Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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bangobango said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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That's very sad and I of course hope that he has a full recovery. That doesn't change the fact that he's the one in a million case.

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Funny, he is the third middle aged man I personally know that has been hospitalized with the virus. One of them died from congestive heart failure a week after leaving the hospital.

I don't know a million people.

J_Daddy05 said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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bangobango said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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That's very sad and I of course hope that he has a full recovery. That doesn't change the fact that he's the one in a million case.

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Same folks that will spout stats about the statistical efficacy and safety of the vaccine will also try and tug at your heartstrings for the statistical anomaly who suffers from infection.

Truth is both "sides" ignore statistics when it suits their cause, but we certainly know who is most at risk and who is statistically not likely to be impacted by the virus. While extremely sad, anecdotal stories obviously don't change this.

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I'm not spouting stats about anything and I'm tired of partisan idiots like you putting words in other people's mouths. I'm responding the post that said unless you're 800 lbs or 90 years old, ignore it completely.

Do as you wish, but it can **** you up if you're one of the unlucky ones. You don't have to be way over weight or really old. I have personally seen it take down strong healthy middle aged men, and it was devastating to their families.

bangobango said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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bangobango said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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That's very sad and I of course hope that he has a full recovery. That doesn't change the fact that he's the one in a million case.

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Funny, he is the third middle aged man I personally know that has been hospitalized with the virus. One of them died from congestive heart failure a week after leaving the hospital.

I don't know a million people.

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What you are citing is statistical noise. And I'm pro vaccination. If you are healthy and less than 60 you should have no fear of covid

And btw, my son caught Covid and was fine. My in laws and brother in law got Covid and were fine (in-laws got it weekend after their second shot, but BIL was still not vaccinated). I understand it doesn't hit everyone hard, but it is like Russian roulette. If the bullet is in the chamber when it gets you, you're ferked.

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And btw, my son caught Covid and was fine. My in laws and brother in law got Covid and were fine (in-laws got it weekend after their second shot, but BIL was still not vaccinated). I understand it doesn't hit everyone hard, but it is like Russian roulette. If the bullet is in the chamber when it gets you, you're ferked.

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This is why it bugs me when people act like we're a bunch of paranoid idiots for getting vaccinated. When in reality we know it probably won't affect us that badly but we are doing our part to slow community spread, for the greater good of the population.

I don't understand why this is so hard for some people to comprehend.

bangobango said:

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J_Daddy05 said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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bangobango said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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That's very sad and I of course hope that he has a full recovery. That doesn't change the fact that he's the one in a million case.

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Same folks that will spout stats about the statistical efficacy and safety of the vaccine will also try and tug at your heartstrings for the statistical anomaly who suffers from infection.

Truth is both "sides" ignore statistics when it suits their cause, but we certainly know who is most at risk and who is statistically not likely to be impacted by the virus. While extremely sad, anecdotal stories obviously don't change this.

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I'm not spouting stats about anything and I'm tired of partisan idiots like you putting words in other people's mouths. I'm responding the post that said unless you're 800 lbs or 90 years old, ignore it completely.

Do as you wish, but it can **** you up if you're one of the unlucky ones. You don't have to be way over weight or really old. I have personally seen it take down strong healthy middle aged men, and it was devastating to their families.

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You've seen it take down SEEMINGLY healthy middle aged men.

If the rona gets you, you have something that makes you susceptible. It is just undiagnosed.

bangobango said:

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J_Daddy05 said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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bangobango said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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That's very sad and I of course hope that he has a full recovery. That doesn't change the fact that he's the one in a million case.

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Same folks that will spout stats about the statistical efficacy and safety of the vaccine will also try and tug at your heartstrings for the statistical anomaly who suffers from infection.

Truth is both "sides" ignore statistics when it suits their cause, but we certainly know who is most at risk and who is statistically not likely to be impacted by the virus. While extremely sad, anecdotal stories obviously don't change this.

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I'm not spouting stats about anything and I'm tired of partisan idiots like you putting words in other people's mouths. I'm responding the post that said unless you're 800 lbs or 90 years old, ignore it completely.

Do as you wish, but it can **** you up if you're one of the unlucky ones. You don't have to be way over weight or really old. I have personally seen it take down strong healthy middle aged men, and it was devastating to their families.

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I'm anything but "partisan" on this issue so save the personal insults. In fact, in my response I tried to be as neutral as possible by acknowledging that both "sides" are guilty of the same thing.

I used your initial post and subsequent responses to make a broader point. Your anecdotal example of a healthy 43 year old "fighting for his life" in the ICU right now doesn't change what we know or how we should approach it.

I'm very sorry for your friend by the way, I truly am. Maybe I should have expressed that more, but even before you responding I added him to my prayer list tonight. For whatever that's worth to you.

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bangobango said:

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And btw, my son caught Covid and was fine. My in laws and brother in law got Covid and were fine (in-laws got it weekend after their second shot, but BIL was still not vaccinated). I understand it doesn't hit everyone hard, but it is like Russian roulette. If the bullet is in the chamber when it gets you, you're ferked.

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This is why it bugs me when people act like we're a bunch of paranoid idiots for getting vaccinated. When in reality we know it probably won't affect us that badly but we are doing our part to slow community spread, for the greater good of the population.

I don't understand why this is so hard for some people to comprehend.

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I got the vaccination because I don't like getting sick and I figured I'd have more liberty with it. Same reason I get the flu vaccine. Some greater good garbage had nothing to do with it. The messaging from the start that vaccinated people would still suffer with masks and such was terrible. It never should have been that way.

The_Fox said:

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bangobango said:

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J_Daddy05 said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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bangobango said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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That's very sad and I of course hope that he has a full recovery. That doesn't change the fact that he's the one in a million case.

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Same folks that will spout stats about the statistical efficacy and safety of the vaccine will also try and tug at your heartstrings for the statistical anomaly who suffers from infection.

Truth is both "sides" ignore statistics when it suits their cause, but we certainly know who is most at risk and who is statistically not likely to be impacted by the virus. While extremely sad, anecdotal stories obviously don't change this.

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I'm not spouting stats about anything and I'm tired of partisan idiots like you putting words in other people's mouths. I'm responding the post that said unless you're 800 lbs or 90 years old, ignore it completely.

Do as you wish, but it can **** you up if you're one of the unlucky ones. You don't have to be way over weight or really old. I have personally seen it take down strong healthy middle aged men, and it was devastating to their families.

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You've seen it take down SEEMINGLY healthy middle aged men.

If the rona gets you, you have something that makes you susceptible. It is just undiagnosed.

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Or you're just obese. Like most Americans.

Salute The Marines said:

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larry culpepper said:

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bangobango said:

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And btw, my son caught Covid and was fine. My in laws and brother in law got Covid and were fine (in-laws got it weekend after their second shot, but BIL was still not vaccinated). I understand it doesn't hit everyone hard, but it is like Russian roulette. If the bullet is in the chamber when it gets you, you're ferked.

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This is why it bugs me when people act like we're a bunch of paranoid idiots for getting vaccinated. When in reality we know it probably won't affect us that badly but we are doing our part to slow community spread, for the greater good of the population.

I don't understand why this is so hard for some people to comprehend.

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I got the vaccination because I don't like getting sick and I figured I'd have more liberty with it. Same reason I get the flu vaccine. Some greater good garbage had nothing to do with it. The messaging from the start that vaccinated people would still suffer with masks and such was terrible. It never should have been that way.

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Agreed. Messaging from the very beginning should have been - get the vaccine and you can go back to normal, no masks/distancing etc. Instead politicians couldn't give up control and newly internet famous bureaucrats and medical professionals just couldn't give up the spotlight.

The_Fox said:

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PJYoung said:

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The_Fox said:

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bangobango said:

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J_Daddy05 said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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bangobango said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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That's very sad and I of course hope that he has a full recovery. That doesn't change the fact that he's the one in a million case.

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Same folks that will spout stats about the statistical efficacy and safety of the vaccine will also try and tug at your heartstrings for the statistical anomaly who suffers from infection.

Truth is both "sides" ignore statistics when it suits their cause, but we certainly know who is most at risk and who is statistically not likely to be impacted by the virus. While extremely sad, anecdotal stories obviously don't change this.

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I'm not spouting stats about anything and I'm tired of partisan idiots like you putting words in other people's mouths. I'm responding the post that said unless you're 800 lbs or 90 years old, ignore it completely.

Do as you wish, but it can **** you up if you're one of the unlucky ones. You don't have to be way over weight or really old. I have personally seen it take down strong healthy middle aged men, and it was devastating to their families.

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You've seen it take down SEEMINGLY healthy middle aged men.

If the rona gets you, you have something that makes you susceptible. It is just undiagnosed.

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Or you're just obese. Like most Americans.

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Then a treadmill is the vaccine. We could have saved a lot of money.

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Could we? Fitness and diet fads are a multi-billion dollar industry and Americans keep getting fatter.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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larry culpepper said:

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bangobango said:

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And btw, my son caught Covid and was fine. My in laws and brother in law got Covid and were fine (in-laws got it weekend after their second shot, but BIL was still not vaccinated). I understand it doesn't hit everyone hard, but it is like Russian roulette. If the bullet is in the chamber when it gets you, you're ferked.

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This is why it bugs me when people act like we're a bunch of paranoid idiots for getting vaccinated. When in reality we know it probably won't affect us that badly but we are doing our part to slow community spread, for the greater good of the population.

I don't understand why this is so hard for some people to comprehend.

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I got the vaccination because I don't like getting sick and I figured I'd have more liberty with it. Same reason I get the flu vaccine. Some greater good garbage had nothing to do with it. The messaging from the start that vaccinated people would still suffer with masks and such was terrible. It never should have been that way.

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Agreed. Messaging from the very beginning should have been - get the vaccine and you can go back to normal, no masks/distancing etc. Instead politicians couldn't give up control and newly internet famous bureaucrats and medical professionals just couldn't give up the spotlight.

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It's a sad state of affairs when we have to "earn" our "normal" back.

The_Fox said:

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PJYoung said:

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The_Fox said:

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bangobango said:

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J_Daddy05 said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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bangobango said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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That's very sad and I of course hope that he has a full recovery. That doesn't change the fact that he's the one in a million case.

---

Same folks that will spout stats about the statistical efficacy and safety of the vaccine will also try and tug at your heartstrings for the statistical anomaly who suffers from infection.

Truth is both "sides" ignore statistics when it suits their cause, but we certainly know who is most at risk and who is statistically not likely to be impacted by the virus. While extremely sad, anecdotal stories obviously don't change this.

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I'm not spouting stats about anything and I'm tired of partisan idiots like you putting words in other people's mouths. I'm responding the post that said unless you're 800 lbs or 90 years old, ignore it completely.

Do as you wish, but it can **** you up if you're one of the unlucky ones. You don't have to be way over weight or really old. I have personally seen it take down strong healthy middle aged men, and it was devastating to their families.

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You've seen it take down SEEMINGLY healthy middle aged men.

If the rona gets you, you have something that makes you susceptible. It is just undiagnosed.

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Or you're just obese. Like most Americans.

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Then a treadmill is the vaccine. We could have saved a lot of money.

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We could save billions in healthcare if people ate right and exercised.

But very even best case that's a solution that takes time and doesn't mean a vaccine wasn't useful.

Salute The Marines said:

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The_Fox said:

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PJYoung said:

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The_Fox said:

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bangobango said:

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J_Daddy05 said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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bangobango said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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It's a less deadly variant of a virus that already kills an incredibly small percentage of people that get it, for which there is a seemingly effective vaccine available. Unless you're an 800 pound or 90 year old unvaccinated person, completely ignore it.

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I will tell that to my 43 year old friend who is in ICU fighting for his life right now. I'm sure his wife and two small children will be happy to know he is really okay since he isn't 800 lbs nor 90 years old.

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That's very sad and I of course hope that he has a full recovery. That doesn't change the fact that he's the one in a million case.

---

Same folks that will spout stats about the statistical efficacy and safety of the vaccine will also try and tug at your heartstrings for the statistical anomaly who suffers from infection.

Truth is both "sides" ignore statistics when it suits their cause, but we certainly know who is most at risk and who is statistically not likely to be impacted by the virus. While extremely sad, anecdotal stories obviously don't change this.

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I'm not spouting stats about anything and I'm tired of partisan idiots like you putting words in other people's mouths. I'm responding the post that said unless you're 800 lbs or 90 years old, ignore it completely.

Do as you wish, but it can **** you up if you're one of the unlucky ones. You don't have to be way over weight or really old. I have personally seen it take down strong healthy middle aged men, and it was devastating to their families.

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You've seen it take down SEEMINGLY healthy middle aged men.

If the rona gets you, you have something that makes you susceptible. It is just undiagnosed.

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Or you're just obese. Like most Americans.

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Then a treadmill is the vaccine. We could have saved a lot of money.

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Could we? Fitness and diet fads are a multi-billion dollar industry and Americans keep getting fatter.

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I agree and this is one of my issues. Other folks are supposed to vaccinate to protect the vulnerable, while a huge percentage of the vulnerable refuse to protect themselves by hopping on a treadmill or eating less fast food. No, fat people aren't the entire equation, but we know they're a huge chunk of it. I wish we spent as much time "encouraging" healthier living as we do "encouraging" others to vaccinate.

Correct to an extent. However, if we want an economy, we need to ensure public health which the vaccine does.

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5+ cases at my office in the last few days, all among vax'd folks. None with severe symptoms AFAIK.

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The it's working

When my gym was forced to close, but McDonald's and liquor stores were deemed "essential" our overlords lost all credibility with me.

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Correct to an extent. However, if we want an economy, we need to ensure public health which the vaccine does.

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This is where we are likely to disagree. The largest impact on the economy is, and will continue to be the reaction to the virus by governmental agencies ordering lockdowns. Had we reacted as we should have by allowing the vast majority of Americans to continue life as normal, "the economy" would be fine.

Let me make it very clear, to avoid a lot of back and forth, I am not arguing against the efficacy or usefulness of the vaccine. However to continue with the most recent line of conversation, improving Americans health individually would have also gone a very long way to mitigating the damage done by the virus. We do not need the vaccine to "ensure public health".

ETA: The idea of "improving American's health" is way too abstract of a concept to even attempt a comparison to the efficacy of the vaccine. Nor am I implying I believe it would reach that level. I think I addressed (or at least implied) that in my initial statement.

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Good, that's how it should go.

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I'd rather see vax'd people not getting (and potentially transmitting) COVID but if it protects against serious illness that is a significant benefit.

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The vaccines were designed to prevent serious illness. Transmission prevention was always seen as a bonus from the outset.

Well for starters the CDC and the manufacturers when the efficacy studies were first published.