fig96 said:
Haven't watched yet but I have a feeling we're still gonna get a good bit more Joel this season.
I feel like Ellie lied about not having a conversation on the porch after the dance. Could be a flashback coming
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I feel like Ellie lied about not having a conversation on the porch after the dance. Could be a flashback coming
Also seems like we're probably going to get a flashback episode about what happened with Eugene.
Got another great actor coming up with the WLF leader shown in the ep4 trailer
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"The Last of Us" used to be Joel and Ellie, now it is Ellie and Dina.
Yes but to what end? What is the point/purpose of the show now?
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Seth the Bigot backing/helping Ellie and Dina was some good stuff. I wasn't expecting that at all, and it gave the show some much-needed humanity that was severely lacking from last episode.
Speaking of, it still sucks that Joel is gone/went way too soon, but I do admit that in his place Dina is bringing a level of life and charm to this show that wasn't there before. She's a great addition who definitely grew on me this episode. Isabela Merced and Bella Ramsey really do have excellent chemistry together.
Also, I don't know if a brother has ever been better-cast than Gabriel Luna as Tommy, to the point where parts of Joel/Pascal feel like they live on through him. To that end, I really hope he has more to do this season.
Overall, I'm still disappointed in how last week went down, but this episode went a long way toward showing the path forward, and I like where we're heading so far.
Speaking of, it still sucks that Joel is gone/went way too soon, but I do admit that in his place Dina is bringing a level of life and charm to this show that wasn't there before. She's a great addition who definitely grew on me this episode. Isabela Merced and Bella Ramsey really do have excellent chemistry together.
Also, I don't know if a brother has ever been better-cast than Gabriel Luna as Tommy, to the point where parts of Joel/Pascal feel like they live on through him. To that end, I really hope he has more to do this season.
Overall, I'm still disappointed in how last week went down, but this episode went a long way toward showing the path forward, and I like where we're heading so far.
There was one unintentional comedy laugh for me when Ellie repeats Abby's name after Dina says it. Had a flashback to Anna Faris' character in The House Bunny repeating names in a deep voice to help her remember their names.
pagerman @ work said:Quote:
"The Last of Us" used to be Joel and Ellie, now it is Ellie and Dina.
Yes but to what end? What is the point/purpose of the show now?
What was the point of the show before? Found family vs. a terrible world. Father/daughter changed to sisters or lovers, we'll see which.
pagerman @ work said:Quote:
"The Last of Us" used to be Joel and Ellie, now it is Ellie and Dina.
Yes but to what end? What is the point/purpose of the show now?
What was the point of it the season before Joel died? He did his job. He completed his mission. He saved Ellie time and again and then delivered her to safety. A handful of people in this thread were sick of me *****ing about how I thought the show botched Joel's death, but I don't at all disagree with the filmmakers moving on from the character in general. I just wish we had at least another couple episodes with him, that's all. But even I had no desire to keep seeing him be Ellie's protector from here on out. To me, after tonight's episode, it's obvious now that his death CREATED plot. It GAVE the show purpose. Otherwise, what would the show have been?
Basically beat me to it.
Did any one want to see the show turn into being about a 56 year old with shaky hands trying to move on from his violent past and struggle to find a role of peace building homes in Jackson until one day he's too old, slow, and shaky and a zombie gets the better of him? That was Joel's future if Abbey didn't get him first. I don't think he had any cross country trips left in him.
Instead the show moves on and attempts to turn Ellie into Joel by giving her his gun, watch, purpose, and toughness.
Instead the show moves on and attempts to turn Ellie into Joel by giving her his gun, watch, purpose, and toughness.
Well said.
Pretty sure most understand that what took place with Joel works for the show. The main reason no one likes it bc his acting was kind of carrying the show. GOT could kill off great characters/actors bc there were so many others still left.
This show of course is limited in this area so it will be interesting to see how it does this season without him.
This show of course is limited in this area so it will be interesting to see how it does this season without him.
I was fine with the plot holes, even with knocking off pascals character early due to the story line etc. however, I just don't think the actor whom plays Ellie can carry this show.
Maybe/maybe not. She did pretty well last night.
I do think Dina's charisma can carry a lot. We are gaining Jeffery Wright soon too.
I do think Dina's charisma can carry a lot. We are gaining Jeffery Wright soon too.
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Monday morning gripe. I can't help but notice that all of the vehicles/gear/equipment look pristine. Some wear and tear in the post-apocalypse would go a long way to make the world feel more lived in. The scene with the militia group looked like they just got done with an REI and Discount Tire weekend run.
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Monday morning gripe. I can't help but notice that all of the vehicles/gear/equipment look pristine. Some wear and tear in the post-apocalypse would go a long way to make the world feel more lived in. The scene with the militia group looked like they just got done with an REI and Discount Tire weekend run.
While I get what you are saying, most groups we've seen have had the wear and tear. This one doesn't. I assume that is intentional.
Did we notice that the opening of the show where the fungus grows has changed?
Previously it ended with two horizontal figures, one large and one small, to represent Joel and Ellie.
This week it was just one small figure.
Previously it ended with two horizontal figures, one large and one small, to represent Joel and Ellie.
This week it was just one small figure.
OldArmy71 said:
Did we notice that the opening of the show where the fungus grows has changed?
Previously it ended with two horizontal figures, one large and one small, to represent Joel and Ellie.
This week it was just one small figure.
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TCTTS said:pagerman @ work said:Quote:
"The Last of Us" used to be Joel and Ellie, now it is Ellie and Dina.
Yes but to what end? What is the point/purpose of the show now?
What was the point of it the season before Joel died? He did his job. He completed his mission. He saved Ellie time and again and then delivered her to safety. A handful of people in this thread were sick of me *****ing about how I thought the show botched Joel's death, but I don't at all disagree with the filmmakers moving on from the character in general. I just wish we had at least another couple episodes with him, that's all. But even I had no desire to keep seeing him be Ellie's protector from here on out. To me, after tonight's episode, it's obvious now that his death CREATED plot. It GAVE the show purpose. Otherwise, what would the show have been?
So the thing that drove the show in the first season (the spread of the zombie fungus, end of civilization and Ellie is the potential savior because she has some weird immunity that could save humanity) is now either the basic premise of the show (zombies and the end of civilization) or a now-abandoned storyline (Ellie's immunity makes her important for humanity's survival) and all we're left with is Ellie going on her Inigo Montoya tour of the northwest?
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
So I watch the previews and the "making of" segment that immediately follows the show on Max. Are those fair game to discuss or no?
CheeseSndwch said:
Since there's so much game discussion on this page, does Ellie wear Converse throughout the game?
Because traipsing around Wyoming in the middle of winter in a pair of Chuck Taylor's seems a bit silly but I get it if that's an effort to stay true to the character design.
Happy to see this get resolved/addressed.
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Using her precocious annoying self to get advantage against Gale to get out of the hospital. Playing the role Gale expects in order to hide her revenge need. Even though Gale saw through it. Catherine O'Hara continues to be very good.
2003 Tiger baseball catching a stray from Gale. They went 43-119 that year.
Dina is so great. She has charisma and chemistry with every one. She and Ellie are a good pair. Ellie is the emotion and the drive. Dina is the plan and the logistics. " The Last of Us" used to be Joel and Ellie, now it is Ellie and Dina.
Were those coffee beans on Joel's grave?
Nice breather episode after the chaos and emotion of last week... Until they find the other group
The abandoned highway and Seattle looked really good.
Loved the leveled up more serious Ellie. She played someone who had to grow up quick well.
Yes, I read somewhere that coffee played a bigger role in the game with Joel. Looks like is was a sign of respect for a "father figure".
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I was fully convinced that after last week's fireworks, this episode was gonna start with Joel/Ellie arriving in Jackson after the end of S1, and filling in that 5 year gap.fig96 said:
Also seems like we're probably going to get a flashback episode about what happened with Eugene.
Guess we probably won't get that, but hopefully some flashbacks sprinkled throughout the season so we can keep seeing Joel, and get filled in on why their relationship got so strained.
I wonder if whatever happened with Eugene has to do with it.
Seriously? After a solid week of *****ing and moaning about him dying in episode 2?TCTTS said:pagerman @ work said:Quote:
"The Last of Us" used to be Joel and Ellie, now it is Ellie and Dina.
Yes but to what end? What is the point/purpose of the show now?
What was the point of it the season before Joel died? He did his job. He completed his mission. He saved Ellie time and again and then delivered her to safety. A handful of people in this thread were sick of me *****ing about how I thought the show botched Joel's death, but I don't at all disagree with the filmmakers moving on from the character in general. I just wish we had at least another couple episodes with him, that's all. But even I had no desire to keep seeing him be Ellie's protector from here on out. To me, after tonight's episode, it's obvious now that his death CREATED plot. It GAVE the show purpose. Otherwise, what would the show have been?
(I'm just giving you a hard time, no need to get upset. Just a funny dichotomy to see your attitude change from just one episode.)
My wife and I were racking our brains trying to figure out what scene discussed coffee or coffee beans in season 1 as to why she put coffee beans on his grave siteTxgunrnnr said:Quad Dog said:
Using her precocious annoying self to get advantage against Gale to get out of the hospital. Playing the role Gale expects in order to hide her revenge need. Even though Gale saw through it. Catherine O'Hara continues to be very good.
2003 Tiger baseball catching a stray from Gale. They went 43-119 that year.
Dina is so great. She has charisma and chemistry with every one. She and Ellie are a good pair. Ellie is the emotion and the drive. Dina is the plan and the logistics. " The Last of Us" used to be Joel and Ellie, now it is Ellie and Dina.
Were those coffee beans on Joel's grave?
Nice breather episode after the chaos and emotion of last week... Until they find the other group
The abandoned highway and Seattle looked really good.
Loved the leveled up more serious Ellie. She played someone who had to grow up quick well.
Yes, I read somewhere that coffee played a bigger role in the game with Joel. Looks like is was a sign of respect for a "father figure".
Another explanation for the coffee beans will occur eventually
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Let's talk Seth.
In some of the comments here, and in the "making of" after the show, and in the podcast (which I highly recommend), the sentiment of "Seth's defending Joel and backing Ellie is SO SHOCKING FOR THAT BIGOT!!!!"
I don't know. Maybe it is that I'm closer to Seth's age than Ellie's. Maybe it is the world I grew up in as a small town Texas boy in the early 90s and a Corps of Cadets member in the late 90s. I don't know.
Seth got drunk and said something really mean. That's not great, but I'd wager most of us have been there. He may well never approve of Ellie's sexuality, but knows enough to just be like "whatever, live and let live" when he isn't unduly influenced.
Seth is a hard worker and a realist. He likely grow up in the shadow of Vietnam and was an adult during the heart of the cold war. Seth has obviously lost people and has been hardened by it, but he loves his community and knows that this "little girl", despite some personal areas he doesn't like, is right about the threat facing them.
In short, I don't find Seth's actions surprising at all.
In some of the comments here, and in the "making of" after the show, and in the podcast (which I highly recommend), the sentiment of "Seth's defending Joel and backing Ellie is SO SHOCKING FOR THAT BIGOT!!!!"
I don't know. Maybe it is that I'm closer to Seth's age than Ellie's. Maybe it is the world I grew up in as a small town Texas boy in the early 90s and a Corps of Cadets member in the late 90s. I don't know.
Seth got drunk and said something really mean. That's not great, but I'd wager most of us have been there. He may well never approve of Ellie's sexuality, but knows enough to just be like "whatever, live and let live" when he isn't unduly influenced.
Seth is a hard worker and a realist. He likely grow up in the shadow of Vietnam and was an adult during the heart of the cold war. Seth has obviously lost people and has been hardened by it, but he loves his community and knows that this "little girl", despite some personal areas he doesn't like, is right about the threat facing them.
In short, I don't find Seth's actions surprising at all.
I actually really disliked Ellie for refusing to acknowledge what seemed like an honest apology from Seth, even after he helped them out like he did.
My wife said "I'm glad you weren't in his shoes at that very moment because I know what you would say…." Lol, and she was right. Agreed, I hated that, but respect it for the show. You definitely feel like you're constantly teetering on a razors edge with the main characters.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I actually really disliked Ellie for refusing to acknowledge what seemed like an honest apology from Seth, even after he helped them out like he did.
I feel like she kind of did with the handshake though, even if it wasn't explicit. She didn't have to like him, but there was that semblance of mutual respect there.
We should start a tally for every time someone points out emotional teenage girl behavior being displayed by the emotional teenage girl main character.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I actually really disliked Ellie for refusing to acknowledge what seemed like an honest apology from Seth, even after he helped them out like he did.
pagerman @ work said:TCTTS said:pagerman @ work said:Quote:
"The Last of Us" used to be Joel and Ellie, now it is Ellie and Dina.
Yes but to what end? What is the point/purpose of the show now?
What was the point of it the season before Joel died? He did his job. He completed his mission. He saved Ellie time and again and then delivered her to safety. A handful of people in this thread were sick of me *****ing about how I thought the show botched Joel's death, but I don't at all disagree with the filmmakers moving on from the character in general. I just wish we had at least another couple episodes with him, that's all. But even I had no desire to keep seeing him be Ellie's protector from here on out. To me, after tonight's episode, it's obvious now that his death CREATED plot. It GAVE the show purpose. Otherwise, what would the show have been?
So the thing that drove the show in the first season (the spread of the zombie fungus, end of civilization and Ellie is the potential savior because she has some weird immunity that could save humanity) is now either the basic premise of the show (zombies and the end of civilization) or a now-abandoned storyline (Ellie's immunity makes her important for humanity's survival) and all we're left with is Ellie going on her Inigo Montoya tour of the northwest?
Huh?
Why would Joel being alive be the only thing that can move that plot point forward?
Why would Ellie's immunity as a plot line be "abandoned" just because Joel is dead?
First of all, he was alive with her for five years and zero plot progress had been made in that regard, post-hospital massacre until his death.
Secondly, I would bet just about anything that plot point (Ellie's immunity) comes back around. Others will almost assuredly discover her immunity, be them Jackson residents, members of the WLF who were privy to that info, or some other characters.
Brian Earl Spilner said:Seriously? After a solid week of *****ing and moaning about him dying in episode 2?TCTTS said:pagerman @ work said:Quote:
"The Last of Us" used to be Joel and Ellie, now it is Ellie and Dina.
Yes but to what end? What is the point/purpose of the show now?
What was the point of it the season before Joel died? He did his job. He completed his mission. He saved Ellie time and again and then delivered her to safety. A handful of people in this thread were sick of me *****ing about how I thought the show botched Joel's death, but I don't at all disagree with the filmmakers moving on from the character in general. I just wish we had at least another couple episodes with him, that's all. But even I had no desire to keep seeing him be Ellie's protector from here on out. To me, after tonight's episode, it's obvious now that his death CREATED plot. It GAVE the show purpose. Otherwise, what would the show have been?
(I'm just giving you a hard time, no need to get upset. Just a funny dichotomy to see your attitude change from just one episode.)
I explained the difference. How the filmmakers handled his death is what rubbed me the wrong way, not the fact that he died.
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