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9:32a, 4/7/25
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Felt very rushed. Look, it was entertaining, but it was also rushed, with continuity errors/questions, and a lot of unnecessary drama/scenes that didn't add value IMHO. It could have been so much better.

1) Why did we spend 2 seasons on Spencer and Alex getting to Montana, and have him kill 30 guys in 7 seconds? Their time in Montana would have been more entertaining with more focus on how he helped lead the team to a coordinated war effort / strategy. Nope, just mow down them all with a pistol. They didn't need every possible thing that could happen in the 1920s happen to them on the way. Too much had nothing to do with the ranch, and more about any and everything that could go wrong to someone in 1920.

2) Timothy Dalton is a pervert and horrible person. Took one scene to see that. The rest was torture p***.

3) Billionaire TDalt has one unarmed guy for security? Anyone could have just gone in and shot him from day one? Also, an easy fate for him compared to what he deserved.

4) Jack and Alex dying seemed unnecessary. Along with over half the deaths in the show.

5) Banner grows a conscious at the very end? Okay, maybe this one and it's why they showed Dalton be so horrible. Banner realizes he's on the wrong side? Maybe. I guess. Still seemed way too unnecessary.

6) It appears John Dutton III (Costner) is actually 4th generation and Tate is 6th. Continuity error, or am I missing something? Maybe Costner's dad is born in 1941/1942 from a 17-18 year old, with Costner said to be born in 1959 from another 17-18 year old.

7) If Spencer was born in 1886, was he actually McGraw and Faith Hill's grandson? Faith hill was 1830 (one says 1840 but doesn't fit with Elsa's age and narration), so 56 at the time of Spencer's birth? Would have made far more sense if Spencer was John Dutton's I son and Jack's brother. Would have lined up correctly.

8) Teonna got away. Okay, nice. I hope 1944 shows how she got back to Montana and established what Thomas Rainwater is now.
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9:47a, 4/7/25
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Sheridan has way too many projects going to stay focused and write a good series. I'm pretty much done with his stuff after this.
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9:57a, 4/7/25
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I think it has been well documented throughout this thread that Season 2 of the series moved way to slow. So it was obvious they were going to have to cram a bunch into the last episode.

However, considering the position they put themselves in, I thought the finale was good.
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9:59a, 4/7/25
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Man this show turned into a total soap opera. That said, stellar production values and it kept me entertained throughout.

Cara turning into a special forces level sniper was the highlight of the episode, followed closely by Spencer hoping off the moving train.
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10:05a, 4/7/25
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Cara turning into a special forces level sniper was the highlight of the episode, followed closely by Spencer hoping off the moving train.
Did you miss Helen Mirren in the Red series? Clearly where she got her training with firearms.
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10:15a, 4/7/25
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Nothing but headshots. And I'm not sure i saw anyone reload their rifle.
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10:31a, 4/7/25
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Comment I made to my wife was how many boxes of ammo did those Cowboys have stuffed in their cost pockets when they climbed up on the roof?
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10:39a, 4/7/25
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What do you make of Elsa's voice over that said Spencer took the company of a widow and had another son but never remarried?

One good thing that Sheridan has done is he keeps killing off brothers so the ranch doesn't get split up over generations.

James dies so his brother Jacob takes over but Jacob has no boys. John dies so Spencer takes over. Presumably you'll have cousins Jack and Spencer's son John and Jack's son will die in the next series. According to some of the family trees I've seen Costner had a brother we never met. Don't remember that. And both of Kayce's brothers were killed. Also, I guess after 4 generations Costner got tired of the boys named J family bit.
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10:49a, 4/7/25
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It would have been a bit more believable for the baby to live if she was more than 6 months pregnant. A 24 week infant can survive these days but it is still very dicey for the first couple of months requiring ICU level care. No way in hell a 24 week infant survives in the 1920s.

Plus just feeding it goat milk would give him a heck of a case of megaloblastic anemia! (Boards love that trivia nugget).

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In reply to KidDoc • 11:04a, 4/7/25
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That baby was creepy AF.
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11:05a, 4/7/25
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Love this whole universe but a little disappointed that Sheridan didn't take more care and get the most out of the story. It's such a compelling tale but it falls short of what it could be.

I don't need a "White Lotus" level of creativity, which to me comes off a little pretentious. Just a cleaner story, better pacing and fewer loose ends.

I feel like these creators are always trying to stretch four episodes into six, or six into eight, etc. etc. I guess that's the nature of the beast but when you look back, you realize so much of what you've watched is wasted.
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In reply to KidDoc • 11:52a, 4/7/25
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It would have been a bit more believable for the baby to live if she was more than 6 months pregnant. A 24 week infant can survive these days but it is still very dicey for the first couple of months requiring ICU level care. No way in hell a 24 week infant survives in the 1920s.

Plus just feeding it goat milk would give him a heck of a case of megaloblastic anemia! (Boards love that trivia nugget).



I thought like a evaporated milk formula back then would have been better than goats milk.
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In reply to BurnetAggie99 • 12:21p, 4/7/25
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Yes it would be. Just low in iron and some of the omega 3 and 6 fatty acids
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In reply to Anti-taxxer • 12:36p, 4/7/25
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That baby was creepy AF.
It really was. Looked like mini-me from austin powers.
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1:47p, 4/7/25
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I thought the last episode was awesome. Sure some of the scenes don't make sense but it was still entertaining
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In reply to 98Ag99Grad • 2:03p, 4/7/25
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98Ag99Grad said:
Nothing but headshots. And I'm not sure i saw anyone reload their rifle.


Just like most John Wayne movies. Love those 25 shot revolvers and lever action that'll hold 50.

The show definitely had a soap opera feel.
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In reply to vwbug • 2:06p, 4/7/25
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Anti-taxxer said:
That baby was creepy AF.
It really was. Looked like mini-me from austin powers.
Or.....

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2:11p, 4/7/25
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Forgive my ignorance, but why would not amputating alex's hands or feet to kill her.
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
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2:19p, 4/7/25
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Y'all...it's a Taylor Sheridan show.

As for the bloodline, now we know that the graphic we were presented was wrong.

Tim McGraw--->Spencer--->John Dutton Sr.(Dabney Coleman)--->John Dutton Jr.(Kevin Costner)--->Kasey Duntton--->Tate. So yeah, 6 generations.

Teona's story line was all about how the Rainwater family leaves South Dakota. She likely now winds up in..Montana.

Yes, felt rushed. But that's Sheridan for you. Felt very appropriate to hear the Yellowstone theme playing when they set TDalton's house on fire.

Like I kept telling the husband who was complaining like y'all, "Its in the script."

I will say I loved the ending. John likely knew his grandpa Spencer. That is all sorts of cool.

And the last scene was just lovely.
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2:30p, 4/7/25
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1923 was a love story with the ranch as the backdrop.
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2:47p, 4/7/25
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Some odd, and sometimes unbelievable narrative choices, but I enjoyed it way more than most in this thread. Loved the finale, and thought season 2 was more entertaining than season 1, but pretty close.

Here's how I would rank the Yellowstone universe shows:
1) 1883
2) 1923
3) Yellowstone (though I still haven't watched the last season)

Looking forward to 1944, and I'm hoping they are still planning to do the 6666 spinoff.

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In reply to Mr.Bond • 2:47p, 4/7/25
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Mr.Bond said:
Forgive my ignorance, but why would not amputating alex's hands or feet to kill her.
I don't have ANY experience treating severe frost bite but I did attend a Wilderness medicine meeting in Montana a few years ago. Basically the damaged skin tissue becomes dead tissue with direct access to your blood supply. This allows it to become ganganerous and you die of bacteremia/sepsis. Same reason diabetics lose their feet.


Here is the more complex AI answer:

Severe frostbite necessitates amputation primarily due to **irreversible cell death** and **risk of life-threatening complications**. When tissue freezes, ice crystals form inside cells, rupturing cell membranes and causing permanent damage[1][5]. This dead tissue cannot regenerate and becomes a breeding ground for infection if left in place, potentially leading to gangrene[1][4].
**Key factors driving amputation decisions:**
1. **Tissue viability**: Deep frostbite destroys blood vessels and nerves, leaving tissues ischemic (oxygen-deprived). Without blood flow, these areas cannot heal[2][5].
2. **Infection prevention**: Dead tissue releases toxins and invites bacterial growth, risking sepsis[1][7].
3. **Timing**: Prolonged cold exposure and delays in rewarming worsen outcomes. Studies show amputation rates rise sharply when frostbitten areas remain frozen >24 hours[2][4].
**Modern advancements**:
- **Iloprost**: A vasodilator approved in 2024 reduces amputation needs by improving blood flow in frostbitten tissues[3].
- **tPA**: Clot-busting drugs can salvage tissue if administered within 24 hours of rewarming[6].
- **Imaging**: Bone scans now allow earlier determination of viable tissue, enabling more precise amputations[4].
While historically doctors followed the adage *"freeze in January, amputate in July"* to wait for clear tissue demarcation, current protocols emphasize rapid rewarming and early intervention with thrombolytics or vasodilators when possible[4][6]. Amputation remains a last resort for non-viable tissue that threatens systemic health[2][7].

Citations:
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1ata5je/eli5_watching_everest_documentaries_why_is/
[2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6517929/
[3] https://www.sciencenews.org/article/drug-approved-treat-severe-frostbite
[4] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7482180/
[5] https://orthoinfo.aaos.org/en/diseases--conditions/frostbite/
[6] https://www.akronchildrens.org/inside/2024/01/16/how-to-avoid-losing-limbs-to-frostbite/
[7] https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/15439-frostbite
[8] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/frostbite/symptoms-causes/syc-20372656

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fc2112 said:
vwbug said:
Anti-taxxer said:
That baby was creepy AF.
It really was. Looked like mini-me from austin powers.
Or.....

I had a Quatto vibe from the original Total Recall
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I think she actually ends up going to California. If I recall, in the very first episode of Yellowstone, Rainwater says that he grew up in California and for the first 18 years of his life he thought he was Mexican and not Indian because his parents who adopted him told him that so he wouldn't be discriminated. It wasn't until he was 18 that his papers were available to him and he found out he was Indian.
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8:08p, 4/7/25
Season 1 of 1923 was easily the best of all of the Sheridan shows.
Season 2 really took the bloom off the rose.

Couple of things….so Spencer was anywhere from 32-35 years old when he went off to WWI? Not impossible but that's a bit of a stretch. And 15-18 years older than Alex.

Also "Do you like it here?" to Dalton's new girl as Spencer kills Dalton and Lindy was one of the worst lines of all time. LOFL. So bad.
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8:22p, 4/7/25
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Visited thread to read final comments. TA screen actors guild did not disappoint.
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In reply to T dizl televizl • 9:59p, 4/7/25
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T dizl televizl said:
What was the point of any of it?


Alex's storyline was emotional there at the end, but I can't really wrap my head around it. She couldn't just wait for a train to Montana and then the car she's hiding out in and about to die in just happens to be by the train tracks??

The son's storyline (Jack/Jake?) he just gets shot in the woods and his preg wife is like ok I'm out. She must have said she wanted to focus on landman so TS just phoned it in on that storyline.




Had Alex not gone through her journey to land her in that car next to the train tracks EXACTLY when she did, Spencer would have arrived on the train exactly when planned with no distractions and he would probably have been shot and killed. Maybe?

Jack's wife almost noped herself out of there more than once. The only reason she was still there was because she found out she was pregnant. Once Jack was dead, there was no reason for her to stick around.
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7:31a, 4/8/25
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RIP, Deputy Dan. Get's blasted on the prairie and they leave his body for the vultures. He deserved better.

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In reply to zap • 8:13a, 4/8/25
"Boots and badge."
Yeah that was weird.
Not the body. Not his guns/ammo.
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10:57p, 4/8/25
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Season of buildup just to rush through the train station, ranch battle, and Whitfield in the last half hour.

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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 11:14p, 4/8/25
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Exactly. Could've been three separate episodes really.

Give me Spencer in Montana by episode 2
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RIP, Deputy Dan. Get's blasted on the prairie and they leave his body for the vultures. He deserved better.

I didn't understand why Rainwater was not tried for this death.
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FTAG 2000 said:
Season of buildup just to rush through the train station, ranch battle, and Whitfield in the last half hour.

It's the "White Lotus" strategy.
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zap said:
RIP, Deputy Dan. Get's blasted on the prairie and they leave his body for the vultures. He deserved better.

I didn't understand why Rainwater was not tried for this death.
I agree. You would think that the hard a@@ chick Sheriff would want to hold Rainwater accountable for killing her Deputy?
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In reply to beerad12man • 8:16a, 4/9/25
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Felt very rushed. Look, it was entertaining, but it was also rushed, with continuity errors/questions, and a lot of unnecessary drama/scenes that didn't add value IMHO. It could have been so much better.

1) Why did we spend 2 seasons on Spencer and Alex getting to Montana, and have him kill 30 guys in 7 seconds? Their time in Montana would have been more entertaining with more focus on how he helped lead the team to a coordinated war effort / strategy. Nope, just mow down them all with a pistol. They didn't need every possible thing that could happen in the 1920s happen to them on the way. Too much had nothing to do with the ranch, and more about any and everything that could go wrong to someone in 1920.

2) Timothy Dalton is a pervert and horrible person. Took one scene to see that. The rest was torture p***.

3) Billionaire TDalt has one unarmed guy for security? Anyone could have just gone in and shot him from day one? Also, an easy fate for him compared to what he deserved.

4) Jack and Alex dying seemed unnecessary. Along with over half the deaths in the show.

5) Banner grows a conscious at the very end? Okay, maybe this one and it's why they showed Dalton be so horrible. Banner realizes he's on the wrong side? Maybe. I guess. Still seemed way too unnecessary.

6) It appears John Dutton III (Costner) is actually 4th generation and Tate is 6th. Continuity error, or am I missing something? Maybe Costner's dad is born in 1941/1942 from a 17-18 year old, with Costner said to be born in 1959 from another 17-18 year old.

7) If Spencer was born in 1886, was he actually McGraw and Faith Hill's grandson? Faith hill was 1830 (one says 1840 but doesn't fit with Elsa's age and narration), so 56 at the time of Spencer's birth? Would have made far more sense if Spencer was John Dutton's I son and Jack's brother. Would have lined up correctly.

8) Teonna got away. Okay, nice. I hope 1944 shows how she got back to Montana and established what Thomas Rainwater is now.
I've thought about this too, but for continuity purposes later in Yellowstone, there is/was only one heir (Kevin Costner) That would be incredibly rare in real life but you can only write in so many main characters for a TV show. It just makes it easier to have an "only son" or have people die off. By the time Cosnter dies, his mulitiple kids sell the ranch back to Rainwater, so that solved that.

The reality is that very few monster sized ranches would be sole owners like that, but it can/does happen. The real 6666 Ranch was owned by Burk Burnett's grandaughter (or G-Granddauther, I"m going from memory here) before Taylor Sheridan bought it.

Just finished 1923 last night, I was late to this one. Definitely felt rushed at the end and why didn't Alex just wire the Duttons ahead from and tell them she was coming like they did from the ship in Europe?
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