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Agree. She was given a title so the production could be compliant but she was definitely not an armorer nor firearms professional of any kind. I wouldn't even say she is an amateur or beginner. She had zero business handling weapons or ammunition in a professional setting.

Seems to me that if this accident didn't happen here, it would have happened somewhere else down the line.
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Target practice with supposed prop guns and live ammo on site. Un-****ing-believable
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Yea. There is definitely not a stop work authority system on the set, that's for sure.
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I found this Twitter thread really informative. Its from an actual armorer and talks about the procedures they use on set. It doesn't get into the incident itself or speculation. Just info on the whole process.

https://twitter.com/sl_huang/status/1451797888158375937?t=5TuBBVHPSqkdbCpg-Aj3PQ&s=19
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BenFiasco14 said:

https://www.tmz.com/2021/10/23/alec-baldwin-rust-gun-accident-used-off-set-target-practice/
This is exact scenario that I told my wife last night that probably happened here.

They most likely were using this gun for both live fire and prop fire. Because of that they were storing live ammunition with fake ammunition and the girl simply picked up the wrong ammo and loaded it.

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There's also this ... one source who was on set and familiar with the goings-on of the crew tells us that when cops showed up, they found live ammo and blanks were being stored in the same area -- another possible explanation for how an actual bullet slipped got in the gun.
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YouBet said:

BenFiasco14 said:

https://www.tmz.com/2021/10/23/alec-baldwin-rust-gun-accident-used-off-set-target-practice/
This is exact scenario that I told my wife last night that probably happened here.

They most likely were using this gun for both live fire and prop fire. Because of that they were storing live ammunition with fake ammunition and the girl simply picked up the wrong ammo and loaded it.

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There's also this ... one source who was on set and familiar with the goings-on of the crew tells us that when cops showed up, they found live ammo and blanks were being stored in the same area -- another possible explanation for how an actual bullet slipped got in the gun.

That's just dumb.

I feel like the end result of this will be that live ammo is not allowed on sets, which I feel like should have been common sense.
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There's also this ... one source who was on set and familiar with the goings-on of the crew tells us that when cops showed up, they found live ammo and blanks were being stored in the same area -- another possible explanation for how an actual bullet slipped got in the gun.
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Fenrir said:

YouBet said:

BenFiasco14 said:

https://www.tmz.com/2021/10/23/alec-baldwin-rust-gun-accident-used-off-set-target-practice/
This is exact scenario that I told my wife last night that probably happened here.

They most likely were using this gun for both live fire and prop fire. Because of that they were storing live ammunition with fake ammunition and the girl simply picked up the wrong ammo and loaded it.

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There's also this ... one source who was on set and familiar with the goings-on of the crew tells us that when cops showed up, they found live ammo and blanks were being stored in the same area -- another possible explanation for how an actual bullet slipped got in the gun.

That's just dumb.

I feel like the end result of this will be that live ammo is not allowed on sets, which I feel like should have been common sense.
I would assume it's technically not allowed but there where such lack of oversight here that rules didn't matter. I don't know if live ammo is already banned on movie sets though.
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Quoting myself from elsewhere… I don't think this is a really profound post or anything, but something to remember….


The armorer should have known better than to take the job, but her career is over, she's responsible for a death (even if someone else ends up paying the bill she knows it's her fault), and she's living with all this knowing that everyone is talking about how terrible she is with the entire representation of her as a person being silly green-haired goofing off pictures, plus an interview where she says she's afraid of her job. She may have only gone into the field in the first place because it's what her dad did.

Leaving aside everything else, I can't imagine what she as a person is living through today.
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So 2 people were hit. Baldwin fired off 2 rounds at 2 different people?
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Aust Ag said:

So 2 people were hit. Baldwin fired off 2 rounds at 2 different people?
No, another single-bullet theory.
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torrid said:

Aust Ag said:

So 2 people were hit. Baldwin fired off 2 rounds at 2 different people?
No, another single-bullet theory.
From what I've read, the round went through the DP and into the director.
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Anyone heard what caliber the revolver was? Some of from that period in history over-penetrate in a big way.
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Fenrir said:



That's just dumb.

I feel like the end result of this will be that live ammo is not allowed on sets, which I feel like should have been common sense.
I mean... that should be the case, already. Why the hell is there live ammo on set? Stored with blanks is wrong enough. Even having them onset is so incredibly stupid.
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Stolen from another board. There appears to have been zero safety culture on set if this is true. It also mentions that armorers are licensed. If this girl was licensed, id imagine the issuing body will get some serious heat. The lack of a license may be why she was non union though, if thats the case.


Complaints on another film project about the Assistant Director that gave the gun to Baldwin.

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An assistant director on the film set of "Rust" was the subject of complaints over safety and his behavior on set during two productions in 2019, two people who worked closely with him tell CNN.

The complaints against assistant director Dave Halls include a disregard for safety protocols for weapons and pyrotechnics use, blocked fire lanes and exits, and instances of inappropriately sexual behavior in the workplace.

Halls was identified in court documents as the assistant director who handed actor Alec Baldwin a prop firearm, which when fired struck cinematographer Halyna Hutchins with a live round. Hutchins was later pronounced dead at a New Mexico hospital.


Maggie Goll, an IATSE Local 44 prop maker and licensed pyrotechnician, said in a statement to CNN that while working on Hulu's "Into the Dark" Anthology Series in February and May of 2019, Halls neglected to hold safety meetings and consistently failed to announce the presence of a firearm on set to the crew, as is protocol.
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"The only reason the crew was made aware of a weapon's presence was because the assistant prop master demanded Dave acknowledge and announce the situation each day," Goll's statement reads.


She adds that the prop master would "announce each day when a gun would be required on camera, the disposition of that weapon -- whether it was a rubber/plastic replica, a non-firing option, or a 'cold' functional, but unloaded option, allowing anyone to inspect said weapon prior to bringing it to set and presenting it to the talent. (...) The Prop Master frequently admonished Dave for dismissing the talent without returning props, weapon included, or failing to make safety announcements."

Goll's statement also describes an instance where a licensed pyrotechnician had a medical emergency on set and Halls asked her to continue with the shoot.


"I told him they are free to film whatever they want, but that there would be no fire or sparks, etc., until the medic, fire safety officer, and all of my crewmates were safely back on set," Goll details.
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A crew member who also worked in the productions but requested to not be named for fear of retaliation corroborated Goll's accounts, saying that when Halls did hold safety meetings, they were short and he was dismissive, saying the guns used would be the same as the production always uses, and questioning why they'd have to hold the meetings in the first place.

The crew member also said Halls complained about having a gun "cleared" (inspected by a licensed professional on set, such as an armorer) for a scene where an actress would aim the gun to her own head and pull the trigger.
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The gun was a revolver, no?

I can see an automatic misfiring, but a revolver is a manual gun.

And the shot that went went thru the girl hit the guy? Or was it a ricochet?

I personally believe they were screwing around with the gun, with live ammo and got mixed up because none of them are gun people and have no idea about gun discipline and safety.

I'm sure the truth is out there but not being made known to the public - yet.

Nothing worse than idiots with guns.
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TCTTS said:




Pretty much what most expected it seems like. Gross negligence by several people who were unfit to be doing the job that they were doing. The armorer stating she didn't feel ready is the clincher. Loading blanks by hand takes all of about maybe 20 to get comfortable with. Mainly just pressing the primer in that can be a little unsettling at first. The fact that she wasn't comfortable doing that, yet in charge of all weapons, is quite telling in my eyes.

The gun being used for recreation/training with real rounds and getting mixed up on the set was the only thing that ever made sense to me from the get go. Seems to be rather open and close to me if true. Think the real questions to be answered now are going to be how the fallout is going to shake out. Think the knives are coming out and people are going to burn...

Sorry, if this has all been mentioned. Haven't read the whole thread yet.
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Sounds like the production was a disaster many times over. Many people abandoned their duties, and it sounds like they had bottom dollar replacements left and right. If Baldwin is a producer, he's gotta be part of the problem here.
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The AD was fired from a previous film when a weapon accidentally went off.
This is going to be ugly when it gets to court.

https://www.cnn.com/entertainment/live-news/rust-shooting-alec-baldwin-10-25-21/h_9c2a06d9c93697074c102da8c252784d
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Rudyjax
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Yeah. That was reported last week.
TCTTS
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Except this latest report has a few new details.

That said, from here on out I will do my best to never make the mistake again of accidentally reporting the same news twice on an internet message board.

Please accept sincerest apologies.

I can and will do better.
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I'll have to thank this incident for leading me down the rabbit hole of "Hilaria Baldwin" and the fact that Alec Baldwin has been married to a white woman that has been faking being a Latina for the last decade.
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The only way this gets crazier is if Alec Baldwin pulls a Dwight.



I think he's gonna be held responsible. Even if only a producer in name only, I think he's toast because of it.
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Thanks for posting this.

As much as I dislike Alec Baldwin for the things that he says, does, and agrees with, and acts -- it looks like he was only really at fault of being the final point of failure in the chain that required gross negligence of an unthinkable manner among several people upstream in production and crew.

Sad all around. How will our legal system sort this out? Its a freaking mess. I think there is still a lot more evidence that will come out.

There's a 50/50 chance or greater that there is film of this happening, but here's the thing about the circumstances of the case.

Even if Alec Baldwin was on camera standing up, drawing a pistol, aiming at the camera, firing, and hitting someone with a slug -- was it his fault? Can you prove intent or anything? I dont think so. Baldwin has been in numerous films involving guns, including my personal favorite The Getaway (1994) where Alec personally helped a 9-year old me see Kim Basinger's milk tanks for the first time --his own WIFE at the time -- Alec you DIRTY DOG! I still remember it to this day. Thanks Alec. Good looking out. You really helped me perfect "The Stranger".

Anyway, someone gave him the gun, someone said it was "cold", another person would have been in charge of inspecting the weapon, another of keeping track of xyz. Where does the fault lie? I dont even know.

This is going to be a strange case.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
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TCTTS said:

Except this latest report has a few new details.

That said, from here on out I will do my best to never make the mistake again of accidentally reporting the same news twice on an internet message board.

Please accept sincerest apologies.

I can and will do better.


Sorry. Didn't mean it harsh.
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He's a producer. He is the upstream and the final point. The former will be the biggest issue for him. Not sure about being able to pin criminal culpability on him, but civil sounds like it could be deservedly massive. He's ultimately responsible for an incapable armorer, and as more stories come out out questionable issues on the set, that's going to fall on who was running the show
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Potentially Bold Take: Alec Baldwin will still work as an actor after this.
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PatAg said:

Potentially Bold Take: Alec Baldwin will still work as an actor after this.


I don't think that's bold at all.
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Bruce Almighty said:

PatAg said:

Potentially Bold Take: Alec Baldwin will still work as an actor after this.


I don't think that's bold at all.
It is if you read this thread and a lot of op eds out there, lol.
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DannyDuberstein said:

He's a producer. He is the upstream and the final point. The former will be the biggest issue for him. Not sure about being able to pin criminal culpability on him, but civil sounds like it could be deservedly massive. He's ultimately responsible for an incapable armorer, and as more stories come out out questionable issues on the set, that's going to fall on who was running the show
Pretty sure producer is below executive producer. Either way you are right, he will have some culpability due to being a producer on the production.
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PatAg said:

Potentially Bold Take: Alec Baldwin will still work as an actor after this.
Unless there is some shocking news of a cover up or the like he will continue to act. He and others will have to write a big check. This isn't a cancelable offense, and IMO, not the worst thing Baldwin has ever done.
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Another Doug said:

PatAg said:

Potentially Bold Take: Alec Baldwin will still work as an actor after this.
Unless there is some shocking news of a cover up or the like he will continue to act. He and others will have to write a big check. This isn't a cancelable offense, and IMO, not the worst thing Baldwin has ever done.


He's done something worse than killing a person?
 
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