To whoever said this is Ellie's story, Pedro is the only reason I watched this show. HBO chose poorly. I'm not interested in nineteen year old angst.
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Because it's not as common. You know this. And not that it's wrong but statistically it's not as common unless you live in PV.
That's not what I asked, nor does it answer my question.
Just because something isn't as common doesn't make it "nonsense" if depicted.
That said, I assume your argument is that the ratio of depictions of homosexual relationships to heterosexual relationships in TV/movies should be roughly equal to real life. If so, I'm not at all opposed to that. Granted, I don't think it's something that should be actively enforced, nor would it account for the fact that there were next to no depictions of homosexual relationships in mainstream TV/movies for the vast majority of Hollywood's 100+ year history, and that "lost time" is simply being made up now in the "woke" crowd's eyes.
But in theory I agree.
According to Gallup, 7.6% of US adults identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or something other than straight or heterosexual. So, in a more accurate Hollywood landscape, I guess what we're saying is the amount of homosexual relationships depicted in TV/movies today should be somewhere around that number. However, I would argue that it's probably not much more than that, when factoring in every relationship depicted in every TV show/movie over the past, say, ten years. But yeah, it's almost assuredly more than 7.6%.
Regardless, my point is, anytime there's a homosexual relationship depicted on screen, a certain group *****es and moans and won't be happy until homosexual relationships are completely eradicated from the media they consume/the percentage returns to zero. In other words, for them, it's not about real-life accuracy, it's about ideology. And when words like "nonsense" are used, I assume the latter, not the former.
Just because something isn't as common doesn't make it "nonsense" if depicted.
That said, I assume your argument is that the ratio of depictions of homosexual relationships to heterosexual relationships in TV/movies should be roughly equal to real life. If so, I'm not at all opposed to that. Granted, I don't think it's something that should be actively enforced, nor would it account for the fact that there were next to no depictions of homosexual relationships in mainstream TV/movies for the vast majority of Hollywood's 100+ year history, and that "lost time" is simply being made up now in the "woke" crowd's eyes.
But in theory I agree.
According to Gallup, 7.6% of US adults identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or something other than straight or heterosexual. So, in a more accurate Hollywood landscape, I guess what we're saying is the amount of homosexual relationships depicted in TV/movies today should be somewhere around that number. However, I would argue that it's probably not much more than that, when factoring in every relationship depicted in every TV show/movie over the past, say, ten years. But yeah, it's almost assuredly more than 7.6%.
Regardless, my point is, anytime there's a homosexual relationship depicted on screen, a certain group *****es and moans and won't be happy until homosexual relationships are completely eradicated from the media they consume/the percentage returns to zero. In other words, for them, it's not about real-life accuracy, it's about ideology. And when words like "nonsense" are used, I assume the latter, not the former.
Its not as common, but it's not incredibly uncommon and we already know this main character is gay. So they either have no romantic relationships in the show or we see the typical teen struggles with that from their point of view.mazzag said:
Because it's not as common. You know this. And not that it's wrong but statistically it's not as common unless you live in PV.
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Simplest answer is the best: it has been 5 years since a teenager lost her dad in a horrific way. In those 5 years, she's had one goal---Kill Joel.
About that…
I have a hard time buying that in a post apocalyptic world with all of the ugly, brutal and horrific death that is literally everywhere all the time, the daughter of a doctor for what is arguably (if not literally) a terrorist organization, who then goes on to join said terrorist organization and clearly is at home with killing, was so upset by her daddy being killed (by a single shot to the head that instantly killed him) that she dedicated 5 years of her life to the singular mission of tracking down (while navigating an unbelievably treacherous ocean of death across a huge swath of the western US) the guy that killed him, and was still so riled up by it that she essentially tortures him to death.
Oh, and 4 of her friends were so similarly fired up by the death of 8(!) people in the aforementioned ocean of death they are swimming in that they agreed to also dedicate 5 years of their lives to this same quest despite having no particular personal stake in the quest.
They should have just named her character Ishmael.
Or is Joel going to come back to life in 3 days?
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
Not to open up this can of worms again, but I'm certainly not in the category of "*****es" regarding the topic just because the first season went out of their way to make an entire episode out of the most minute detail of the first game just to create a flamer love fest for social credits.TCTTS said:
That's not what I asked, nor does it answer my question.
Just because something isn't as common doesn't make it "nonsense" if depicted.
That said, I assume your argument is that the ratio of depictions of homosexual relationships to heterosexual relationships in TV/movies should be roughly equal to real life. If so, I'm not at all opposed to that. Granted, I don't think it's something that should be actively enforced, nor would it account for the fact that there were next to no depictions of homosexual relationships in mainstream TV/movies for the vast majority of Hollywood's 100+ year history, and that "lost time" is simply being made up now in the "woke" crowd's eyes.
But in theory I agree.
According to Gallup, 7.6% of US adults identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or something other than straight or heterosexual. So, in a more accurate Hollywood landscape, I guess what we're saying is the amount of homosexual relationships depicted in TV/movies today should be somewhere around that number. However, I would argue that it's probably not much more than that, when factoring in every relationship depicted in every TV show/movie over the past, say, ten years. But yeah, it's almost assuredly more than 7.6%.
Regardless, my point is, anytime there's a homosexual relationship depicted on screen, a certain group *****es and moans and won't be happy until homosexual relationships are completely eradicated from the media they consume/the percentage returns to zero. In other words, for them, it's not about real-life accuracy, it's about ideology. And when words like "nonsense" are used, I assume the latter, not the former.
I'm more disappointed in the show's lack of detail to arm pit hair in accordance with the source material than anything.
Because that episode was totally a "flamer love fest for social credit" and not an insanely well told story of how people had adapted, found social connection, and thrived in an apocalyptic setting.
It's like some of you genuinely don't like interesting stories.
It's like some of you genuinely don't like interesting stories.
Nah. There was nothing "interesting" about it and was purely thrown in as filler for Hollywood street credibility.fig96 said:
Because that episode was totally a "flamer love fest for social credit" and not an insanely well told story of how people had adapted, found social connection, and thrived in an apocalyptic setting.
It's like some of you genuinely don't like interesting stories.
It makes sense though now in the wake of the last episode and the one before it at just how bad they have botched this entire thing across the board.
I'm sorry you have bad taste.
I struggle to see how the Frank & Bill storyline could've carried the weight it did had they NOT been gay. It almost feels like they had to be gay for the storyline to work.
Let's say Bill was hetero. How does the story go if a woman wanders onto his property like Frank did? The story is about Bill letting down his walls and coming to care deeply for Frank, to the point life isn't worth living without him. If Bill is just a straight incel type.....it's not going to be impactful for him to let his walls down to a hot straight woman. A straight man thinking with his peen when a hot vulnerable woman is involved isn't compelling drama. Yeah, it could just be your average love story, but......boring and overdone.
Okay, so let's say the bill character should be a female and a man stumbles upon her town. We're supposed to believe a straight woman rigged the town and set it up to the extent Bill did? She's a gun-loving, doomsday prepper, possibly autistic, and a good-looking man wanders onto her property and they fall in love? I don't buy that either. Again, another possible boring love story, but I'd have a hard time buying into the image of the strong woman falling in love with the relatively helpless man.
Lastly, let's make Bill a lesbian woman and Frank another lesbian that wanders onto his property. Anybody here honestly want to watch a gun-toting, prepper lesbian (probably not the lipstick type) and her love story? If they're both the lipstick type, we're bordering on men fantasy porn. Nope.
So it almost had to be a gay male relationship.
Let's say Bill was hetero. How does the story go if a woman wanders onto his property like Frank did? The story is about Bill letting down his walls and coming to care deeply for Frank, to the point life isn't worth living without him. If Bill is just a straight incel type.....it's not going to be impactful for him to let his walls down to a hot straight woman. A straight man thinking with his peen when a hot vulnerable woman is involved isn't compelling drama. Yeah, it could just be your average love story, but......boring and overdone.
Okay, so let's say the bill character should be a female and a man stumbles upon her town. We're supposed to believe a straight woman rigged the town and set it up to the extent Bill did? She's a gun-loving, doomsday prepper, possibly autistic, and a good-looking man wanders onto her property and they fall in love? I don't buy that either. Again, another possible boring love story, but I'd have a hard time buying into the image of the strong woman falling in love with the relatively helpless man.
Lastly, let's make Bill a lesbian woman and Frank another lesbian that wanders onto his property. Anybody here honestly want to watch a gun-toting, prepper lesbian (probably not the lipstick type) and her love story? If they're both the lipstick type, we're bordering on men fantasy porn. Nope.
So it almost had to be a gay male relationship.
Marlene, Abby are just two examples where women had completely taken the lead. Are women capable of leading? No doubt, but in a world where all hell has broken loose and you have roving bands of zombies and raiders, is that the type of situation where you'd expect to see women leading men? Abby dictating to the men what they will and won't do...beating a man to death while the other sit and watch and bite their tongue...I just don't find it realistic.
Dina and Ellie riding around like badas*es killing zombies with a knife when a gun would be more sensible... these are just a few examples of what I feel is an agenda they're pushing.
Dina and Ellie riding around like badas*es killing zombies with a knife when a gun would be more sensible... these are just a few examples of what I feel is an agenda they're pushing.
What a weird thing to fixate on.RightWingConspirator said:
Marlene, Abby are just two examples where women had completely taken the lead. Are women capable of leading? No doubt, but in a world where all hell has broken loose and you have roving bands of zombies and raiders, is that the type of situation where you'd expect to see women leading men? Abby dictating to the men what they will and won't do...beating a man to death while the other sit and watch and bite their tongue...I just don't find it realistic.
Dina and Ellie riding around like badas*es killing zombies with a knife when a gun would be more sensible... these are just a few examples of what I feel is an agenda they're pushing.
As far as the homosexual relationships, there was Ellie and her friend in the mall, then Ellie and Dina, then there was Nick Offerman and his b-friend. Other than the brother with his wife, I'm trying to figure if there are any heterosexual relationships in this show. Facts are, there are many more heterosexual folks than homosexual folks, but if I go by this show, I'm left with the conclusion that in an apocalyptic scenario, most folks running around will be gay.
Actually a very good point and not one I'd thought about.
They also did a good job subverting the stereotypes, Bill was obviously incredibly capable and mechanically savvy and not what many would associate with the term "gay".
They also did a good job subverting the stereotypes, Bill was obviously incredibly capable and mechanically savvy and not what many would associate with the term "gay".
Yes, I know...struggling with something that is completely unrealistic is a weird thing to struggle with.
RightWingConspirator said:
Marlene, Abby are just two examples where women had completely taken the lead. Are women capable of leading? No doubt, but in a world where all hell has broken loose and you have roving bands of zombies and raiders, is that the type of situation where you'd expect to see women leading men? Abby dictating to the men what they will and won't do...beating a man to death while the other sit and watch and bite their tongue...I just don't find it realistic.
Dina and Ellie riding around like badas*es killing zombies with a knife when a gun would be more sensible... these are just a few examples of what I feel is an agenda they're pushing.
You don't find it realistic from your perspective of current life that hasn't gone thru a fungus apocalypse that has killed 90% of all people or left them as super-powered zombies. Maybe women gained even more power over men with their vajayjays because there were fewer of them. And over the years, as a result, women felt more and more empowered.
You may well be right. If homosexuality is my only option, I'll gladly sprout fungus from my head.
I read the Bill character as a deeply closeted gay man who was only able to accept that of himself once nobody was left to judge him.
Plenty of room to not like how we got here, but here we are. Where do yall think the show goes now? By my count here are the unresolved story beats:
(1) Ellie's immunity. What role will it play - if any - in resolving the larger outbreak?
(2) The evolution of the zombies. We've seen the ones that can't see, the giant ones capable of apparently punching down a tree log wall (speaking of, if your main defense is barrels of oil and fire, why'd you build your walls out of wood?), and now ones that are intelligent enough to hide and hunt. We also that there's some kind of shared consciousness. Is there a "Master Zombie" we haven't met yet?
(3) The fate of the Fireflies. I doubt they were really wiped out. We know Ellie is obsessed with them, primarily because her girlfriend from the mall episode last season ran away to join them. And we know that Ellie didn't believe Joel about what happened in the hospital.
(4) The fate of Abby and her entourage. We know that Dina caught enough information about them that she can help Ellie track them down. Presumably, the entourage is headed back to their militia group, though Abby's comments seem to suggest that Seattle is a mess. Going back to #2, what happens when Ellie learns that people from the Fireflies are the ones who killed Joel?
(5) The fate of Jackson Hole. They survivedHardhome The Long Night the attack on the compound, but what's next? Does Tommy feel compelled to protect Ellie now that Joel's gone. If Ellie is hellbent on revenge, what does that mean for Tommy and his role in the settlement?
Better question: Do any of yall care about any of these storylines now that Joel is gone?
(1) Ellie's immunity. What role will it play - if any - in resolving the larger outbreak?
(2) The evolution of the zombies. We've seen the ones that can't see, the giant ones capable of apparently punching down a tree log wall (speaking of, if your main defense is barrels of oil and fire, why'd you build your walls out of wood?), and now ones that are intelligent enough to hide and hunt. We also that there's some kind of shared consciousness. Is there a "Master Zombie" we haven't met yet?
(3) The fate of the Fireflies. I doubt they were really wiped out. We know Ellie is obsessed with them, primarily because her girlfriend from the mall episode last season ran away to join them. And we know that Ellie didn't believe Joel about what happened in the hospital.
(4) The fate of Abby and her entourage. We know that Dina caught enough information about them that she can help Ellie track them down. Presumably, the entourage is headed back to their militia group, though Abby's comments seem to suggest that Seattle is a mess. Going back to #2, what happens when Ellie learns that people from the Fireflies are the ones who killed Joel?
(5) The fate of Jackson Hole. They survived
Better question: Do any of yall care about any of these storylines now that Joel is gone?
I don't care who a character loves if it's relevant to the story being told. Moonlight for instance, it set out to tell an interesting untold story (gay black men in a very masculine inner city environment).
The offense tends to come when it's thrown in haphazardly to meet a perceived quota, or if it's done in excess.
In the case of this show, it's now shaping up to be a show on female empowerment (again fine if not in excess or to make men appear weak or dumb like in Barbie). And if it's primarily for women, they don't care about gay characters as much as men do. In fact they seem to welcome it more, especially when the idea here is that she not a conforming "damsel in distress" female, her sexuality helps emphasize that. So I am seeing I'm not the target audience for this one as time goes by, but if their core audience is happy, good. I'm out anyway because they took the one interesting thing away for me (and a lot of other people apparently). But this show isn't them taking SW and wrecking it with "inclusion". it's its own story with its own POV. More power to them, just not for me anymore. The market will take care of their casting and plot choices.
The offense tends to come when it's thrown in haphazardly to meet a perceived quota, or if it's done in excess.
In the case of this show, it's now shaping up to be a show on female empowerment (again fine if not in excess or to make men appear weak or dumb like in Barbie). And if it's primarily for women, they don't care about gay characters as much as men do. In fact they seem to welcome it more, especially when the idea here is that she not a conforming "damsel in distress" female, her sexuality helps emphasize that. So I am seeing I'm not the target audience for this one as time goes by, but if their core audience is happy, good. I'm out anyway because they took the one interesting thing away for me (and a lot of other people apparently). But this show isn't them taking SW and wrecking it with "inclusion". it's its own story with its own POV. More power to them, just not for me anymore. The market will take care of their casting and plot choices.
I care!!
1) good question. Will she be like the "one-eyed raven"? Lots of talk about….doesnt amount to much.
2) this is most fun. No idea, but I like the evolution.
3) I think they are gone. Abby and crew will head back to the WLD or whatever. The story will progress from there.
4) see above
5) wouldn't be surprised if that part of the story wraps up quickly and we move on.
On the "girl power" concern, this is based on a video game (very male dominated segment) written by a guy. While the primary leads may (may…I don't know) be female, I seriously doubt "guys are idiots" will be a major plot point. Hell, we've had 10 pages of "Ellie was acting dumb" this season.
Looking forward to Sunday.
1) good question. Will she be like the "one-eyed raven"? Lots of talk about….doesnt amount to much.
2) this is most fun. No idea, but I like the evolution.
3) I think they are gone. Abby and crew will head back to the WLD or whatever. The story will progress from there.
4) see above
5) wouldn't be surprised if that part of the story wraps up quickly and we move on.
On the "girl power" concern, this is based on a video game (very male dominated segment) written by a guy. While the primary leads may (may…I don't know) be female, I seriously doubt "guys are idiots" will be a major plot point. Hell, we've had 10 pages of "Ellie was acting dumb" this season.
Looking forward to Sunday.
The zombies in this show are nothing like real life zombies. So unrealistic, and pretty lazy by the showrunners to be honest.
They kill off the only likeable/relatable character and Im supposed to root for the derpy girl now?
cr06gis said:
They kill off the only likeable/relatable character and Im supposed to root for the derpy girl now?
Yeah I gave my wife a few days to cool off and she still has no interest in watching anymore.
We had ordered Chinese food when we watched. My wife threw her chopsticks at the screen and said "I'm done". Now she can't get mad at me for throwing my Aggie hat at the screen and yelling when we **** the bed in football. Just took Pedro Pascal getting killed off prematurely in a TV series. Glad we are even now!
(She has since cooled off and decided to give it another episode or two, lol. The ladies losing their leading man was tough - the struggle is real)
(She has since cooled off and decided to give it another episode or two, lol. The ladies losing their leading man was tough - the struggle is real)
Bunk Moreland said:
The zombies in this show are nothing like real life zombies. So unrealistic, and pretty lazy by the showrunners to be honest.
"Real life zombies"
Where are these located?
LB12Diamond said:Bunk Moreland said:
The zombies in this show are nothing like real life zombies. So unrealistic, and pretty lazy by the showrunners to be honest.
"Real life zombies"
Where are these located?
LB12Diamond said:Bunk Moreland said:
The zombies in this show are nothing like real life zombies. So unrealistic, and pretty lazy by the showrunners to be honest.
"Real life zombies"
Where are these located?
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The local DNC event.
Apologies, all. It's not the politics board.
Apologies, all. It's not the politics board.
Y'all know what time it is.
I would not have watched this without Pascal. They/them from GOT doesn't carry a series.
Out of respect for Joel, y'all should at least watch tonight's episode before quitting in anger
Haven't watched yet but I have a feeling we're still gonna get a good bit more Joel this season.
I might be the minority but I thought the actress playing Ellie leveled up. Good episode and I'm looking forward to her revenge story. Rooting for her.
Using her precocious annoying self to get advantage against Gale to get out of the hospital. Playing the role Gale expects in order to hide her revenge need. Even though Gale saw through it. Catherine O'Hara continues to be very good.
2003 Tiger baseball catching a stray from Gale. They went 43-119 that year.
Dina is so great. She has charisma and chemistry with every one. She and Ellie are a good pair. Ellie is the emotion and the drive. Dina is the plan and the logistics. " The Last of Us" used to be Joel and Ellie, now it is Ellie and Dina.
Were those coffee beans on Joel's grave?
Nice breather episode after the chaos and emotion of last week... Until they find the other group
The abandoned highway and Seattle looked really good.
Loved the leveled up more serious Ellie. She played someone who had to grow up quick well.
2003 Tiger baseball catching a stray from Gale. They went 43-119 that year.
Dina is so great. She has charisma and chemistry with every one. She and Ellie are a good pair. Ellie is the emotion and the drive. Dina is the plan and the logistics. " The Last of Us" used to be Joel and Ellie, now it is Ellie and Dina.
Were those coffee beans on Joel's grave?
Nice breather episode after the chaos and emotion of last week... Until they find the other group
The abandoned highway and Seattle looked really good.
Loved the leveled up more serious Ellie. She played someone who had to grow up quick well.
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