Release date was strange in my opinion as well. One week and a half later and you have the Thanksgiving crowd. I'm not a specialist when it comes to choosing dates but Disney had to know this.
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imjustsayin said:
Release date was strange in my opinion as well. One week and a half later and you have the Thanksgiving crowd. I'm not a specialist when it comes to choosing dates but Disney had to know this.
New Hunger Games movie is out this weekend. Probably wanted to get 1 weekend with no competition.
Iman being awesome for 10 minutes. Really hope she gets into some real Avengers movies.
So who won the bet
from what I've been seeing that's gonna flop big time as well…..not as big as marvels due to a much lower budget but still not going to do remotely close to the prior films….dcaggie04 said:imjustsayin said:
Release date was strange in my opinion as well. One week and a half later and you have the Thanksgiving crowd. I'm not a specialist when it comes to choosing dates but Disney had to know this.
New Hunger Games movie is out this weekend. Probably wanted to get 1 weekend with no competition.
The Songbirds & Snakes was a terrible book and the movie doesn't have J-Law in it because it takes place 60 years before she was born. I'm sure itll make $40-$50 million the first weekend, but it definitely feels like a Green Lantern / Lightyear style flop
I think it's a shame this movie has performed so badly, it's not bad at all. It's bearing the brunt of other MCU misfires since Endgame. I would say it's a slightly below average MCU film, but given there are 33 of them now and quite a few really excellent movies, that isn't really a complaint.
White dudes have almost no lines in the entire movie. Somewhere an executive is forming focus groups to figure out why Black Panther can make so much money but this can't.
White dudes have almost no lines in the entire movie. Somewhere an executive is forming focus groups to figure out why Black Panther can make so much money but this can't.
It's pretty simple actually….
Men/boys that like comic book heroes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Women/girls that like comic book heroes….
Men/boys that like comic book heroes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Women/girls that like comic book heroes….
Heck isn't that why Disney bought the MCU and Star Wars in the first place was to have major properties to market to the male demographic since Disney prior to this was mostly known for being big on princesses and having a big chunk of the female market???
And look what they do with it…..
And look what they do with it…..
definitely deserves much better than what its getting. It the best marvel product since shang chi IMO
But there's definitely a difference between "let's make a movie that part of our fan base will enjoy" vs. "let's make a movie that will make the most money". At some point it has to be OK for a studio to make movies that are for certain people, not a giant net that goes for the lowest common denominator.
Ive got twin 11 year olds who loved the Marvels and want to go see it again. They liked but didnt love GOTG3 and Im not sure either of them remembers anything about Ant-Man 3.
Ive got twin 11 year olds who loved the Marvels and want to go see it again. They liked but didnt love GOTG3 and Im not sure either of them remembers anything about Ant-Man 3.
The Porkchop Express said:
But there's definitely a difference between "let's make a movie that part of our fan base will enjoy" vs. "let's make a movie that will make the most money". At some point it has to be OK for a studio to make movies that are for certain people, not a giant net that goes for the lowest common denominator.
Ive got twin 11 year olds who loved the Marvels and want to go see it again. They liked but didnt love GOTG3 and Im not sure either of them remembers anything about Ant-Man 3.
Wasn't one of the purposes of phase 4 exactly that? To transition to niche characters and markets? I'm not sure the argument holds anymore. At some point you have to look back at your body of work; you can't keep saying the same thing and ignoring the criticism because you don't have an unlimited budget.
Phase 4 was full of bad ideas, starting with a new Spider-man movie right after Endgame. They should have taken 1-2 years and come up with a new plot that made sense and had a throughput, then mixed stories that made sense for that plot with the introduction of new characters who could connect with the existing ones.AGC said:The Porkchop Express said:
But there's definitely a difference between "let's make a movie that part of our fan base will enjoy" vs. "let's make a movie that will make the most money". At some point it has to be OK for a studio to make movies that are for certain people, not a giant net that goes for the lowest common denominator.
Ive got twin 11 year olds who loved the Marvels and want to go see it again. They liked but didnt love GOTG3 and Im not sure either of them remembers anything about Ant-Man 3.
Wasn't one of the purposes of phase 4 exactly that? To transition to niche characters and markets? I'm not sure the argument holds anymore. At some point you have to look back at your body of work; you can't keep saying the same thing and ignoring the criticism because you don't have an unlimited budget.
Spiderman in Europe was a fun movie but he seemed to have no lingering problems with going into space, dying for 5 years, and losing his father figure other than giving up Edith to a guy he met 3 hours before. That movie could have been skipped altogether, as could have Black Widow, and the Eternals.
I found BP2 to be a beautiful film that let the actors grieve, but the "bad guys" were really out there in terms of what the hell is going on here. I really wish they could have tied the plot of BP2 to Dr Strange 2 and No Way Home, and started having the time incursions really happening in those 2 films, ntot just "everything is fine at the end."
While not a good movie, Antman 3 at least tried to push the narrative. Why Thor didn't fight a Kang variant is beyond me. You know a movie is bad when Natalie Portman looks hot AF in it, and I still have no desire to see it again.
setting those dominos in place lets a movie like the Marvels bring CM back and bring Rambeau and Kamala into the mix with a plot that could have remained largely the same, but tweaked to have the multiversal Kang stuff be part of it.
Of course nobody knew Majors was going to turn into the Toxic Avenger (thank you), so I guess it all would ahve gone to **** anyways.
The Porkchop Express said:Phase 4 was full of bad ideas, starting with a new Spider-man movie right after Endgame. They should have taken 1-2 years and come up with a new plot that made sense and had a throughput, then mixed stories that made sense for that plot with the introduction of new characters who could connect with the existing ones.AGC said:The Porkchop Express said:
But there's definitely a difference between "let's make a movie that part of our fan base will enjoy" vs. "let's make a movie that will make the most money". At some point it has to be OK for a studio to make movies that are for certain people, not a giant net that goes for the lowest common denominator.
Ive got twin 11 year olds who loved the Marvels and want to go see it again. They liked but didnt love GOTG3 and Im not sure either of them remembers anything about Ant-Man 3.
Wasn't one of the purposes of phase 4 exactly that? To transition to niche characters and markets? I'm not sure the argument holds anymore. At some point you have to look back at your body of work; you can't keep saying the same thing and ignoring the criticism because you don't have an unlimited budget.
Spiderman in Europe was a fun movie but he seemed to have no lingering problems with going into space, dying for 5 years, and losing his father figure other than giving up Edith to a guy he met 3 hours before. That movie could have been skipped altogether, as could have Black Widow, and the Eternals.
I found BP2 to be a beautiful film that let the actors grieve, but the "bad guys" were really out there in terms of what the hell is going on here. I really wish they could have tied the plot of BP2 to Dr Strange 2 and No Way Home, and started having the time incursions really happening in those 2 films, ntot just "everything is fine at the end."
While not a good movie, Antman 3 at least tried to push the narrative. Why Thor didn't fight a Kang variant is beyond me. You know a movie is bad when Natalie Portman looks hot AF in it, and I still have no desire to see it again.
setting those dominos in place lets a movie like the Marvels bring CM back and bring Rambeau and Kamala into the mix with a plot that could have remained largely the same, but tweaked to have the multiversal Kang stuff be part of it.
Of course nobody knew Majors was going to turn into the Toxic Avenger (thank you), so I guess it all would ahve gone to **** anyways.
Right but marvel tried to hand off the baton just about everywhere. All the tv shows are handoffs are they not? And movies have branched out quite a bit as well.
There's a reason Netflix started cutting diversity shows and program runners the last two years - limited returns that don't justify the product. Generic appeal movies pay for everything else and you gotta have enough to sustain the side projects.
benMath08 said:
White dudes have almost no lines in the entire movie. Somewhere an executive is forming focus groups to figure out why Black Panther can make so much money but this can't.
This should not be a mystery
Got a story on my news feed that it's looking at an 80+% drop this weekend and might only make $9-$10 million domestic.
Dayum.
Dayum.
Gap said:
The biggest Disney MCU box office bust for an opening weekend in its history and by a substantial amount.'The Marvels' went lower, nearer, and slower with MCU's worst box office opening ever, grossing $47 million. https://t.co/fzqm4wQ4va
— Entertainment Weekly (@EW) November 12, 2023Quote:
That much is clear after "The Marvels" misfired with $47 million in its opening weekend to land the worst debut in MCU history. Initial tracking was closer to $75 million to $80 million, but those projections shrank dramatically in recent weeks to $60 million to $65 million. With bad buzz and actors like Brie Larson unable to promote the film due to the SAG strike, "The Marvels" didn't even match those disappointing estimates.
Only two other films in the sprawling series ("The Marvels" is the 33rd installment in 15 years) have opened to lower than $60 million: 2008's "The Incredible Hulk" with $55.4 million and 2015's "Ant-Man" with $57.2 million, not adjusted for inflation.Quote:
The earlier Captain Marvel opened domestically to $153.4 million, making The Marvels the 1st sequel to debut with more than $100 million less than its predecessor.
We adjusting for inflation on the box office take?
I was really hoping it would pick up pace after people talked about how pleasantly surprised they were with how good it was.
I dont know why, but i just hate it for Iman more than anything. She is so cool and such a good representative for Marvel nerds and kids
I dont know why, but i just hate it for Iman more than anything. She is so cool and such a good representative for Marvel nerds and kids
Yeah that blows. There's no reason this movie should do worse than Morbius.
Swap out where Bill says "WNBA" with "The Marvels" and you have your answer.
This is on feminists.
This is on feminists.
I made it 15 minutes with the lady and walked out
any reason why?
also that's so strange to me. I haven't left a movie early since highschool..and that was because I was a punk kid and the notebook was stupid to me.. Still stayed until last ten minutes.
also that's so strange to me. I haven't left a movie early since highschool..and that was because I was a punk kid and the notebook was stupid to me.. Still stayed until last ten minutes.
Have you and the lady seen other Marvel movies in the theater? Because I can think of a number of them I would have walked out of before this one.
The rule of thumb / lesson learned from here on out should probably be that superhero movies need not go with all-female main casts. If for no other reason than men obviously make up the primary target audience, and most women clearly aren't interested in these kinds of stories. It was worth the effort, and none of this is to say that superhero movies shouldn't feature female leads or target female audiences. Rather, if they do, they seem to need a strong male component as well, to ensure the more of the male audience shows up.
- Captain Marvel not only gave Sam Jackson more screen time, but also had Jude Law and Ben Mendelsohn in prominent roles.
- Black Widow had David Harbor and Ray Winstone in prominent roles.
- Rey was the lead of the Star Wars sequels, but those movies also heavily featured Luke, Han, Kylo, Finn, and Poe.
- Jennifer Lawrence led The Hunger Games franchise, but each of those movie also heavily featured Peta, Gale, Haymitch, etc.
Again, this isn't a sexist thing by any means, it's simply a numbers game, attempting to play to/ensure your most reliable audience.
It would also help to not introduce two of your three main female characters in streaming series that not a ton of people watched, relatively speaking, but what do I know...
- Captain Marvel not only gave Sam Jackson more screen time, but also had Jude Law and Ben Mendelsohn in prominent roles.
- Black Widow had David Harbor and Ray Winstone in prominent roles.
- Rey was the lead of the Star Wars sequels, but those movies also heavily featured Luke, Han, Kylo, Finn, and Poe.
- Jennifer Lawrence led The Hunger Games franchise, but each of those movie also heavily featured Peta, Gale, Haymitch, etc.
Again, this isn't a sexist thing by any means, it's simply a numbers game, attempting to play to/ensure your most reliable audience.
It would also help to not introduce two of your three main female characters in streaming series that not a ton of people watched, relatively speaking, but what do I know...
This was like Birds of Prey 2.0. That had a popular lead and two unknowns IIRC. This was a semi-popular/polarizing leads, an unknown and a "I didn't watch that." Slightly different but both were bombs.
So yeah - unfortunately the genre just isn't ready for female ensemble films, box office-wise.
So yeah - unfortunately the genre just isn't ready for female ensemble films, box office-wise.
It also doesn't help that there has been like 2-3 years of mediocre to bad marvel content before this movie leading to a complete disinterest.
Marvel excitement is a fraction of what it used to be. I never finished secret invasion and haven't even bothered to watch Loki which is my favorite of the shows.
The multiverse is a bad and confusing idea to try and gather excitement for a new phase.
Marvel excitement is a fraction of what it used to be. I never finished secret invasion and haven't even bothered to watch Loki which is my favorite of the shows.
The multiverse is a bad and confusing idea to try and gather excitement for a new phase.
it's Also not fair that wonder woman movies and capt marvel did suck..so in the last few years, female centric superhero movies have sucked.
which.. I felt like Dr strange 2 was actually Scarlet Witch 1...and didn't suck.
speaking of! the other frustrating thing is that this movie didn't actually feel like it was hitting you over the head with "girl power feminism yeah! bull ****"
either which is what turns so many guys away from watching a movie like this. It treated female superheroes the way I want them to in a movie like this.. the girl power factor is just a fact of the movie and something that doesn't need to be stated over and over again in case anyone didn't notice.
iirc, they manage to avoid saying the word patriarchy even once! that practically deserves its own award!
which.. I felt like Dr strange 2 was actually Scarlet Witch 1...and didn't suck.
speaking of! the other frustrating thing is that this movie didn't actually feel like it was hitting you over the head with "girl power feminism yeah! bull ****"
either which is what turns so many guys away from watching a movie like this. It treated female superheroes the way I want them to in a movie like this.. the girl power factor is just a fact of the movie and something that doesn't need to be stated over and over again in case anyone didn't notice.
iirc, they manage to avoid saying the word patriarchy even once! that practically deserves its own award!
I'll give this a shot when it hits Disney plus real soon. I've heard mostly bad reviews on this so my expectations will be set real low.
Did the same thing with black widow and that really didn't seem that bad. I was entertained for a few hours.
Did the same thing with black widow and that really didn't seem that bad. I was entertained for a few hours.
Rejected by audiences with mixed reception and with 4 new, better received films in town, #TheMarvels collapsed on 2nd FRI at US #BoxOffice, grossing just 2.8M.
— Luiz Fernando (@Luiz_Fernando_J) November 18, 2023
Terrible legs with steep -87% drop (negative record for CBMs) from previous FRI Op Day,.
The #CaptainMarvel sequel hits… pic.twitter.com/Cq3RTWPhnd
-87%...
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It would also help to not introduce two of your three main female characters in streaming series that not a ton of people watched, relatively speaking, but what do I know...
This
It's so ridiculous that a bunch of the same men on here who argue that representation doesn't matter so marvel should ignore it also make the argument that men won't go see a movie because women are the leads.
Taking my girls to go see it again on Friday and my wife is coming too.
This doesn't apply to just this movie, but I'm having a hard time getting motivated to watch ANY new Marvel movie. Never saw the second Dr Strange (loved the first one), or Thor or Ant-Man. And this one didn't have anything in the trailers to make me change that streak.
On a plane and made it about 20 minutes into Flash before flipping the channel.
Super hero fatigue is real.
On a plane and made it about 20 minutes into Flash before flipping the channel.
Super hero fatigue is real.
On the plus side, 2024 only has one MCU movie and it's kinda non-MCU - Deadpool 3. I think DCEU is taking the year off too.
The downside is that Sony is cranking out 3 more next year, and there are some real uninteresting Disney+ shows to trickle out.
The downside is that Sony is cranking out 3 more next year, and there are some real uninteresting Disney+ shows to trickle out.
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