So Erika wins. Congrats?

Same. Hindsight being 20/20, the better move would have been to take Heather and make Erika and Deshaun make fire.

Erika got 5 votes and deshawn got 1. Jeff didn't read the other two. I figured Naseer at least would have voted for Xander based on his praise of him in the jury.

Strategic blunder by Xander telling Erika he was taking her to final 3 before he actually found out she couldn't make fire that well. I think he felt obligated to honor his word then when he found out she couldn't make it.

The final vote was one for Deshaun, and the rest for Erika. I find that to be shocking.
If there were any votes for Xander, they would have been read.

We never know what these people on the island are actually like until we start reading interviews and things. People said the exit-interviewees didn't seem to think highly of Xander's gameplay.

Someone may look good on TV but they may just be annoying as **** in person for all we know. Michael Skupin is a good example - somewhat likeable on TV, then it turns out nobody respects him at all. (And that's before he went to jail for kiddy porn)

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We never know what these people on the island are actually like until we start reading interviews and things. People said the exit-interviewees didn't seem to think highly of Xander's gameplay.

Someone may look good on TV but they may just be annoying as **** in person for all we know. Michael Skupin is a good example - somewhat likeable on TV, then it turns out nobody respects him at all. (And that's before he went to jail for kiddy porn)

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Exactly. He got a really good edit.

Second and third place get some prize money. Not sure what the difference is in winnings but to be more fair they should have the votes done on a ranking system 1 to 3. Feels like then Xander would have gotten second place and his gameplay rewarded commensurate with that. I feel like most of the jury would have voted him second.

My 14 year old is pissed. "She played so bad they didn't even give her a winners edit."

Scores

1. Erika 5
2. DeShawn 4
3. Xander 3
4. Heather 2
5. Ricard 1


helloimustbegoing - 7 points (Erika & Heather)
tjack16 - 1 point (Ricard)
rhutton125 - 1 point (Ricard)
Counterpoint - 7 points (Deshawn, Heather, Ricard)
emoney - 0 points
Aye Davanita - you said Ricard at 5 and accurately predicted that Xander would win immunity at 4, but I don't think you made the rest of your picks, or I didn't see them.

For my 2 cents, if you want to see Survivor as a woke, let's celebrate minorities-fest, that's what it's going to look like. If you want to see it as Jeff Probst doing enough so he doesn't get Chris Harrison-ed, that's what it's going to look like. If you see it as a pure fun social competition, that's what you'll see.

Enjoyed the season, happy the next one is already less than 3 months away. Maybe we can get the pick'em going again for the next season.

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Scores

1. Erika 5
2. DeShawn 4
3. Xander 3
4. Heather 2
5. Ricard 1


helloimustbegoing - 7 points (Erika & Heather)
tjack16 - 1 point (Ricard)
rhutton125 - 1 point (Ricard)
Counterpoint - 7 points (Deshawn, Heather, Ricard)
emoney - 0 points
Aye Davanita - you said Ricard at 5 and accurately predicted that Xander would win immunity at 4, but I don't think you made the rest of your picks, or I didn't see them.

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So do you and I need to build fire now?

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Aye Davanita - you said Ricard at 5 and accurately predicted that Xander would win immunity at 4, but I don't think you made the rest of your picks, or I didn't see them.

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Yeah, i had it all but forgot to post it.

Can't believe Xander took Erika with him into the final. Especially after watching her struggle to make fire. But honestly did any of those players actually make a move the entire game? Xander has his idol fake, Erika had what?? the pseudo move to out Shan. Not really that was more Ricard. Deshawn? Nothing to note. His big move was to blindside Shan but that move again was pushed by Ricard.

This may just be my take but I really don't think any of the finalist were that impressive. The made it to the final mainly since there were bigger threats than them.

When did they start letting Canadians play?

Expand the audience to the 38m Canadians or are they out of Americans to cast?

Erica faked the fire building tryout to fool Zander. The winning move.

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Can't believe Xander took Erika with him into the final. Especially after watching her struggle to make fire. But honestly did any of those players actually make a move the entire game? Xander has his idol fake, Erika had what?? the pseudo move to out Shan. Not really that was more Ricard. Deshawn? Nothing to note. His big move was to blindside Shan but that move again was pushed by Ricard.

This may just be my take but I really don't think any of the finalist were that impressive. The made it to the final mainly since there were bigger threats than them.

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I don't think this was the actual strategy, but it's at least worth a discussion - Xander has the idol, everyone knows he has the idol, but they never make a move to flush it out - does that indirectly weaken his case to win the game at the end? At no point does he ever feel the fear to make a big move because he knows he has the get out of jail free card.

He had the nice thing early keeping his idol from LIana, but after that he was just sort of a vote until he won the last immunity challenge. I don't think anyone planned that to happen, but it's an interesting thought - let a big stuff player coast through the game not involved in the strategy and then at the end their resume is paper thin.

https://tvline.com/lists/survivor-seasons-ranked-worst-best-photos/survivor-micronesia-fans-vs-favorites-season-16/

Almost dead middle for Survivor 41

Coming in at #22

I believe this is the first time Canadians were able to apply for Survivor. Shan and Erica were the ones who made the cast this season.

Some think Xander had a good edit but I always thought it was a finalist edit at best. I said it before but I think the edit only showed Xander tell us about all these moves he helped make but the editors didn't show us him even been that involved. As someone else said above, he was just a vote. It's great to win idols and advantage but his best play in the game was with a fake idol. His best read ended up being something he didn't even realize which is he seemed to know he couldn't trust Liana but he didn't tell that to Liana when she asked about his reads in final tribal so maybe it was just how it was edited? Xander thought taking Erika would rob her of a moment to show the jury but he needed to go to fire against Erika and take her out of the game himself along with that moment. I don't think Erika was faking not being able to make fire, unless she is claiming that after the fact.

A popular thought was Shan always had to get what she wanted but from the merge on, who did she want out: Xander, Erika, and Heather, 3 of the final four and the only reason why she wasn't targeting Deshawn was because of her alliance with him. Ricard and Shan was definitely the key players in this season and once they were both out, it was anyone's game (except Heather)

I was trying to read the edit on how the final five was going to go and it seemed like only Ricard had a good edit at that point. I kind of cancelled out Erika as the winner when they showed her thinking that her game was comparable to Heather. I couldn't figure out why the editors would show us that but it kind of made sense in the finale. I guess the edit may have made her out to fit the description she gave in final tribal of herself in a board room being seen as an intern when in fact she is running the meeting.

My main issue I have with the rules of Survivor is that the winner is voted on by all the b*tt-hurt runner-ups. The most deserving often loses out to the finalist that didn't irritate the jury. I have a hard time thinking Erica outwitted or outplayed all others. But at least Deshawn didn't ride the BLM alliance into the million$.

So, the handsome white male didn't get any votes?

He must've played poorly…

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Can't believe Xander took Erika with him into the final. Especially after watching her struggle to make fire. But honestly did any of those players actually make a move the entire game? Xander has his idol fake, Erika had what?? the pseudo move to out Shan. Not really that was more Ricard. Deshawn? Nothing to note. His big move was to blindside Shan but that move again was pushed by Ricard.

This may just be my take but I really don't think any of the finalist were that impressive. The made it to the final mainly since there were bigger threats than them.

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Erika's one big move was flipping the game when she made the team that won immunity have to go to tribal council. Other than that, she didn't have much.

What a pathetic winner. Did absolutely nothing.

so ive only half watched this season while my wife watched on DVR as i got turned off way early on the woke BS and pregnant husbands

- this was the dumbest season ive ever seen.
- how do these dummies not go out and catch a single fish etc like other seasons?
- all of the finalists were terrible - Xanders hair tuft really irks me.

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What a pathetic winner. Did absolutely nothing.

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I thought for sure Xander (spelling?) had the win and was disappointed in the ending. I feel like there were too many advantages this season, wasn't a huge fan of the gambling thing.

Ricard
Liana
Shan were all still major butt hurt

and i thought very aggressive in the questioning of Xander

My beef with this season: if you were to spend 2-3 minutes summarizing it for someone, you might not even mention Erika at all. And yet that's not a knock against her. I don't think the jury got it wrong. You don't accidentally win 7-1. I think the edit really did her a disservice.

There are a few winners out there where the players themselves say "amazing social game" but you don't really SEE that on screen. So I can't really say if she was a bad winner or if Xander deserved it more (clearly the jury didn't love his game) - but the way the season was edited, people are right in being underwhelmed.

In short - she got a Purple Edit.

Something that may have played a role in that is that this season was only 26 days long, as opposed to the normal 39. That's nearly two weeks of footage that wasn't shot this season. So there likely wasn't enough footage of Erika to put a "winner's edit" together.

As others have said, this season was perfectly mediocre.

Yeah it needs to go back to 39 days.

Why mess with a formula that was working and shorten it? I'm sure 42 will be shortened as well but future seasons need to go back to full length

I agree that 39 days is much, much better, but from what I've gathered, it's unlikely for a couple reasons. First Fiji's filming season is somewhat limited. Compound that with Fiji's required quarantine procedures, it really limits how long they can go with everything set up (it's a logical fallacy to me as the crew could start set up and start quarantine before they would normally begin filming, but that's an excuse I've heard).

Secondly, CBS/ production got the same amount of income for 30% less time on location. That equals tons of savings. Despite their best attempts to convince the people otherwise, the bottom line is still king.