cone said:

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tell that to the people double vaccinated in the ICU

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I can't find them.

cone said:

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tell that to the people double vaccinated in the ICU

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Likely a statical anomaly. People go to the icu for flu sometimes too and people don't worry about that.

Maybe cone should go visit all the people in hospitals that were injured in serious car wrecks and explain to them how he's still going to selfishly drive a car from now on

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cone said:

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tell that to the people double vaccinated in the ICU

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I can't find them.

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there's one in my family

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And that person is statistical noise at this point.

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cone said:

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tell that to the people double vaccinated in the ICU

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I can't find them.

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there's one in my family

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I'm sorry to hear that, but "there's one in my family" does not mean ICUs are full of vaccinated people. That's simply not the case per both our docs here and the statistics.

Hope your family member gets through this ok.

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good to know that's the attitude of this board

i'll see myself out

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Painting the entire board with a broad brush based on the response of one poster. I feel for your specific situation, and I can't even imagine, but the fact remains that these cases are statistical anomalies. My mother died suddenly and instantly at the age of 64 from aortic dissection while getting ready for church on a Sunday. That doesn't mean that everyone else seemingly healthy and 64 years of age should live in fear of that happening. My question to you is this: At what point is it ok for people to live their lives as freely as they would like? We are likely never eradicating Covid. The sooner you come to grips with that, the better off you'll be. This situation has done far more psychological and economic harm to adults and youth alike in this country than it will ever do from a physiological standpoint. Just do you if that's what floats your boat, but quit running here trying to spread fear and negativity every chance you get. It's past time to move on from this.

The individual stories are tragic, the impact on families immense.

But whole economies and whole societies cannot and should not be driven by those tragedies.

There is no moratorium on driving despite my great uncle and cousin dying in a car accident because of an 18 wheeler.

Our high school didn't shut its doors because my son's classmate became paralyzed after contracting a virus at 16. A virus caused AFM, which led to him living in a wheelchair, probably for life. That is a tragedy his mother lives with every day; she is a good friend of mine. But we didn't shut down the school....

in 1992, a coworker died of pneumonia caused by flu. He was 50. We didn't shut our doors, demand everyone be tested for the flu before returning to work....we went to his funeral, hugged his young kids and cried. But we didn't change our community because of his illness.

There are always outliers. Always. I am truly sorry on a micro level for each one of these stories. But on a macro level? Outliers.

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good to know that's the attitude of this board

i'll see myself out

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This board exists to provide accurate information regarding covid. Anecdotal stories that don't correlate to the overwhelming statistical data doesn't help. The fact is, the vaccines are doing their job against all strains of covid, including the delta variant. The data and science supporting that statement is undeniable at this point.

Just a little story about how contagious and deadly this variant is. Friend of mine and my wife were with us on a mini vacation last weekend. She started feeling ill Friday night and ended up returning home Saturday. Which she "tested positive". I have my doubts that was the case because she had 1 symptom of COVID, but I digress. I gave this chick a hug and my wife was around her all day. Somehow we didn't die. We probably didn't die because we didn't get this super contagious respiratory Ebola. Some of the post on this thread are saddening in the fact that some of you people literally appear to be scared of your own shadow.

You didn't die, yet....

There are some people on this board holding their breath the boogeyman shows up in two weeks.

I love how per this thread anyone encouraging others to get vaccinated are apparently also locking themselves in their closets all day.

That's not agreeing with the sentiment, in case that was unclear. For some reason many want to make this a completely black and white issue.

I and I'd imagine many others are living our lives quite normally these days, we just also realize the value in people getting vaccinated.

If I am lackadaisical about this "surge", it isn't because I'm pretending the disease doesn't exist. It's because the vaccine is available to all. So at this point, people are making a choice.

If someone around 30 who's morbidly obese dies from this, it's Darwin at work.

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Goes against the narrative

Looks like this triggered another round of selling "UK CHIEF SCIENTIFIC ADVISER VALLANCE SAYS 60% OF PEOPLE BEING ADMITTED TO HOSPITAL WITH COVID HAVE HAD TWO DOSES OF VACCINE"

— James DePorre (@RevShark) July 19, 2021

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What's the "narrative"?

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Vaccinated people aren't being hospitalized.

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That's never been the narrative. They were never touted to be 100% effective.

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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Vaccinated? If so, it might be his time.

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Nope. Didn't think he needed the vaccine.

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bangobango said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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Vaccinated? If so, it might be his time.

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Nope. Didn't think he needed the vaccine.

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Unfortunately, that's most in the ICU.

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Goes against the narrative

Looks like this triggered another round of selling "UK CHIEF SCIENTIFIC ADVISER VALLANCE SAYS 60% OF PEOPLE BEING ADMITTED TO HOSPITAL WITH COVID HAVE HAD TWO DOSES OF VACCINE"

— James DePorre (@RevShark) July 19, 2021

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Still not great:

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Sixty percent of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, the government's chief scientific adviser has said.

Earlier, Sir Patrick Vallance told a news briefing that figure was for in double-jabbed people. But he later corrected himself on Twitter, saying the original statistic was incorrect.

He posted: "Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference today, 19 July.

"About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double-vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people."

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But when you consider most people in the UK are fully vaccinated it becomes a math problem.

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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That's very sad and I of course hope that he has a full recovery. That doesn't change the fact that he's the one in a million case.

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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That's very sad and I of course hope that he has a full recovery. That doesn't change the fact that he's the one in a million case.

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Same folks that will spout stats about the statistical efficacy and safety of the vaccine will also try and tug at your heartstrings for the statistical anomaly who suffers from infection.

Truth is both "sides" ignore statistics when it suits their cause, but we certainly know who is most at risk and who is statistically not likely to be impacted by the virus. While extremely sad, anecdotal stories obviously don't change this.