Claude! said:
Also folks, keep in mind that TCTTS is the same man who didn't know what Cruella wanted with those Dalmatians. Forgetting who Isildur is doesn't really top the list.
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That kind sucks, doesn't it? Not to be able to read for fun and pleasure.
I mean, I find it humorous you don't remember some of these characters since you're "in the industry" but in reality, who gives a flip...?
I guess everyone can pile on you, because you've 1) read the books at some time in the past and 2) you're now watching this series - so of course you should remember all the details.
In any case, my wife who has neither read the books nor watched the movies, would ever be able to name ANY of the LOTR/Hobbit characters.
I mean, I find it humorous you don't remember some of these characters since you're "in the industry" but in reality, who gives a flip...?
I guess everyone can pile on you, because you've 1) read the books at some time in the past and 2) you're now watching this series - so of course you should remember all the details.
In any case, my wife who has neither read the books nor watched the movies, would ever be able to name ANY of the LOTR/Hobbit characters.
Book V is my favorite in the trilogy. The Battle of the Pelennor Fields chapter gets me every time.Beat40 said:
I am currently doing a reread and am in Return of the King right now. Just finished up the House of Healing.
I will say, as I was reading the chapter Minas Tirith all the way through House of Healing, I kept thinking about this show, the Numenorians, how they built the stronghold of Gondor, and the people of Gondor descending from Numenorians. It was really fun to read Aragorn as Isildur's heir and his declaration of that through the Paths of the Dead and in the Pelennor fields.
I know there are some squabbles with this show, but man, on a reread and getting to put some faces and actions to the great people who made Gondor, it enhances the story for me a little more. It's as you said, the screen making the words you read come to life is a cool feeling.
But the way, the run of Book V - chapters Minas Tirith through The Black Gates might be the best run of chapters in fantasy writing history.
Following up my last post. After reading Minas Tirith through House of Healing, I want a few things from this show when the strength of Numenor comes to Middle-Earth.
I want to see:
- Ithilien
- Arnor
- Osgiliath in her glory
- Minas Ithil
- Building of Orthanc
- Building of Minas Tirith
The one I think I want most is Ithilien because of the way Faramir talks about it.
I want to see:
- Ithilien
- Arnor
- Osgiliath in her glory
- Minas Ithil
- Building of Orthanc
- Building of Minas Tirith
The one I think I want most is Ithilien because of the way Faramir talks about it.
The Rohirrim are my favorite people in the trilogy. I love Tolkien describing them as singing for joy as they are battling in the Pelennor Fields. I love after Eomer knows his king is dead and thinks Eowyn is dead they make a furious charge chanting death as they go along.chase128 said:Book V is my favorite in the trilogy. The Battle of the Pelennor Fields chapter gets me every time.Beat40 said:
I am currently doing a reread and am in Return of the King right now. Just finished up the House of Healing.
I will say, as I was reading the chapter Minas Tirith all the way through House of Healing, I kept thinking about this show, the Numenorians, how they built the stronghold of Gondor, and the people of Gondor descending from Numenorians. It was really fun to read Aragorn as Isildur's heir and his declaration of that through the Paths of the Dead and in the Pelennor fields.
I know there are some squabbles with this show, but man, on a reread and getting to put some faces and actions to the great people who made Gondor, it enhances the story for me a little more. It's as you said, the screen making the words you read come to life is a cool feeling.
But the way, the run of Book V - chapters Minas Tirith through The Black Gates might be the best run of chapters in fantasy writing history.
I'll redirect some of the piling of tctts....I've never read Dune.
Elendil will have to get busy if he's going to build 3 major cities in this show.
Elendil will have to get busy if he's going to build 3 major cities in this show.
He has 3,000+ years to do it....
It will be interesting to see how they cover building these cities with the compressed timeline they have chosen.redline248 said:
I'll redirect some of the piling of tctts....I've never read Dune.
Elendil will have to get busy if he's going to build 3 major cities in this show.
Why the books have such an impact on people can be found right there. The weaving of words together to create images and feelings and emotions inside you.chase128 said:Book V is my favorite in the trilogy. The Battle of the Pelennor Fields chapter gets me every time.Beat40 said:
I am currently doing a reread and am in Return of the King right now. Just finished up the House of Healing.
I will say, as I was reading the chapter Minas Tirith all the way through House of Healing, I kept thinking about this show, the Numenorians, how they built the stronghold of Gondor, and the people of Gondor descending from Numenorians. It was really fun to read Aragorn as Isildur's heir and his declaration of that through the Paths of the Dead and in the Pelennor fields.
I know there are some squabbles with this show, but man, on a reread and getting to put some faces and actions to the great people who made Gondor, it enhances the story for me a little more. It's as you said, the screen making the words you read come to life is a cool feeling.
But the way, the run of Book V - chapters Minas Tirith through The Black Gates might be the best run of chapters in fantasy writing history.
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And in that very moment, away behind in some courtyard of the city, a cock crowed.
Shrill and clear he crowed, recking nothing of war nor of wizardry, welcoming only the morning that in the sky far above the shadows of death was coming with the dawn.
And as if in answer there came from far away another note.
Horns, horns, horns, in dark Mindolluin's sides they dimly echoed.
Great horns of the north wildly blowing.
Rohan had come at last.
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I totally agree.
This passage below stuck with me from the first time I read it as a kid:
This passage below stuck with me from the first time I read it as a kid:
These staves he spoke, yet he laughed as he said them. For once more lust of battle was on him; and he was still unscathed, and he was young, and he was king: the lord of a fell people. And lo! even as he laughed at despair he looked out again on the black ships, and he lifted up his sword to defy them.Quote:
Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising
I came singing in the sun, sword unsheathing.
To hope's end I rode and to heart's breaking:
Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!
It took me three tries to read Dune and I wasn't particularly satisfied after finally reading it.
My main reaction was "this is it?"
My main reaction was "this is it?"
bobinator said:
It took me three tries to read Dune and I wasn't particularly satisfied after finally reading it.
My main reaction was "this is it?"
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Watching this thread derail spectacularly big and small is one of my guilty pleasures.
The casting of the show is excellent, and even better than advertised. Really happy to see the cast giving a lot of interviews to highlight the cultural importance of inclusion.
The stories are for everyone.
Tolkien himself described the Harfoots, the proto-hobbits of "The Rings of Power," as dark-complected. And his physical descriptions are so minimal that scholars disagree about whether he even intended elves to have pointy ears.
All the campaigns against diverse casting are not about the integrity of the art, but rather the unfortunate thoughts of the viewer.
We can do better. The show is a major step forward.
The stories are for everyone.
Tolkien himself described the Harfoots, the proto-hobbits of "The Rings of Power," as dark-complected. And his physical descriptions are so minimal that scholars disagree about whether he even intended elves to have pointy ears.
All the campaigns against diverse casting are not about the integrity of the art, but rather the unfortunate thoughts of the viewer.
We can do better. The show is a major step forward.
What about all the other campaigns though
What office are you running for?Redstone said:
The casting of the show is excellent, and even better than advertised. Really happy to see the cast giving a lot of interviews to highlight the cultural importance of inclusion.
The stories are for everyone.
Tolkien himself described the Harfoots, the proto-hobbits of "The Rings of Power," as dark-complected. And his physical descriptions are so minimal that scholars disagree about whether he even intended elves to have pointy ears.
All the campaigns against diverse casting are not about the integrity of the art, but rather the unfortunate thoughts of the viewer.
We can do better. The show is a major step forward.
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huge disagreement. i am still enjoying the sow, but there is no getting around the fact that a lot of the casting is distractingly bad, and that isnt because of 'racism' as you not so subtlety accuse.Redstone said:
The casting of the show is excellent, and even better than advertised. Really happy to see the cast giving a lot of interviews to highlight the cultural importance of inclusion.
The stories are for everyone.
Tolkien himself described the Harfoots, the proto-hobbits of "The Rings of Power," as dark-complected. And his physical descriptions are so minimal that scholars disagree about whether he even intended elves to have pointy ears.
All the campaigns against diverse casting are not about the integrity of the art, but rather the unfortunate thoughts of the viewer.
We can do better. The show is a major step forward.
frankly, the black actors are actually standing out as some of the best performances.
harfoots, dwarves, being cast by people of african descent, none of that is a problem at all imo - i can see that making sense, or at least not being distracting.
but literally not one of the elves is well cast.
the worst casting frankly are the really frumpy people, or actors that look like hobbits playing epic elvish characters.
tolkien's descriptions of galadriel, celeborn, gil galad, etc., really all elves, are always very charismatic, and this show just looks like they accidentally pulled the cast from some 'office space/romcom' sitcom and put them in middle earth costumes.
elindil is doing a good job. some of the others fall pretty short of the glamorous descriptions of their society described by Tolkien too.
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literally not one of the elves is well cast.
I get what you're saying. I think "black dude soldier elf" is good casting. But Galadriel looks/moves like she's 5'2" (which she probably is) and Elrond just looks "off".
My biggest casting gripe is that Celebrimbor does in fact look like a Hobbit and not an Elf.
Everything else works for me.
Everything else works for me.
The elf choices are odd. Beardless dwarf ladies? Fine. Every society looking like the UN? No problem.
Just have the elves, whatever human race they may be, look like the Jackonson/Alan Lee elves. The stocky bodies and short hair is just weird.
Just have the elves, whatever human race they may be, look like the Jackonson/Alan Lee elves. The stocky bodies and short hair is just weird.
I do think they behave and act the way we expect to see elves, the look is just a little off.
Hey CBR - Redstone does that **** just to get a reaction. You need to ignore his crap.
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Lol... dude, it's Redstone. Are you not familiar?
You have to read his posts like you're reading a blurb out of Mad magazine or Cracked. This is either a character he puts on, or he is legitimately insane and posts these things during his arts and crafts time at the asylum.
You have to read his posts like you're reading a blurb out of Mad magazine or Cracked. This is either a character he puts on, or he is legitimately insane and posts these things during his arts and crafts time at the asylum.
Just mentally replace every reference to "elf" or "elves" with "romulan" or "romulans"
Theo sucked less this episode, but I still hate him.
We are supposed to dislike him right? Is there anyone that likes him on here?
We are supposed to dislike him right? Is there anyone that likes him on here?
Which one is Theo?
So wasn't the whole reason Elrond went to the Dwarves at the beginning was to build that tower/forge thing? Has that just been forgotten about since the mythril became a thing?
Lets play a game.TCTTS said:
Which one is Theo?
Which character in the show do you dislike the most?
Not realy for anything they have done, but more just the character itself.
I bet that is Theo
PatAg said:
Theo sucked less this episode, but I still hate him.
We are supposed to dislike him right? Is there anyone that likes him on here?
All of the Southlander humans kinda suck tbh. The best character was the big old dude who was kicking tail before being killed, and he wasn't really developed.
I like the Drow (shout out to dearly departed Community D&D episode) but the chick is more pretty than likeable.
Oh, yeah, the kid. I like him more now after Galadriel gave him her sword, so he seemingly has a new purpose of sorts/has been forgiven, but it had been rough sledding up to that point.
TCTTS said:
Which one is Theo?
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Complaints about elf hair are weird. I expect elves would have different fashions across different groups (Noldor, Sindarin, etc) scattered across the earth over thousands of years.Ol Jock 99 said:
The elf choices are odd. Beardless dwarf ladies? Fine. Every society looking like the UN? No problem.
Just have the elves, whatever human race they may be, look like the Jackonson/Alan Lee elves. The stocky bodies and short hair is just weird.
Waldreg is cool. A real go-getter.DTP02 said:PatAg said:
Theo sucked less this episode, but I still hate him.
We are supposed to dislike him right? Is there anyone that likes him on here?
All of the Southlander humans kinda suck tbh. The best character was the big old dude who was kicking tail before being killed, and he wasn't really developed.
The Porkchop Express said:TCTTS said:
Which one is Theo?
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Blame it on Alan Lee I suppose…the elves have had a consistent look, no matter the time period or in the way presented (book, film, cartoon).
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