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rhutton125
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8:07p, 12/1/21
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I'm glad Survivor is still built in such a way where self-preservation is more important (generally) than anything else. Keeps it interesting and competitive, yet you do have real-life baggage and identity and politics and whatever else that you bring into it.

IIRC there were a few early post-merge episodes where they'd try and get Xander to bite on playing his idol. I remember Ricard in particular trying to lead him into it during mid-Tribal chatter - maybe the Heather flip-out episode.

I wonder if Erika will look back on this as the moment that she went too passive. But if she'd gone for Ricard, she may have been the next one out. There's just not a lot of time left for her to make an actual resume. Right now it's Ricard > Xander > anyone else.
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8:22p, 12/1/21
Deshaun came out on the right side of the Monty Hall problem, even though the odds say you should always switch your pick.
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10:42a, 12/2/21
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So, the Black coalition, who was on top and in control, has completely flipped when Shan got the boot. Now Liana.

The discourse at TC with the POC upset that even tho they are trying to make their People proud, they still have to play against each other and are greatly conflicted to the point of tears?

This is a GAME! The objective is to SURVIVE at all costs. To bring social implications into the game is completely incongruent with the goal of an individual winning. Did they not realize that sooner or later players have to eliminate each other regardless of race?

In many ways, Survivor is pure in this regard: in the end, it's all about YOU and has nothing to do with race or gender.

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11:16a, 12/2/21
The hypocrisy of all this bugs me. I've never missed a season of survivor but this season may be my last. Just play the game and leave all this "whoa is me wokeness" out of it.
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rhutton125
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1:45p, 12/2/21
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I don't think anyone's complaining about the rules of the game - just another "damn this is hard" aspect to Survivor. Voting out people you connect with, etc.
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The Porkchop Express
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3:16p, 12/2/21
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You know I didn't undestand the Monty Hall thing in the "21" movie and I still don't get it.

Your odds of having the right box go from 33% to 50% once Probst opens one, but the one you picked is still a 50% chance of being the right one, so why are you compelled to pick the other one?

I imagine it is really tough for some people to go against their convictions in Survivor because a lot of the more cold-blooded moves down the line are hard to pull off and feel good about. Being able to separate your emotions with the people you're spending 24/7 with in an uncomfortable environment from the fact that you have to get rid of them all to get the money seems really tough. Whether those convictions involve people of the same race, gender, religion or whatever, I definitely see it hitting you in the feels when you have a minute or two to think about it.

Not being black or female or any other minority other than having 1 robot leg, I can't really make a decision on if the tribal stuff is BS or real. It is mostly a time waster for me. you kind of knew that Deshaun was going to win the Do or Die because there were still 25 minutes left in the episode when they went to Tribal Council.

Excited to see what comes next. Danny winning immunity on the anniversary of his dad's death was some powerful stuff. Glad they included that.

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jetescamilla
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 3:23p, 12/2/21
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This helps to explain the monty hall problem. Switching will give you a 66% chance of a correct answer because the host will never reveal a door that has the actual prize. You have more information now knowing one of the doors is definitely not holding the prize.

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3:43p, 12/2/21
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I didn't have so much an issue with Deshaun showing emotion or his rationale being a black man in the game and how that made it hard to eliminate Shan. But when it went woke with Liana going on about blacks being "killed for being black" and then the "illumination" moments from Xander and Heather as white contestants was over the top and the kind of unnecessary crapola that Jeff encourages that make me want to turn it off permanently.

Just ****ing play and leave the SJW **** at home.
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Longhorn Nation
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4:57p, 12/2/21
If I want to watch this woke crap, I'll watch something else. And it's awfully hypocritical to say you want to live in a color-blind society, but have a final 4 alliance based solely on color. I'm close to being done with this show.
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The Porkchop Express
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In reply to Longhorn Nation • 5:01p, 12/2/21
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Longhorn Nation said:
If I want to watch this woke crap, I'll watch something else. And it's awfully hypocritical to say you want to live in a color-blind society, but have a final 4 alliance based solely on color. I'm close to being done with this show.
That is absolutely true. I would love 4 contestants to get together and say "We're all white, let's have all all-white alliance to the Final Four. it's been a tough year for white people! White power above all else. An unbreakable alliance!"

They wouldn't just be cancelled, they'd be tied to a rocket and blasted off into the cold of space for eternity.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 5:12p, 12/2/21
I have been saying that very thing to my wife all season. If the approach flipped to an all-white alliance and they said some of the crap that this group has said, the white alliance would be kicked off the show and ANTIFA would burn their house down!
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11:48p, 12/2/21
After previous tribal, Liana knew she had a huge target on her back and even if her alliance members supported her, she was on the bottom of the numbers (3 vs 4). The obvious move was to go for immunity, but as she admits she's not good with challenges.

However, there was a different path to immunity - intentionally volunteering for Survivor Do or Die. Now the odds for that were not great (1/3), but its much better than the Shot in the Dark (1/6) which she seriously considered. Also it would count as a "Big Move" on her Survivor Resume.

It would be ballsy but it would be the smart play when you're the top target. Instead she sat it out and did nothing.

I don't blame the Black Alliance for feeling the pressure to do a good job representing blacks. However, it seems their entire strategy was to turn tribal council into a woke group therapy struggle session and then being surprised when it doesn't deliver the results they desire.

If you're gonna say that you represent an entire race at least make sure that you're doing a good job of making smart moves and don't have temper tantrums (cough cough Deshaun cough).

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rhutton125
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In reply to Albatross Necklace • 7:13a, 12/3/21
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We didn't know the details of the challenge though, right? As far as she knew it could have been a 5-hour juggling session or something.
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In reply to rhutton125 • 7:34a, 12/3/21
rhutton125 said:
We didn't know the details of the challenge though, right? As far as she knew it could have been a 5-hour juggling session or something.
Do or Die was described as being "pure chance". We didn't know the specifics but we knew it didn't require any skill or talent.

The bigger point is that when there is a target on you, you make big moves rather than sit out and do nothing, especially if you feel the "pressure to represent your race well".

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KCup17
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8:17a, 12/3/21
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Aside from Ricard or Xander its really hard to say that any of the contestants have made a big move. And Xander's move wasn't that big as much as it was a nullification of an advantage. I expect these next few episodes the group to start really gunning for Ricard.
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The Porkchop Express
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In reply to Albatross Necklace • 9:56a, 12/3/21
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Albatross Necklace said:
rhutton125 said:
We didn't know the details of the challenge though, right? As far as she knew it could have been a 5-hour juggling session or something.
Do or Die was described as being "pure chance". We didn't know the specifics but we knew it didn't require any skill or talent.

The bigger point is that when there is a target on you, you make big moves rather than sit out and do nothing, especially if you feel the "pressure to represent your race well".

That's a really smart point. It reminds me of a few years ago when Rick Devens looked like he was going to win it all if he got to the end, so the eventual winner, whose name ironically escapes me now, took on Rick in the fire-making contest at the final tribal in order to leverage the big move he felt his game was lacking. And it paid off.

Lianna definitely proved that Shan was guiding her ship for her by having zero strategy going into the last tribal. It might have been edited for effect, but the way she reacted when Probst said it was the last night you could do the 1 in 6 roll the dice thing suggested she was clueless as to that option running out. Once DeShawn saved himself, the idea that she thought she was still going to be safe was really ignorant.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 10:01a, 12/3/21
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That's a really smart point. It reminds me of a few years ago when Rick Devens looked like he was going to win it all if he got to the end, so the eventual winner, whose name ironically escapes me now, took on Rick in the fire-making contest at the final tribal in order to leverage the big move he felt his game was lacking. And it paid off.
That game was flawed. The dude sat on around on an island with the jury, not playing the game for 15 days, then made big moves, and then won.

The whole concept was flawed putting the jury together that long with people that might return to the game.

Just my thoughts.
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In reply to Rudyjax • 2:13p, 12/3/21
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Aye Davanita said:
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That's a really smart point. It reminds me of a few years ago when Rick Devens looked like he was going to win it all if he got to the end, so the eventual winner, whose name ironically escapes me now, took on Rick in the fire-making contest at the final tribal in order to leverage the big move he felt his game was lacking. And it paid off.
That game was flawed. The dude sat on around on an island with the jury, not playing the game for 15 days, then made big moves, and then won.

The whole concept was flawed putting the jury together that long with people that might return to the game.

Just my thoughts.
Agreed that season was weird, but my point was more about making your power play, not just sitting around hoping something good happens.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 2:29p, 12/3/21
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helloimustbegoing said:
Aye Davanita said:
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That's a really smart point. It reminds me of a few years ago when Rick Devens looked like he was going to win it all if he got to the end, so the eventual winner, whose name ironically escapes me now, took on Rick in the fire-making contest at the final tribal in order to leverage the big move he felt his game was lacking. And it paid off.
That game was flawed. The dude sat on around on an island with the jury, not playing the game for 15 days, then made big moves, and then won.

The whole concept was flawed putting the jury together that long with people that might return to the game.

Just my thoughts.
Agreed that season was weird, but my point was more about making your power play, not just sitting around hoping something good happens.
Oh I know...i just hate that season and him be rewarded for a power play after not playing the game.
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4:14p, 12/3/21
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He had a lot of advantages going in starting with the fact that he knew that Lauren had an idol (which was Kelly's fault but still) he was able to use that information along with getting an idol after going back in to buy a couple tribals. Gavin was in the game the whole time winning when he needed to win and never got a vote. I think Gavin was robbed big time. Reason why a lot of them voted for Chris........because he took care of us on the edge. Ugh. That was the worst ending of Survivor that I've seen.
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In reply to Albatross Necklace • 4:29p, 12/3/21
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Albatross Necklace said:
Now the odds for that were not great (1/3), but its much better than the Shot in the Dark (1/6)
In truth, because we now know it was the Monty Hall problem the odds of the "Do or Die" are actually 2/3. That's a good bet if you were on the potential chopping block. Obviously he had no way of knowing that as it was a complete surprise.
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In reply to emoney • 4:43p, 12/3/21
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emoney said:
He had a lot of advantages going in starting with the fact that he knew that Lauren had an idol (which was Kelly's fault but still) he was able to use that information along with getting an idol after going back in to buy a couple tribals. Gavin was in the game the whole time winning when he needed to win and never got a vote. I think Gavin was robbed big time. Reason why a lot of them voted for Chris........because he took care of us on the edge. Ugh. That was the worst ending of Survivor that I've seen.
He literally did nothing all day but hang out with the jury and then pulled a "big move."

He wasn't playing the game. He was fishing and lying around and tending the fire. And bonding with the jury. There's something to be said about that game, but it's not the same game.
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In reply to Longhorn Nation • 9:18p, 12/6/21
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Longhorn Nation said:
If I want to watch this woke crap, I'll watch something else. And it's awfully hypocritical to say you want to live in a color-blind society, but have a final 4 alliance based solely on color. I'm close to being done with this show.
You may have a point….it just doesn't apply here. I don't think anyone on the show talked about their wish for a color blind society. In fact, I think this type of thinking has become a bit pass for most progressive minded people. They believe that race should be acknowledged. And also, it wasn't much of a final four alliance, as two have been voted out by the others.
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7:58p, 12/8/21
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Deshawn is the sloppiest smart player I can think of. He's as much a goat as Heather is at this point.
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8:51p, 12/8/21
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I think the guy that makes it to 3 wins.
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In reply to rhutton125 • 8:21a, 12/9/21
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Heather is the goat of the season even though Erika for some reason thinks that Heather is a threat to her game. I don't see how Deshawn is a goat just because he threw Erika under the bus. She is one vote. Heather is probably appreciative that he did that as it seems likes he is looking out for her. As it stands right now, he beats the girls in a final and maybe Xander depending on how everything is spun in the final tribal. Ricard views Deshawn as his competition so if he doesn't make it to the final, he probably votes for Deshawn too. I think the way Deshawn read the group, he thought he was going so maybe he thought if he can make his target bigger, it would disappear and possibly have them think what you were thinking watching it in that he is making himself unlikeable to everyone else in the group, lessening his threat level for the end of the game. If it doesn't work and he still went home, he probably hoped it would turn people against Erika and turn attention away from Danny.

I think the plan was always Danny and they are just leaving Deshawn there to beat Ricard like Xander mentioned in the middle of the episode. Ricard probably just went along with it because that's what Xander preferred and he views him as being loyal to him.
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In reply to emoney • 9:15a, 12/9/21
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Apparently Xander is getting a really good edit. No one likes him and he's a goat. So you have 3 who can win and two goats.
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In reply to Rudyjax • 10:06a, 12/9/21
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No one likes him and he's a goat.
Source?
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10:09a, 12/9/21
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I can't see a path for a DeShawn win at this point. Who's vote is he going to get? Maybe Danny? Feels like Ricard and Xander should be gunning for each other in the next vote, and the winner should win the show.
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In reply to Albatross Necklace • 10:12a, 12/9/21
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Albatross Necklace said:
Aye Davanita said:
No one likes him and he's a goat.
Source?
I read it on twitter. it was from someone who said they had an inside source. Who knows the veracity.
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10:15a, 12/9/21
Sidenote:

It was funny to hear a professional athlete complain that a flight attendant is a challenge beast.

Goes to show that even the Survivor "physical" challenges are more about balance and concentration than actual physical skill.
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10:15a, 12/9/21
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After last nights vote there are no alliances left. It such an interesting dynamic.

I really think Deshaun and Danny messed up. Had they thought through the voting situation better they could have put 2 votes on Xander and then it would have been a 3 way tie. I think had that situation occurred most everyone would have chosen to blindside Xander who is holding an Idol. I also don't know why people haven't gone idol hunting after Shan and Naseer both left with Idols. It can be assumed that there are 2 idols hidden on the island.
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In reply to Albatross Necklace • 10:28a, 12/9/21
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Albatross Necklace said:
Sidenote:

It was funny to hear a professional athlete complain that a flight attendant is a challenge beast.

Goes to show that even the Survivor "physical" challenges are more about balance and concentration than actual physical skill.
That flight attendant was a professional dancer. So, he's every bit as athletic as Danny, just in other ways.
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3:21p, 12/9/21
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I think if Ricard goes, Deshawn absolutely has a path to win. Besides Erika, I can see everyone else voting for Deshawn in the end. Xander needs to make a move. If he can be the one to make Ricard feel like he is targeting Deshawn and get Ricard out then I can see Xander winning. I think the fire making challenge could win it for Xander or Deshawn. If Ricard gets to the end, it's over.
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3:28p, 12/9/21
IMO, this is the most unlikeable cast in history. Of the 5 left, I'm pulling for the only person that doesn't irritate me - Xander.

This season could go down as the most undeserving winner ever. (who currently holds that title?)
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