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Accidental shooting on movie set
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Important update about what happened on the set from the NY Times. https://t.co/eD3tG1T2uY pic.twitter.com/iFtzieXuYr
— Mark Harris (@MarkHarrisNYC) October 22, 2021
Someone lost their life for what would have been a straight to streaming 62% on RT movie.
“There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush” -- a crewmember https://t.co/PfZYLoWdDm
— Ryan Faughnder (@RFaughnder) October 22, 2021
Re: Baldwin, I'll say this…
As a producer, he *is* likely partially to blame here. Maybe not for this specific incident, but for the on set atmosphere and attitude that *led* to the incident.
That said, many stars who are also producers are often producers in name only, and don't have as much say-so or input into the day-to-day operations as the "real" producers, the director, etc. For all we know, he was raising the same concerns as every one else. In other words, where Baldwin falls on that spectrum, on this movie, we don't yet know, and shouldn't rush to judge until we have more facts.
As a producer, he *is* likely partially to blame here. Maybe not for this specific incident, but for the on set atmosphere and attitude that *led* to the incident.
That said, many stars who are also producers are often producers in name only, and don't have as much say-so or input into the day-to-day operations as the "real" producers, the director, etc. For all we know, he was raising the same concerns as every one else. In other words, where Baldwin falls on that spectrum, on this movie, we don't yet know, and shouldn't rush to judge until we have more facts.
Some of y'all need some therapy.
Alec Baldwin was handed a loaded weapon by an AD who indicated it was safe to use in the moments before he fatally shot a cinematographer, court records show. The AD did not know the prop gun was loaded with live rounds, according to a warrant https://t.co/MUs7NoEoQI
— The Hollywood Reporter (@THR) October 23, 2021
Thank you, staff.
The gun misfired previously TWICE yet they still made the conscious decision to keep using it. It's not a true "aw shucks" moment
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
First off: the GUN wasn't the problem. It was the rounds put in it. That you don't understand that tells me you really shouldn't be talking anymore.BenFiasco14 said:
The gun misfired previously TWICE yet they still made the conscious decision to keep using it. It's not a true "aw shucks" moment
And who is this "they" you mention? Because, it sure sounds to me like you are saying that this mysterious "they" is the one who you feel should be shot as punishment.
I seriously doubt that this person was Alec Baldwin, since he was just using the equipment handed to him by others.
BenFiasco14 said:
The gun misfired previously TWICE yet they still made the conscious decision to keep using it. It's not a true "aw shucks" moment
Which is OBVIOUSLY a valid concern. And when they do indeed discover the person, or persons, who blatantly pushed on and ignored the previous misfiring incidents, they should absolutely be prosecuted/sued to whatever degree is appropriate. But again, we have NO IDEA if Baldwin was one of those people or not.
This thread gon' get gone.
[Poster will get gone. -Staff]
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TCTTS said:BenFiasco14 said:
The gun misfired previously TWICE yet they still made the conscious decision to keep using it. It's not a true "aw shucks" moment
Which is OBVIOUSLY a valid concern. And when they do indeed discover the person, or persons, who blatantly pushed on and ignored the previous misfiring incidents, they should absolutely be prosecuted/sued to whatever degree is appropriate. But again, we have NO IDEA if Baldwin was one of those people or not.
I can live with that.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
I'm one of the most liberal guys here. Baldwin is talented but has always obviously been a ******bag . Occams razor tells us the movie he is producing wasn't following safety protocols leading to him shoot a guy. He probably will be a held accountable. I'm fine with everything he gets from partisan hacks because he is a partisan hack himself. He deserves it and more if this dude who views himself as a democrat was overseeing anti-worker anti-union activities on his movie.
TCTTS said:
It's so crazy how someone like Baldwin can have such a deep, illustrious career, be as serious as he was on screen at times, be as funny as he was on screen at times, be the Trump guy, be known as the exaggerated caricature of elitisms certain politically-obsessed minds hate so much - all of which gave him such a full identity, in the twilight of his career - and yet, now, in the blink of an eye, such a horribly tragic event will be THE thing that forever defines him.
Nope. I've hated him for 20 plus years and it topped out with his phone call to his daughter.
Brilliant actor. Piece of **** human.
So it's sounding like Baldwin could *potentially* face an involuntary manslaughter charge, but as a producer, NOT as the actor who fired the gun. If that's the case, then I imagine any producer involved, on set, is just as liable, and could face the same consequences.
Wow. That's huge.
Based on theoretical speculation I'm seeing from legal experts. Basically, he's not liable as an actor, but *could be* way more liable as a producer, depending on what they find.
I'm speculating, but it does sound like there was some negligence and creating an unsafe work environment.
Oh, 100%. Some combination of producers is absolutely responsible for the inexcusable working conditions that led to this tragedy.
I imagine the only caveat would be, which is what I was talking about earlier, is if Baldwin was, say, the lone producer taking the side of the crew, voicing his concerns as well, and there was evidence/records of those concerns, but he was basically overruled in the end. Something along those lines.
Chances are he was part of the problem, though.
I imagine the only caveat would be, which is what I was talking about earlier, is if Baldwin was, say, the lone producer taking the side of the crew, voicing his concerns as well, and there was evidence/records of those concerns, but he was basically overruled in the end. Something along those lines.
Chances are he was part of the problem, though.
My money is he thought the crew was a bunch of rude, thoughtless little pigs
That's why so many people are jumping him over this - Sort of a "What goes around, comes around" sentiment.Kevin the 3-legged dog said:TCTTS said:
It's so crazy how someone like Baldwin can have such a deep, illustrious career, be as serious as he was on screen at times, be as funny as he was on screen at times, be the Trump guy, be known as the exaggerated caricature of elitisms certain politically-obsessed minds hate so much - all of which gave him such a full identity, in the twilight of his career - and yet, now, in the blink of an eye, such a horribly tragic event will be THE thing that forever defines him.
Nope. I've hated him for 20 plus years and it topped out with his phone call to his daughter.
Brilliant actor. Piece of **** human.
Or, in other words, "karma is a beotch."
So we can't cite Baldwin being a bully and speculate that it's possible that played a role in the circumstances on the set? The guy has admitted that he's a bully. We can't hope the family soaks those responsible for all they are worth - which an on-set producer on a reportedly chaotic, dangerous set seems like a damn good candidate
Here's my thoughts regarding the alec baldwin shooting. If it happened somewhere other than on a movie set, alec baldwin (as the person who pulled the trigger) would probably be charged with 2nd degree murder (or negligent homicde at a minimum) and potentially plea bargained down to manslaughter. The asst director (as the person who loaded the gun and handed it to the shooter) would be charged as an accessory to Murder in the 2nd degree, with the possibility of lesser charges
If Alec Baldwin was anti-union, then he at least that as has one redeeming quality.
Pretty much. Say a couple of yahoos are filming a TikTok in their living room and this scenario happens, triggerman is definitely going to jail.
Now obviously, the initial defense to that would be "well, we've got trained professionals on site that reliably ensure safety for decades, how could I have known?". However, depending on what happened with the staff, if that was not the case at the time of the incident and/or there were other firearm safety issues on the set preceding this, then well, you are basically a TikTok yahoo
One of the prop guys I follow on TikTok mentioned that they were both standing behind a plexiglass shield which is designed to stop wadding, debris, etc. So a live round would have probably gone straight through that.
I kept hearing this gun being referred to as a "prop gun".
Does that just mean that it was an actual functioning gun that was owned by the prop department or was it a gun that wasnt supposed to be capable of firing a live round?
Does that just mean that it was an actual functioning gun that was owned by the prop department or was it a gun that wasnt supposed to be capable of firing a live round?
Pretty sure that's all that "prop" means. Short for property. Seen some discussion of that question elsewhere.Quote:
owned by the prop department
This is something that is making me mad about all of this… Hollywood largely does not use prop guns, rather guns as props. I am hoping this is something that changes as a result of this incident along with making use of the "Always" rules when handling guns on set.
Props to History had a good explanation as to why Baldwin didn't check the gun. Essentially it's not his job and the process for filming doesn't work like that
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8D2xAda/
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8D2xAda/
I don't know enough about movie special effects to know whether this would significantly impact the look and feel of gun use in movies; however, is it possible that this leads to the industry just doing away with using blanks altogether?
While it is only a total of 3 deaths in 40 years from what I have read ,unless I'm missing a few (which is certainly possible), it is 3 deaths that should absolutely have never happened. This is in medicine what we would call a "never event" (think wrong limb surgery, wrong patient surgery, etc.). These events usually lead to significant institutional policy changes when they occur. I get Brandon Lee's death not really changing much due there not really being an alternative at the time for gun special effects; however, I just don't see why there is a need to continue using blanks at this point when I would presume CGI and sound mixing could provide a reliable and safer alternative. But I have no clue what I'm talking about, so maybe someone more familiar with special effects work will tell me why this isn't an option.
While it is only a total of 3 deaths in 40 years from what I have read ,unless I'm missing a few (which is certainly possible), it is 3 deaths that should absolutely have never happened. This is in medicine what we would call a "never event" (think wrong limb surgery, wrong patient surgery, etc.). These events usually lead to significant institutional policy changes when they occur. I get Brandon Lee's death not really changing much due there not really being an alternative at the time for gun special effects; however, I just don't see why there is a need to continue using blanks at this point when I would presume CGI and sound mixing could provide a reliable and safer alternative. But I have no clue what I'm talking about, so maybe someone more familiar with special effects work will tell me why this isn't an option.
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