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My Dr is having great success with it so I will be using it.
You don't have to use it. You think it's dangerous you shouldn't use it.
Sounds smart . . . . if you trust your doc then go for it.
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Sounds smart . . . . if you trust your doc then go for it.
Some have a hard time with English here it seems.
The argument it doesn't work is akin to saying Tamiflu doesn't work because a study giving it to a flu patient in the hospital doesn't work.
This is simple stuff here.
The argument it doesn't work is akin to saying Tamiflu doesn't work because a study giving it to a flu patient in the hospital doesn't work.
This is simple stuff here.
Except there is not a great record of proven prevention either. That is why we have moved on to "Well no one said HCQ alone is a preventative . . . . .you have to combine it with other things." I have seen no research proving that either. Some studies say yes . . . others say no. It is a lot of noise at this point.
Not exactly. We have numerous randomized control trials now in numerous different clinical settings all that demonstrate the same thing...it doesn't work. It doesn't work in mild-moderate disease, it doesn't work when combined with azithromycin, it doesn't work in early disease, it doesn't work as a prophylaxis. There are few drugs that we use in medicine that have this amount of randomized data regarding efficacy, and the results have all been essentially unanimous.
Of course none of these studies used zinc which will be a sticking point for those that are staunchly in favor of HCQ efficacy, but there has never been any bioplausibility for why zinc administration with HCQ would change outcomes.
Nevertheless, if you and your doctor want to give the med a try, knock yourselves out. The chance of a fatal arrhythmia from taking this drug is incredibly low, but just know that this risk is real, just unlikely.
Of course none of these studies used zinc which will be a sticking point for those that are staunchly in favor of HCQ efficacy, but there has never been any bioplausibility for why zinc administration with HCQ would change outcomes.
Nevertheless, if you and your doctor want to give the med a try, knock yourselves out. The chance of a fatal arrhythmia from taking this drug is incredibly low, but just know that this risk is real, just unlikely.
No material on this site is intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. See full Medical Disclaimer.
I'm just here for the demon sex.
From now on this is just theculdeus said:
I'm just here for the demon sex.
**************************Official Demon Sex Thread********************
From Dr Reveille post.
"Now for the next topic that they brought up with hydroxycholoroquine. Once again we have discussed this many times before. The evidence is now mounting that when used early and with Zinc that is an effective treatment at reducing hospitalizations, intubations, and death.
There are now 65 published studies on use of HCQ with only 16 negative, about 10 inclusive and the rest positive. Here is a link to them all. https://c19study.com/ CNN and MsNBC lead the news with the Lancet and NEJM studies because it fit the narrative to make Trump look bad. They touted that not only did it not work but could harm you. Those studies were found to have fake data but even before that I mentioned here that using HCQ after admission to the hospital is not likely to show benefit as the viral load is way too high and inhibiting viral replication when you already have hundreds of millions of copies is likely futile. In addition when doctors discuss positive studies of HCQ on youtube, facebook etc they are taken down. Since when do we live in a country of censorship? Good chance this gets taken down if someone from facebook reads it.
Now we have many studies showing that early outpatient intervention with HCQ and Zinc can reduce the rate of hospitalization, intubations and death. The one linked below showing hospitalizations were reduced 84%, with only 1 death in treatment group vs 13 in control group. Positive studies like this one are almost never even mentioned on the air. Just like Fox coverage of the masks this is disgraceful and purposely misleads the public for their own agenda not what's best for the people watching.
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202007.0025/v1
So I believe these doctors' results? Absolutely I do! I personally have treated close to 100 Covid-19 patients with HCQ/Zinc and either Z-pak or doxycycline. Many republicans and many democrats, but I have yet to have a patient admitted to the hospital. Is it anctedocal? Absolutely! But I have not talked to a single doctor in the community that is not seeing good results. Is it a cure? Absolutely not, that is WAY overstating its effectiveness. But it certainly does appear to be an effective treatment when used early in the disease that reduces your risk of hospitalization.
Isn't that what we are looking for anyway? Do we close the economy for colds? No, because while millions of people get them few get hospitalized and die so no one really cares. Lets focus on reducing Covid-19 to this level.
Still don't believe in HCQ even with all these studies now that simply look at the deaths per millions of countries that are using it all the time. They are significantly lower than those that do not.
As for the safety of HCQ. We have been using this for 65 years and until mentioned by Trump the only safety issue was eye damage with long term use. Patients were required to get annual eye exams. Did we get EKG's on patients needing it to go to Africa or another area with malaria? No we did not, we just prescribed it.
Do I agree with the frontline doctors mentioning it to be over the counter? Not sure I would go that far, but under medical supervision it is an extremely safe medication. Read those studies above or the reviews I did previously and you will see that the side effects are minimal. This QT prolongation has been completely overblown by CNN and MsNBC once again to promote their own agenda. Is it possible certainly, is it common absolutely not. Even more importantly how often is someone suffering an arrhythmia from it. The only studies bearing this out have been voluntarily withdrawn. Unfortunately, this has likely scared many high risk people away from using the medication. Remember, you are only taking it for 5 days and Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lupus patients take them for life. Your risk of a side effect in 5 days is very very low.
So STOP playing politics and start being an American that wants to help save lives and end this pandemic. Together we can control this pandemic but apart we are only making it worse. "
"Now for the next topic that they brought up with hydroxycholoroquine. Once again we have discussed this many times before. The evidence is now mounting that when used early and with Zinc that is an effective treatment at reducing hospitalizations, intubations, and death.
There are now 65 published studies on use of HCQ with only 16 negative, about 10 inclusive and the rest positive. Here is a link to them all. https://c19study.com/ CNN and MsNBC lead the news with the Lancet and NEJM studies because it fit the narrative to make Trump look bad. They touted that not only did it not work but could harm you. Those studies were found to have fake data but even before that I mentioned here that using HCQ after admission to the hospital is not likely to show benefit as the viral load is way too high and inhibiting viral replication when you already have hundreds of millions of copies is likely futile. In addition when doctors discuss positive studies of HCQ on youtube, facebook etc they are taken down. Since when do we live in a country of censorship? Good chance this gets taken down if someone from facebook reads it.
Now we have many studies showing that early outpatient intervention with HCQ and Zinc can reduce the rate of hospitalization, intubations and death. The one linked below showing hospitalizations were reduced 84%, with only 1 death in treatment group vs 13 in control group. Positive studies like this one are almost never even mentioned on the air. Just like Fox coverage of the masks this is disgraceful and purposely misleads the public for their own agenda not what's best for the people watching.
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202007.0025/v1
So I believe these doctors' results? Absolutely I do! I personally have treated close to 100 Covid-19 patients with HCQ/Zinc and either Z-pak or doxycycline. Many republicans and many democrats, but I have yet to have a patient admitted to the hospital. Is it anctedocal? Absolutely! But I have not talked to a single doctor in the community that is not seeing good results. Is it a cure? Absolutely not, that is WAY overstating its effectiveness. But it certainly does appear to be an effective treatment when used early in the disease that reduces your risk of hospitalization.
Isn't that what we are looking for anyway? Do we close the economy for colds? No, because while millions of people get them few get hospitalized and die so no one really cares. Lets focus on reducing Covid-19 to this level.
Still don't believe in HCQ even with all these studies now that simply look at the deaths per millions of countries that are using it all the time. They are significantly lower than those that do not.
As for the safety of HCQ. We have been using this for 65 years and until mentioned by Trump the only safety issue was eye damage with long term use. Patients were required to get annual eye exams. Did we get EKG's on patients needing it to go to Africa or another area with malaria? No we did not, we just prescribed it.
Do I agree with the frontline doctors mentioning it to be over the counter? Not sure I would go that far, but under medical supervision it is an extremely safe medication. Read those studies above or the reviews I did previously and you will see that the side effects are minimal. This QT prolongation has been completely overblown by CNN and MsNBC once again to promote their own agenda. Is it possible certainly, is it common absolutely not. Even more importantly how often is someone suffering an arrhythmia from it. The only studies bearing this out have been voluntarily withdrawn. Unfortunately, this has likely scared many high risk people away from using the medication. Remember, you are only taking it for 5 days and Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lupus patients take them for life. Your risk of a side effect in 5 days is very very low.
So STOP playing politics and start being an American that wants to help save lives and end this pandemic. Together we can control this pandemic but apart we are only making it worse. "
He also posted a long discussion on that masks work! So, wear your masks everyone!
TLDR;
Beware of Doug said:
TLDR;
Excellent
Old RV Ag said:
He also posted a long discussion on that masks work! So, wear your masks everyone!
Totally Agree!!!
Found this on the internet today....
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub
This paper was censored by Google and it reappeared just prior to the hearings this week on censorship
This paper was censored by Google and it reappeared just prior to the hearings this week on censorship
Picadillo said:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeIsYd4XsAEqN_z?format=jpg&name=medium
Good post.
Why even mention this, doc. The chance for any symptom is incredibly low. Good grief.Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
Not exactly. We have numerous randomized control trials now in numerous different clinical settings all that demonstrate the same thing...it doesn't work. It doesn't work in mild-moderate disease, it doesn't work when combined with azithromycin, it doesn't work in early disease, it doesn't work as a prophylaxis. There are few drugs that we use in medicine that have this amount of randomized data regarding efficacy, and the results have all been essentially unanimous.
Of course none of these studies used zinc which will be a sticking point for those that are staunchly in favor of HCQ efficacy, but there has never been any bioplausibility for why zinc administration with HCQ would change outcomes.
Nevertheless, if you and your doctor want to give the med a try, knock yourselves out. The chance of a fatal arrhythmia from taking this drug is incredibly low, but just know that this risk is real, just unlikely.
Good grief yourself. You don't want information disclosure. If he had mentioned something being a really low risk of mask usage would you still want it suppressed?PearlJammin said:Why even mention this, doc. The chance for any symptom is incredibly low. Good grief.Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
Not exactly. We have numerous randomized control trials now in numerous different clinical settings all that demonstrate the same thing...it doesn't work. It doesn't work in mild-moderate disease, it doesn't work when combined with azithromycin, it doesn't work in early disease, it doesn't work as a prophylaxis. There are few drugs that we use in medicine that have this amount of randomized data regarding efficacy, and the results have all been essentially unanimous.
Of course none of these studies used zinc which will be a sticking point for those that are staunchly in favor of HCQ efficacy, but there has never been any bioplausibility for why zinc administration with HCQ would change outcomes.
Nevertheless, if you and your doctor want to give the med a try, knock yourselves out. The chance of a fatal arrhythmia from taking this drug is incredibly low, but just know that this risk is real, just unlikely.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/
Dr Fauci's own agency stating HCQ was effective vs coronavirus back in 2005.
Dr Fauci's own agency stating HCQ was effective vs coronavirus back in 2005.
PearlJammin said:Why even mention this, doc. The chance for any symptom is incredibly low. Good grief.Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
Not exactly. We have numerous randomized control trials now in numerous different clinical settings all that demonstrate the same thing...it doesn't work. It doesn't work in mild-moderate disease, it doesn't work when combined with azithromycin, it doesn't work in early disease, it doesn't work as a prophylaxis. There are few drugs that we use in medicine that have this amount of randomized data regarding efficacy, and the results have all been essentially unanimous.
Of course none of these studies used zinc which will be a sticking point for those that are staunchly in favor of HCQ efficacy, but there has never been any bioplausibility for why zinc administration with HCQ would change outcomes.
Nevertheless, if you and your doctor want to give the med a try, knock yourselves out. The chance of a fatal arrhythmia from taking this drug is incredibly low, but just know that this risk is real, just unlikely.
Lol, I'll make sure going forward on patient consents for procedures to ignore bringing up all the low risk possibilities of detrimental effects.
"Hey doc, any risks to putting that tube in my chest?"
"Nah, you'll be fine."
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Picadillo said:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/
Dr Fauci's own agency stating HCQ was effective vs coronavirus back in 2005.
They recanted this research in 2008 in the New England medical journal once it was discovered that someone in the control group got butt****ed by a demon.
What about the catalyst Zinc? Where is Zinc? As another doc says on here, is that HCQ is a very effective ionophore for zinc and zinc blocks the virus. It may not be scientifically proven but I put as much faith in the several countries, with their statistical analysis, saying it blunts the virus. Why do you keep denouncing it when it may be preventative? For many it will work, for many others not. END OF THE DAY ITS IS THE SAME PROTOCOL. I am beginning to believe you guys have an agenda beyond being a doctor.Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
Not exactly. We have numerous randomized control trials now in numerous different clinical settings all that demonstrate the same thing...it doesn't work. It doesn't work in mild-moderate disease, it doesn't work when combined with azithromycin, it doesn't work in early disease, it doesn't work as a prophylaxis. There are few drugs that we use in medicine that have this amount of randomized data regarding efficacy, and the results have all been essentially unanimous.
Of course none of these studies used zinc which will be a sticking point for those that are staunchly in favor of HCQ efficacy, but there has never been any bioplausibility for why zinc administration with HCQ would change outcomes.
Nevertheless, if you and your doctor want to give the med a try, knock yourselves out. The chance of a fatal arrhythmia from taking this drug is incredibly low, but just know that this risk is real, just unlikely.
These claims are why no one believes your horse**** links.Quote:
** Pre-exposure prophylaxis (or PrEP) 100% success
** Post-Exposure Prophylaxis (or PEP) 100% success
** Early Treatment 100% success
Have you or would you take tamiflu?Beware of Doug said:These claims are why no one believes your horse**** links.Quote:
** Pre-exposure prophylaxis (or PrEP) 100% success
** Post-Exposure Prophylaxis (or PEP) 100% success
** Early Treatment 100% success
oldyella said:Have you or would you take tamiflu?Beware of Doug said:These claims are why no one believes your horse**** links.Quote:
** Pre-exposure prophylaxis (or PrEP) 100% success
** Post-Exposure Prophylaxis (or PEP) 100% success
** Early Treatment 100% success
Quote:
Have you or would you take tamiflu?
Sorry it does has reference, given the RNA aspect of it, and the fact that flu still reigns over the vid. Not a strawman, you are not seeing the logic only prejudice/bias. Let me define the logic on my approach, and then lets put it up for scientific based rooted against statistically based science. You have an agenda. End of the day, hospital treatment protocol is the same!Beware of Doug said:oldyella said:Have you or would you take tamiflu?Beware of Doug said:These claims are why no one believes your horse**** links.Quote:
** Pre-exposure prophylaxis (or PrEP) 100% success
** Post-Exposure Prophylaxis (or PEP) 100% success
** Early Treatment 100% success
What is the Vid?Quote:
the fact that flu still reigns over the vid
What is "scientific based rooted against statistically based science??Quote:
Let me define the logic on my approach, and then lets put it up for scientific based rooted against statistically based science.
Probably a bunch of spelling errors which I am also guilty of . . just curious about what you were trying to say.
"The vid" means that he is a flumer. That still believes that covid-19 is less dangerous than the flu.
The other part is saying "unless you do a double blind test with HCQ, Zinc and Zpac giving as PrEP, PEP and early symptom onset, and it shows that it increases the likelihood that you will be infect and die if you are infected, I am not going to believe it isn't effective."
The other part is saying "unless you do a double blind test with HCQ, Zinc and Zpac giving as PrEP, PEP and early symptom onset, and it shows that it increases the likelihood that you will be infect and die if you are infected, I am not going to believe it isn't effective."
So there is a slangy term for COVID . . .interesting. Flu reigns over it.Got it.
Using the Baltimore Classification, do you know if the flu viruses are in the same group as coronaviruses? Answer, NO.oldyella said:Sorry it does has reference, given the RNA aspect of it, and the fact that flu still reigns over the vid. Not a strawman, you are not seeing the logic only prejudice/bias. Let me define the logic on my approach, and then lets put it up for scientific based rooted against statistically based science. You have an agenda. End of the day, hospital treatment protocol is the same!Beware of Doug said:oldyella said:Have you or would you take tamiflu?Beware of Doug said:These claims are why no one believes your horse**** links.Quote:
** Pre-exposure prophylaxis (or PrEP) 100% success
** Post-Exposure Prophylaxis (or PEP) 100% success
** Early Treatment 100% success
Flu viruses are single-stranded positive sense, whereas coronaviruses are single-stranded negative sense.
What makes you believe that they would behave similarly?
So if they are
Hydroxychloroquine Helps Poor Nations Overcome COVID-19
https://stream.org/hydroxychloroquine-helps-poor-nations-overcome-covid-19/
https://stream.org/hydroxychloroquine-helps-poor-nations-overcome-covid-19/
Quote:
Controversy rages in the United States over the use of Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for COVID-19. Critics so many driven to fight HCQ because President Trump advocated for it refuse to yield to evidence that it works. Yet that evidence is pouring in from around the world.
There, it has been a vital tool for both prevention and treatment. It could be reducing case fatality rates. Including in my home country.
HCQ Use in India
The largest population to consume HCQ, and successfully reduce deaths and infection, is in India.
After careful studies from the country's top hospitals, the Indian government recommends HCQ for people at high risk of contracting COVID-19.
Data from lab tests showed HCQ's safety and its efficacy against SARS-CoV-2. Health care workers who took it showed reduced infection rates and mortality despite constant exposure to COVID-19 patients. Clinical trials on outpatients confirmed that, properly used, it is safe.
The Poor Benefit Most
As you might guess, since HCQ is very inexpensive, the biggest benefactors are the poor.
Asia's largest slum, Dharavi, is in Mumbai. It is home to about a million people. It made great progress against COVID-19. Officials credited the turnaround to HCQ and a combination of other drugs.
Given HCQ's widespread efficacy, the Indian government announced it will provide 42 million HCQ tablets to Indian states. Officials stated, "States have to use these HCQ tablets for the treatment of COVID-19 patients and as prophylaxis."
India also produces 70 percent of the global stockpile of HCQ. Since COVID-19 took off, the country has exported HCQ to many countries. The U.S. alone received 50 million tablets.
HCQ Use Elsewhere in the Developing World
Further, India is sending HCQ tablets as aid to 75 or more poor countries. Africa received $16 million worth of COVID-19 support from India, including HCQ tablets.
Morocco used HCQ with high success. In light of that, a Moroccan scientist working in France claimed that "78% of Europe's coronavirus-related deaths could have been avoided if European states had used HCQ."
Turkey, Indonesia, Ukraine, Greece, Malaysia, and Cuba are other countries where early HCQ use brought very low death rates.
What a load of nonsense. Several of those countries listed as "no HCQ" like France, Spain, Italy, UK all used HCQ quite frequently. Also, most of the countries on the "no HCQ" use were hit with COVID early on in the pandemic when widespread testing was not available, meaning that they were only testing those that were hospitalized, falsely elevating their CFR.chjoak said:
Countries using HCQ to treat COVID have lower fatality rates
from above...
Basically what I am saying is that this is a whole lot of nonsense. It doesn't help that this chart is being put out by the AAPS quacks.
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