PJYoung said:SoupNazi2001 said:
Goes against the narrativeLooks like this triggered another round of selling "UK CHIEF SCIENTIFIC ADVISER VALLANCE SAYS 60% OF PEOPLE BEING ADMITTED TO HOSPITAL WITH COVID HAVE HAD TWO DOSES OF VACCINE"
— James DePorre (@RevShark) July 19, 2021
Still not great:Quote:
Sixty percent of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, the government's chief scientific adviser has said.
Earlier, Sir Patrick Vallance told a news briefing that figure was for in double-jabbed people. But he later corrected himself on Twitter, saying the original statistic was incorrect.
He posted: "Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference today, 19 July.
"About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double-vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people."
But when you consider most people in the UK are fully vaccinated it becomes a math problem.
People are looking at the percent of vaccinated hospitalizations and getting alarmed. But by itself, this number can't tell you much about how the vaccines are working, as it's highly dependent on the rate of vaccination in a community. Here's some maths to show what I mean👇🏽 pic.twitter.com/MmfiL7H1lw
— Kristen Panthagani, PhD (@kmpanthagani) July 20, 2021
New @AnnalsofIM
— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) July 19, 2021
Extremely high vaccine effectiveness in a large US cohort >108,000 @DeptVetAffairs real world setting for mRNAs, unaffected by age, gender, race, pre-existing conditionshttps://t.co/r6KktECZoz pic.twitter.com/IGGp1ntey4
By the numbers, looking at total numbers vaccinated vs number of vaccinated hospitalized with serious cases, isn't the initial idea still accurate?-cone said:
the issue being that the vaccines were sold as being something that virtually insured a mild course (not requiring hospitalization) if you caught it
that was absolutely the official line as of two months ago
so something has changed and it's not just the math
cone said:
the issue being that the vaccines were sold as being something that virtually insured a mild course (not requiring hospitalization) if you caught it
that was absolutely the official line as of two months ago
so something has changed and it's not just the math
PJYoung said:
Yes 99.5% protected from serious illness isn't 100%.
i think the 99.5% number is being revised downwardsQuote:
Yes 99.5% protected from serious illness isn't 100%.
cone said:i think the 99.5% number is being revised downwardsQuote:
Yes 99.5% protected from serious illness isn't 100%.
especially for people over 60
that's what i'm getting at
cone said:
it doesn't go against Israeli numbers at all
and they have used Pfizer (gold standard) exclusively
it's okay to admit that the vaccine effectiveness is going to wane, especially without boosters and updates
that's why i'm happy to get a booster with an update
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The Delta variant is believed to be more successful in bypassing the COVID vaccines than previous strains of the virus. Health Ministry figures released in early July indicated that the Pfizer COVID vaccine is only 64% effective in preventing infection, but it remains 93% effective at preventing hospitalization and serious symptoms.
Some health officials cast doubt on these figures, noting that they were gathered only over a period of a month, and they maintain that the Pfizer vaccine is actually more effective against Delta than claimed. Nevertheless, Pfizer cited data from Israel in seeking authorization from the US Federal Drug Administration for a third booster dose of its vaccine.
Last week, Israel began administering booster doses to those with weakened immune systems, including heart, liver and kidney transplant patients, despite the lack of approval from overseas regulatory agencies. But Health Ministry officials have indicated that third doses for the general population are not imminent, stressing that the vaccine remains largely effective.
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As to the question of why, in the over-60 group, the majority of seriously ill were vaccinated, the report noted that most people in the age group are vaccinated, and so that population is likely to get more representation. It is also possible that unvaccinated individuals have been more cautious than those who felt protected by the vaccines.
Salute The Marines said:
Your own article still says that the vaccine is 93% effective at preventing serious illness which corresponds to US numbers and what doctors on this board are saying. Not sure what drum you are trying to beat here.
SoupNazi2001 said:Charpie said:
Where were you told that?
https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3209587/replies/59654004
cone said:
I don't think I'm crazy to recall that vax effectiveness was once described at 94% avoid symptoms 99.5% serious illness
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A large 2020 trial, involving 30,420 adult volunteers at various sites across the U.S., reports that the Moderna vaccine has a 94.1% efficacy rate against COVID-19, including against severe disease
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Another study
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.15.21251623v3 , which has yet to undergo peer review, investigated the real world effectiveness of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. The researchers compared 31,069 vaccinated individuals (having received at least one dose of either vaccine) with 31,069 unvaccinated people.
The findings suggest that getting both doses of either COVID-19 vaccine was 88.7% effective in preventing infection.
Those who did get COVID-19 following vaccination had significantly lower 14-day hospital admission rates than unvaccinated people of a similar demographic.
New Jersey just released data on more than 4.4 million fully vaccinated individuals in their state. They have had about 3,500 breakthroughs and 83 hospitalizations in the vaccinated group. Those numbers reflect a 99% success rate of the vaccine and less than 1/10 of 1% of vaccinated people in their hospitals. Are these numbers good enough for you? Or do only the Israeli numbers continue to count even though the conflict with Jersey, Canada, Scotland, UK?cone said:
I don't think I'm crazy to recall that vax effectiveness was once described at 94% avoid symptoms 99.5% serious illness
it's okay if this has waned
but let's be honest even if there's a couple of bumps in the road
and why would the Israeli plan of getting/giving boosters be a bad thing? I'm here for it.
SoupNazi2001 said:RafterAg223 said:New Jersey just released data on more than 4.4 million fully vaccinated individuals in their state. They have had about 3,500 breakthroughs and 83 hospitalizations in the vaccinated group. Those numbers reflect a 99% success rate of the vaccine and less than 1/10 of 1% of vaccinated people in their hospitals. Are these numbers good enough for you? Or do only the Israeli numbers continue to count even though the conflict with Jersey, Canada, Scotland, UK?cone said:
I don't think I'm crazy to recall that vax effectiveness was once described at 94% avoid symptoms 99.5% serious illness
it's okay if this has waned
but let's be honest even if there's a couple of bumps in the road
and why would the Israeli plan of getting/giving boosters be a bad thing? I'm here for it.
https://nypost.com/2021/07/19/nj-study-vaccines-more-than-99-effective-against-covid-19/
You do realize many people have only been vaccinated for a couple of months. Highly likely this number continues to rise over coming months. Many people are seeing that in the trends.
cone said:
the issue being that the vaccines were sold as being something that virtually insured a mild course (not requiring hospitalization) if you caught it
that was absolutely the official line as of two months ago
so something has changed and it's not just the math
The Israeli experience with Delta confirms that vaccination prevents hospitalization more than 90% of the time. STILL TRUEcone said:
the issue being that the vaccines were sold as being something that virtually insured a mild course (not requiring hospitalization) if you caught it
that was absolutely the official line as of two months ago
so something has changed and it's not just the math
