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The Man in the High Castle

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3 eps in....that edelweiss.

That's like taking a childhood favorite then having the songwriter from the leftovers do the arrangement


Hahaha I know! It's one of my favorite songs. I actually like the arrangement, but it's creepy as hell. I feel like it was weird hearing a girl sing it too.
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I thought he had just been tortured.
I don't think so. Kotomichi has also made some interesting comments to Tagomi, "You can't stop meditating" and "You're too good for this world".
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It seems there's some emotional bridge being set up between our(?) reality and their. i.e. the two art works by Frank with that "sadness": the one fake that the rich Japanese woman sensed, and the necklace that trade minister had seemed to be drawn to throughout the episode (likely due to that aura) and at the end used to Sliders to our world (at least mentally). Also my guess is that Julie's mom's sense that her other daughter was still alive was her sensing that in our reality her daughter is alive... although most likely she just BSC.
Frank is somehow linked to the wu stuff. I like how Tagomi can meditate on the wu and dimensionally shift while the Germans have the film. The Japanese way is spiritual, while the Germans use brute force by technology.

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The film showing Joe killing Frank can't be from either the show's universe nor our own. It can't be from their's because Frank is obviously still alive. It can't be from ours because the war ended in the 40s and that killing would have to take place in the 60s. I guess there is a third universe where WW2 is still going in the 60s?
I don't think it is. The film starts with a nuclear detonation and Juliana comments that it isn't like the other films. The next view is of a destroyed Golden Gate bridge. I think it's the future if the Cold War scenario isn't achieved: a nuked SF and genocide of the remaining semites.

Overall, I loved it. I haven't rewatched scenes like this since Lost. However, by the end of it, I was annoyed with the Joe-Juliana-Frank romantic triangle. I think I would like Joe more if we saw some of his past. His struggle between completing missions and his emotions for Juliana, the girl he just met, seemed shallow. Frank needs to grow a pair. I thought maybe the prison stint and losing his sister and the kids would accomplish that - and it almost did. But time and time again Juliana and her, "I'm so sorry, Frank", has him rolling over for her. And what's with his reaction to Joe calling her? When she admits that the east coast operative is a man, he instantly infers infidelity and storms out. Just seemed like a waste of a great storyline: losing his family, exploring his Jewish heritage, and turning to forgery to fund his escape. I just wish he would have continued down the vengeful, nothing to lose path instead of throwing everything he worked for away on buying Joe's release for Juliana.
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Heisenberg device was clearly the German name for the A-bomb, which Japan was desperate to get to prevent them from taking over the rest of America and who knows what else.
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I have a theory that Joe is somehow related to Hitler.
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It is strange that Joe never has to wear his official uniform or anything.
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He hadn't really had occasion to do so,has he?
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It is strange that Joe never has to wear his official uniform or anything.


Does he have an official position? My understanding is that he's an operative and not necessarily a ranking member of the SS.
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Anytime he is back in New York I figure he'd have to be in dress. I think he has a rank and isn't just an operative.
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When we have seen him in New York, hasn't it been at home, at Smiths house for dinner or even brought there for interrogation?

Assuming he's not just an operative, I don't see when he should have been in uniform.
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He was in New York when he was at smiths office and his gf's apt. Pretty sure he "lives" in NYC. Smith lives on Long Island I believe.

And where does Smith fall in rank for America? Is he the highest ranking nazi officer stateside?
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I think he's the highest ranking SS officer but not necessarily the highest ranking nazi.
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I think he's the highest ranking SS officer but not necessarily the highest ranking nazi.
I think this is somewhat correct. thn guy he shot in the cabin was called Obestgrubbenfuhr (or something like that) and he is the highest ranking SS guy. We googled the names last night and that's what I found.

So, we're going with parallel dimensions and possible time shifting? That makes sense with the videos I guess and the ending. Little disappointed if that's the way its going though. Was hoping this would just be a show about an alternate world where America rises up against Japs/Nazis and comes out on top, without any time travel or what not.
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I'm pretty sure Heydrich, the nazi he shot, wasn't from or living in America.
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I know. His name/character is an actual Nazi from WWII. Their titles classify their ranking in the party/SS.

Edit- ok I see now that someone above asked if Smith was the highest ranking SS in America. Yes, I believe he is but the German guy is above him.
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And it is obvious that Smith was scared shetless of him as well.

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So, we're going with parallel dimensions and possible time shifting? That makes sense with the videos I guess and the ending. Little disappointed if that's the way its going though. Was hoping this would just be a show about an alternate world where America rises up against Japs/Nazis and comes out on top, without any time travel or what not.


I agree with this. I don't know how the source material plays the sci-fi angle, but I liked it being played a little more straight.

Maybe I'm still recovering from Lost.
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Check out his bio from real life. Pretty awful human.
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Check out his bio from real life. Pretty awful human.
Pro tip: No research is necessary to know that high ranking SS officers were "pretty awful humans".
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haha true enough.
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Check out his bio from real life. Pretty awful human.
Pro tip: No research is necessary to know that high ranking SS officers were "pretty awful humans".
No sh*t.
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Heydrich is widely considered one of the worst of the worst Nazis, along with Himmler. Smith referenced him as the "man with the iron heart", which was his real nickname.
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Did that ***** commit sucide like his boss too? Or get strung up in Geneva?
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He was assassinated in 1942. Lidice was one of two Czech towns erased from the map in reprisal.
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Yep. Pretty interesting story actually.
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Interestingly, Smith's assassination attempt was quite similar to Heydrich's

Edit: on rewatch, not that similar just a couple common points
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Finished it up this weekend, really enjoyed this show, telling everyone I know about it.
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Are we to assume that the Nazi's spread their genocide over most of Africa as well? I know Heydrich mentioned something about their conquests there.
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Are we to assume that the Nazi's spread their genocide over most of Africa as well? I know Heydrich mentioned something about their conquests there.

He said they enslaved the continent.
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http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/man-in-the-high-castle-renewed-amazon-season-2-1201665128/
Vernada
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Knocked out 8 episodes this weekend. I'll finish up tonight. Good stuff.
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Bump for a great show!

Wife and I finally hunkered down yesterday and got through 9 episodes. Can't wait to see the last one today. And now I'm stoked to hear a whole new season is on tap for 2016.

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Are we to assume that the Nazi's spread their genocide over most of Africa as well? I know Heydrich mentioned something about their conquests there.
In the book, there was talk of a "final solution" for Africa..
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Just finished. Holy hell I enjoyed it. Quick question- if I read the book is it going to spoil stuff for me? Or are they different enough?
Gunter12
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Edelweiss fascinates our 7 month old German Shorthaired Pointer...she stops whatever she's doing when it comes on and stares at the TV, quizzically turning her head from side to side. Generally, about 30-45 seconds into it, her eyes start getting really heavy. It's like a doggie lullaby for her. Weird as hell.
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I just googled The real Reinhard Heydruch and the actor who played him in the series. They look shockingly similar.

I would post the pics, but don't know how from my ipad


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Also, I just realized at the very end that the Trade Minister was visiting the alternate realty every time he sat in his chair and meditated. He was using Juliana's necklace to do so, but he only found the necklace on the ground after the assassination attempt. What did he use before that?

Also, Hitler is obviously collecting the films. So why did they send Joe to the neutral zone with a film?why did they not just give the film to Hitler? Are the films that the resistance collecting also going to Hitler? If so, aren't they working towards the same goal? If they are, then why is Joe an undercover operative trying to identify the resistance? Shouldn't the nazis be supporting the resistance in their efforts to collect the films? Or, are the Resistance trying to get the films to someone other than Hitler?
 
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