
Nebraska
A&M

The bubble got crowded in recent weeks and to that end losing the Auburn series hurt. Looking at those teams detail what i see is

Alabama has some warts, namely they were swept twice including by Kentucky who isn't going to regionals this year. Maybe not a deal breaker but I think it's the second worst result of the contenders. They're 12-5 against the top 20 which is really good. 18 SEC wins matters.

USC isn't getting one. 1-10 against Quad 1 is awful. They've played 10 games against RPI top 20 teams and are 1-9. Just not a good resume.

FSU has a massive wart in a road sweep at Stanford who is 103 in RPI. That's bad. They're 3-8 against RPI top 20 teams with all wins coming at Wake Forest. I think this is the second worst resume besides USC.

Florida has no huge warts, their only sweep was to Alabama. Still it's a sweep. They're 10-11 against RPI top 20 teams which is solid. Biggest problem for them is series losses to two contenders in Bama and A&M. 18 SEC wins matters.

Nebraska has a massive wart in a sweep at RPI 79 Ohio State. That's a problem. They're 6-4 against RPI top 20 teams including sweeping USC. If it comes down to geography this is the most likely but that sweep is a problem if it's just about resumes.

A&M - There's something to be said for just being consistent and that's a great description for us this year. Our worst series result is actually at RPI 20 OU. Our worst game is actually the loss to RPI 74 Vanderbilt. Let that sink in. Everyone else got swept at least one with several being swept by teams not going to regionals. Meanwhile not only were we not swept but our worst series was a top 20 loss. That's impressive. We're 10-11 against RPI top 20 teams. 18 SEC wins matters.

Conclusions? We're looking to fill two spots and the real contenders are Bama, Nebraska and A&M. I really think the absence of a sweep puts us above Bama and Nebraska. Our worst result is significantly better than the other two and that matters.

For the last spot I could absolutely see Nebraska getting one despite the weakest overall resume and the bad sweep at OSU. If geography matters this is your pick for one of the last two. Bama has a better overall resume so I don't think either of these is a bad pick.

Great post. I do think we're a lock too. I'm sticking with 6. Auburn 7 and likely Nebraska 8 for a Midwest host.
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Nebraska is #18 in the DSR this morning...and #15 in the KPI

not top 8 worthy with those marks
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threeanout said:

They played the toughest schedule of anyone in college baseball. Impressive non conference slate of games that included wins over RPI #7 Fla. St., two wins over #10 Nebraska and a win over #2 Georgia Tech. I think they are a lock.

I know if we had Auburn's resume we would be pounding the table that we should be a lock too
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Obvioulsy would like to be 6-8 seed but honestly will be happy with 9-11, just not 12-16.

This team can win a road SR. After last season it's just great to be having this conversation and the BCS Regional is going to be awesome.

BTHO everybody!!!!!
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Jarrin Jay said:

Obvioulsy would like to be 6-8 seed but honestly will be happy with 9-11, just not 12-16.

This team can win a road SR. After last season it's just great to be having this conversation and the BCS Regional is going to be awesome.

BTHO everybody!!!!!


If we are lower than a 10 I would be shocked
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one thing to keep an eye on...

I believe the 16 host sites will be announced on Sunday before the official pairings on Monday

so we'll see how the committee handles the Kansas vs. West Virginia hosting issue

KU won the Big 12 title, but WVU swept the Jayhawks

if WVU hosts and KU does not...that means head-to-head is important to this committee -- which is good for the Ags

if KU hosts and WVU does not...that means the committee is willing to throw out head-to-head for other metrics
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W said:

one thing to keep an eye on...

I believe the 16 host sites will be announced on Sunday before the official pairings on Monday

so we'll see how the committee handles the Kansas vs. West Virginia hosting issue

KU won the Big 12 title, but WVU swept the Jayhawks

if WVU hosts and KU does not...that means head-to-head is important to this committee -- which is good for the Ags

if KU hosts and WVU does not...that means the committee is willing to throw out head-to-head for other metrics


Well a conference championship is something that should be rewarded IMO. Same reason Georgia should be a lock for a high top 8 even with not a great RPI (Florida beat Georgia head to head and they have a higher RPi than Georgia but there is no question who will be higher here)
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Too much math on this thread.
Gig ‘Em Baby!
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W said:

Nebraska is #18 in the DSR this morning...and #15 in the KPI

not top 8 worthy with those marks


Where are you seeing the latest DSR?
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Includes yesterday's games:
https://d1baseball.com/diamond-sports-ranking/
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MagnumLoad said:

W said:

Nebraska is #18 in the DSR this morning...and #15 in the KPI

not top 8 worthy with those marks


Where are you seeing the latest DSR?

The May 16th DSR has us with a 39-13 record, so it seems it is updated through May 16th games

https://d1baseball.com/diamond-sports-ranking/
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Luigi Vampa said:

Agryan00 said:

t.u. with a 3? In what universe do they get a 3. UCLA the 1, Ga Tech the 2 and likely NC with the 3. No way t.u. jumps GA so at best a 5.


You're right, they aren't passing Georgia, UCLA, or GA Tech - I still say an outside shot they could be above UNC. But hey, let's say they will be 5 or 6 because I maintain there is no chance they are lower than that. We will NOT be seeded 11 or 12.

I feel certain that CDC has already informed the committee who they should play and what their ranking should be.
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Auburn went 1-3 last week with a loss to Jax State. If they go 0-1 in Hoover I can easily see them dropping to 9-11 and aTm solidly 7-8 even if we went 0-1 in Hoover.
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W said:

if WVU hosts and KU does not...that means head-to-head is important to this committee -- which is good for the Ags

if KU hosts and WVU does not...that means the committee is willing to throw out head-to-head for other metrics

It means nothing of the sort. It just means they were able to find a post-hoc rationalization for that particular decision that they wanted to make. In another case they can simply say that some other factor "outweighed" it. The committee is not bound by any rules whatsoever, nor even the need to be consistent in any given year.
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Use computer. Committees suck generally.
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big, big, big difference between the SEC regular season title and the BDF regular season title

however one thing in Kansas' favor...the Jayhawks have 2 midweek wins over Nebraska

those will help the Jayhawk cause
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MagnumLoad said:

Use computer. Committees suck generally.
With what data input, RPI? Because RPI is hot feces for the most part.
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Sean98 said:

MagnumLoad said:

Use computer. Committees suck generally.

With what data input, RPI? Because RPI is hot feces for the most part.

There are a few purely mathematical rankings out there. All three of the main sites I visit have their own metric D1's DSR, Boyd's ISR, and Nolan's ELO. There's also Massey and Kenpom roundball knockoff Basepom .

Plenty of data of ditch RPI and sure seems there is a trend towards just that.
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special Sunday night nerdcast underway on D1 podcast
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Interestingly if you go to Warren Nolan's site and check its ELO rankings instead of RPI, the rankings are similar to DSR's. The Aggies are 7 and Georgia is no. 3.

Someone here recently explained what ELO is but I still don't think I understand it.
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the D1 guys say:

5. t.u.
6. Alabama
7. Auburn
8. A&M

with Southern Miss at #9. Florida at #10. FSU #11

they put a lot of weight on head-to-head series wins
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credit to Kendall

he's the only one who mentioned A&M's 3 series wins over projected regional hosts

USM has none. They were very close to putting Southern Miss at #8
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I think this is fair. Only wild card is what if the committee heavily uses DSR? The Tide are 13th.

I did not have time to dive into all the results today with family in town. I'm going to avoid listening to this nerd cast so I won't be influenced by it when I put together my list tomorrow
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Was this discussed? Seems like pretty good metric for the Ags




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W said:

the D1 guys say:

5. t.u.
6. Alabama
7. Auburn
8. A&M

with Southern Miss at #9. Florida at #10. FSU #11

they put a lot of weight on head-to-head series wins


The caveat being that A&M can't go 1 and Q in the tournament while Southern Miss goes deep in theirs.
 
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