Confirmed elsewhere that the storyline will be completely new and what they are calling the "Silver Timeline". This is a means to going off canon and is stated as the exact reason why.

Really don't feel good about this. The show creators are deliberately changing the story to suit whatever goals they want. I was already worried that would not be able to pull off the actual story at all and this makes it so much worse IMO.

I just can't fathom why the deviation from an ensconced and beloved lore line. I don't normally advocate catering to a fan base but for things like this....they probably should. Halo fans are passionate and are the number one demographic that needs to be targeted.

Just have to see how far they truly deviate I guess. Could be small and even work out. Or could be Game of Thrones Season 8 all over again where the writers have no f'ing clue what to do and just end up pissing everyone off....

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Dr. Horrible said:

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Can't be better than red vs blue

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early RVB can never be topped.

"chupa-thingie"

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Through all the sequels...I kept hoping a new vehicle would be named the Chupacabra

This guy's video stating not having a season based on the insurrection tells me the writers aren't that good . That's the kind of material that great writers could thrive on . Political drama was such a major part of GoT and kept it moving while the major outside threats always loomed and created anticipation.

Seems like this is just lowest common denominator, lazy drivel. My interest is waning daily .

Saw the OP and thought I might finally have a reason for getting Paramount+. Read the thread and thinking I'll be saving my money.

Yeah, my excitement is waning. I've tried to stay away from the finer details. Oh well.

Thanks guys...

Was just gonna say this, more or less. I haven't played that much Halo to have an opinion about the story, but it LOOKS incredible. Master Chief couldn't look any more real of they had actually engineered and constructed him in real life. Stunning.

There is so much lore and canon knowledge that this would be fairly easy to put together a series.

Paramount: Nah **** that. This lady is the antagonist

If they wanted to go back to the reason Spartans were created and shown some of the early, pre-MJOLNOR missions against the insurrectionists they could have.

Sets look incredible though. Just have a feeling it isn't gonna work out with bad changes to the story that alienates the fanbase and its on Paramount+ which nobody wants

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There is so much lore and canon knowledge that this would be fairly easy to put together a series.

Paramount: Nah **** that. This lady is the antagonist

If they wanted to go back to the reason Spartans were created and shown some of the early, pre-MJOLNOR missions against the insurrectionists they could have.

Sets look incredible though. Just have a feeling it isn't gonna work out with bad changes to the story that alienates the fanbase and its on Paramount+ which nobody wants

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I wonder if there was somehow some sort of rights issue? Or if they just thought "nah, I can make this better"

Maybe, but I don't see why Microsoft/Xbox/Bungie/343 Industries wouldn't let them use everything.

I am glad they go Jen Taylor to voice Cortana. Kinda bummed to not hear Steve Downes voice Master Chief, but I get it

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I just watched the trailer and thought the exact same thing. It's not "the halo." It's alpha halo, or delta halo, or zeta halo, or one of the seven rings. That's such a lazy, casual-fan thing to have in the trailer.

I guess I'll just use this to post my observations/questions about the trailer too.

I'm sure this has been discussed here a lot and I missed it, but why didn't they get Steve Downes to voice Master Chief? Did he not want to? Is 343 trying to make this feel separate and different from the games since it isn't cannon? This guy's voice is ok I guess but lacks the gravitas of the voice from the games.

I can only assume that blonde/white haired chick is Dr. Halsey. She looks pretty hot and bangable, which is completely inconsistent with the games. Plus she's clearly in her 40s or very early 50s, which is also completely wrong since Master Chief is 47 years old by the events of Halo: CE. If that's not Halsey, then forget I said any of this.

Cortana looks stupid. Trying way too hard there.

I don't mind the short haired chick being the antagonist if that is the case. It might add an interesting twist to the story. The stereotypical bad guys from the Halo games are getting a little old. The prophets, Tartarus, gravemind, the didact, and Escharum/Atriox are all just obviously evil with no depth or complexity to their characters (with the possible exception of gravemind).

I don't know how I feel about this being outside of cannon. Could be a cool addition to the franchise. Could be an absolute abortion.

The CGI looks a tad underwhelming to me. Some of those covenant aliens could easily be from Xbox cutscenes.

That's all I have.

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"Find the Halo, win the war" is a terrible tagline.

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This is shaping up to be the worse scifi show in a long time. They had incredible source material, how could you screw it up this badly?

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This would be the biggest letdown of it all . Knowing what could have been and how friggin easy it woulda been to execute.

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https://poptopic.com.au/news/master-chief-to-take-backseat-to-female-cast-in-halo-live-action-2022/

This is going to be worse than I could have ever imagined.

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The producers decided to take it even one step further and "kick the [so-called] patriarchy in the balls," by having Makee, a female antagonist, reportedly easily defeat Master Chief in a battle. It will be up to Quan Ah to save Master Chief's life and defeat Makee and save the world.

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My only assumption with Steve Downes not voicing Chief is that the actor is going to be in and out of the armor rather than always in it.

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My only assumption with Steve Downes not voicing Chief is that the actor is going to be in and out of the armor rather than always in it.

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Given everything else, him getting out of the armor constantly is not a surprise, they clearly know absolutely nothing about Halo or they just don't care.

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To be fair, in all other media other than the games when he is always in combat, he and other Spartans remove their suits while not on mission like regular soldiers.

Granted then we have the above article that says he's not even the protagonist so who the eff knows. They're gonna ruin this so fast.

Especially since they even went so far as letting Grunts and Jackals eat human prisoners

I thought some of the action in the trailer looked decent

The filmography does look great.

There seems to be a brief glimpse of the Flood in a room with the Covenant human but not attacking her. Will she be able to control the Flood?

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https://poptopic.com.au/news/master-chief-to-take-backseat-to-female-cast-in-halo-live-action-2022/

This is going to be worse than I could have ever imagined.

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The producers decided to take it even one step further and "kick the [so-called] patriarchy in the balls," by having Makee, a female antagonist, reportedly easily defeat Master Chief in a battle. It will be up to Quan Ah to save Master Chief's life and defeat Makee and save the world.

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TCCTS can pontificate but this politicizing scripts into crap heaps are so easy to see from a distance and the flops are so easily avoidable that it almost seems intentional. Do writers really believe that "my rewriting the canon and storyboard will be so much better than the beloved (ENTER FRANCHISE NAME HERE)". Seriously between the books and the games the foundation for a great series is sitting on a pedestal, just ready to take. But this time promoting the agenda will draw tons of viewers and long term fandom, even though agenda first media has never improved upon the franchise that it *******ized, ever.

Look I get liberal sensibilities creep into media given the political slant of creative personalities, but viewers know when their being preached at and they largely want to watch shows and movies to escape their mundane everyday lives. So sticking the viewers noses into a message when they want to be entertained is the fastest way to get viewers to turn off said media. A good story is everything, there may even be a message with the story but the story is everything. For best reference see the Chernobyl miniseries.

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I've never played Halo and I know next to nothing about it. That said, while there are times when some of this stuff *does* need to be re-invented to a degree in order for it translate to the screen, for narrative/episodic/character arc reasons average fans may not sometimes understand, this particular instance does, indeed, sound like an attempt to be far too woke. Though, my guess is it's a bit more complicated than that.

I know first-hand, from experience, that a number of these studios/streamers literally have a quota of the "types" of shows they're trying to make. Like an actual list that's way more specific than you might think. There will be times when we've wanted to pitch something to studio/streamer X and they've essentially told us, "Sorry, but right now we're only looking for fantasy-dramas focusing on Hispanic angels and demons, or comedies about bisexual aliens who start a YouTube cooking show." I'm exaggerating only slightly, but it's always some ridiculously arbitrary thing that goes beyond inclusiveness and into the insane, where some kind of data has told them they need to corner a certain market/demographic, and they've convinced themselves that data is gospel.

I'm well aware that everyone thinks Hollywood sits around brainstorming how they can best preach their liberal agenda to the masses. But I ASSURE you, some kind of numbers/data told them this version would somehow be the most advantageous to their bottom line. Now, whoever compiled that data no doubt also has their head up their ass, and used some kind of flawed/bias polling system or whatever. But all I'm saying is, Viacom/CBS/Paramount likely saw a way for this property to be molded into one of the boxes that needed checking, and this was the result - a result they somehow genuinely believe will earn them the most money/eyeballs, or corner a demographic they currently don't have that they're convinced they need. Either way, it's not solely to preach and earn the most woke points.

So it sounds more like the studios/parent companies are chasing an ESG score and listening too much to the asshat data teams you described.

I suppose my next question would be then, does divide and conquer the demographics really work in making high budget film-making? If the goal was monetization, wouldn't the appeal be to the core established fanbase(that will buy the merchandise and the 4k Bluray boxset with director commentary) and then to a larger audience? Wouldn't the payoff be best in the long-term? In this case, the Halo series probably appeals best to 20-45 year old males(of any orientation and race) given when the game series launched and was most popular. But it seems they're doing the opposite, appealing towards seemingly unrelated demographics(i.e. kick the patriarchy in the nuts). Are they just assuming that the largely male demographic would come watch anyway?

I'm off in speculation now but really seems that franchise reboots and continuations these days largely do not have staying power in the zeitgeist. For instance I'd bet that on Disney+ that the original Star Wars Trilogy and even the Prequel trilogy have far more views across all demographics than the new movies. It's not that they're bad movies(I liked Rogue One and Solo), it's that they're utterly forgettable despite chasing women and minorities with their casting. Is there really a benefit to chasing $500M now that will diminish returns with fewer repeat views, versus a build up to $4B over 30 years with a smaller budget but better staying power due to a better movie(Lucasfilm pre-purchase)?

I suppose a related question is that, does casting (Fill in blank demographic) really guarantee viewers in the long term or does pandering in the short term get the quick buck and jump to the next franchise really pay off better? Because a decade from now they won't be rebooting or piggybacking the all female Ghostbusters or the new Star Wars Trilogy or Star Trek Discovery. In the meantime they will have run off their core fan-groups for said franchises because they chased the asshats' data over an original well written story that will merit repeat views.

I think the film business will be completely different in a few decades because every large and reliable fan base out there will have been bleed dry(or they'll die of old age) and there will be nothing within the last few decades worth rebooting. Sorry I really didn't mean to rant...