Mr. TC enjoying arguing about Marvels while at an LA Starbucks, 2023, colorized.
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But fr though, as much as you might dislike Nerdrotic, he's passionate because he loves the older MCU movies and thinks a lot of newer ones are trash. IF this movie would have been made to be amazing and gotten a lot of people into the theater, you and Nerdrotic would probably love it for many of the same reasons. Your point of disagreement is that movies are being made more to fulfill an agenda than to actually stand on their own as great movies. That's not a really wacky, incel opinion, I don't think, I think it's just people who want to get excited to go to the movies again. Their girlfriends who didn't go to this would have gone for concessions and if there were bare-chested, square-jawed dudes helping the Marvels in their quest. When the director said she made this movies as what her 13 year old self would have liked, she should have remembered that for every person who today thinks like her as a 13 year old there are probably a few thousand traditional Marvel dudes and their wives and kids who spent their weekend money elsewhere.
That's one of the things I've been trying (and failing) for a while to say.
For the first time in a long time, this felt like a movie that happened to have strong female leads without spending the entire time punishing you for every movie that didn't have one...but people are so burnt out on that narrative that they assumed that this would be another one of *those* films. It was refreshing, but its suffering from everything that had come before.
And women who care about that already went all out on Barbie anyway.
For the first time in a long time, this felt like a movie that happened to have strong female leads without spending the entire time punishing you for every movie that didn't have one...but people are so burnt out on that narrative that they assumed that this would be another one of *those* films. It was refreshing, but its suffering from everything that had come before.
And women who care about that already went all out on Barbie anyway.
To be fair, despite the trailers looking pretty bad, seems plenty of people still gave this a chance and just realized it flat out isn't a very good movie. Dull characters (played by actresses who arent exciting), weird dialogue, not a lot of great action, pretty spotty CGI, really weak villain...just not great. Not saying you can't enjoy it, but the box office and reviews paint a picture of a massive letdown. Charlie's review I posted mentioned nothing about any wokeness complaints but was probably pretty close to the average Marvel fan's reaction to this mess.
This doesn't bother me, but, male or female, they have to keep the character's name - Norrin Radd.TCTTS said:
Uh oh!
Get your pitchforks ready and your torches lit.
A comic book character made of silver that Stan Lee created after taking a bong hit fifty years ago will now have silver boobs instead of a silver d*ck!
Clearly, this is an affront to all that is holy and definitely something grown men on the internet should be angry about!
Man your battle stations!
Alert Nerdrotic!
Victory will be ours!Silver Surfer In Marvel's 'Fantastic Four' MCU Reboot Reportedly A Woman: https://t.co/3AP91g5s4T pic.twitter.com/CjiRKGuOJV
— ScreenGeek (@RealScreenGeek) November 20, 2023
I hope they held on to some of that $ to cover their losses from all the flops they've released in 2023TCTTS said:
The Star Wars sequel trilogy made over $4.4B worldwide.
And yet they're still the second highest grossing studio of the year. It really is wild (and so, so weird) how much some of you desperately need this stuff to fail…
2023 distributors race at US #BoxOffice crossed 7.9B this weekend & will become 1st year Post-Covid to cross 8B with #Napoleon & #Wish’s #Thanksgiving debut, while Universal dominates!
— Luiz Fernando (@Luiz_Fernando_J) November 19, 2023
Distributors Top 5 YTD#Universal 1.68B#Disney 1.37B#WB 1.15B#Sony 865.5M#Paramount 838.6M pic.twitter.com/Fr8ZOEePax
But as a for profit studio, it was a pretty big let down of a year. They barely grossed more money than 2022 which had fewer major releases and by all accounts GoTG3 is the only one that really seems to have made them much profit. It's kind of weird to see you talk about how the studio heads muck things up so much for content creators in some threads and then fangirl so hard for a studio.
This feels like sticking your fingers in and ears and yelling "La La La La".
In 2019, Disney has the #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, & #8 movies in the US.
In 2023, Disney has none in the top 3. 3 in the top 10. Indiana Jones got beat out by Taylor Swift movie concerts.
It's okay to acknowledge that Disney is trending down. Not long ago every MCU, Pixar, & princess movie were locks to be big hits. Now that is not the case. What do you think their "market share" of box office revenue is this year compared to years past?
In 2019, Disney has the #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, & #8 movies in the US.
In 2023, Disney has none in the top 3. 3 in the top 10. Indiana Jones got beat out by Taylor Swift movie concerts.
It's okay to acknowledge that Disney is trending down. Not long ago every MCU, Pixar, & princess movie were locks to be big hits. Now that is not the case. What do you think their "market share" of box office revenue is this year compared to years past?
I'm not "fangirling" in any way. I'm simply pointing out the deeply weird obsession a number of people here have with Disney movies failing.
OBVIOUSLY it was a down year. No one is arguing anything different. Again, I'm simply pointing out/laughing at the incessant need some people here have for woke to go broke and all that cliched nonsense.
Is this incorrect?
They've had a rough year. That's kind of just a fact. I mean, does someone taking a pot shot at them for this really require you to white knight for a multi-billion dollar corporation? You've taken worse potshots at actual human beings in this very thread.Quote:
I hope they held on to some of that $ to cover their losses from all the flops they've released in 2023
Perhaps those folks want to see Disney fall on their faces because Disney has a high-ranking person stating they wanted to insert various politically motivated garbage into their movies?TCTTS said:
I'm not "fangirling" in any way. I'm simply pointing out the deeply weird obsession a number of people here have with Disney movies failing.
I happened to have liked Indiana Jones despite its problems. But the Star Wars sequels were largely garbage compared to the previous movies, Marvel has been going into the toilet for the most part since Endgame. My kids have aged out of the princess type animated movies, so I haven't seen much of that type of Disney material lately (think the last one I saw was either Moana or the one with the Day of the Dead theme, whatever that one was called). Perhaps get rid of the politics and just make good movies is what Disney should do if they want to return to the days of dominating the box office.
TCTTS said:
I'm not "fangirling" in any way. I'm simply pointing out the deeply weird obsession a number of people here have with Disney movies failing.
But he was right though? Disney has had a multitude of flops this year.
The total studio gross is kind of a worthless metric on its own, as that ignores things like budgets, average per movie, etc.
I'm well aware. Except he was framing it in a way that this year has been such a disaster that they needed to start stock-piling cash. So I merely pointed out that they still did better than most of the other studios, despite their troubles.
But really, this is all about certain people's obsessions with seeing Disney go down in flames, and that's really what I was actually getting at.
But really, this is all about certain people's obsessions with seeing Disney go down in flames, and that's really what I was actually getting at.
I think it you're keen to exaggerate the views of others, but most of the people you disagree with here are neither obsessed nor want "Disney to go down in flames". They are hopeful that Disney and more studios in general will change course and put more emphasis on great storytelling and less on checking agenda boxes. But when phrased that way it sounds like a moderate take by normal people, which conflicts with the incels-in-basements-with-tiki-torches idea you have of a lot of us.
Careful, you are at 39% so you may automatically be branded as an "Other". Your attempt at reasonable discourse cannot be tolerated based upon your previous posting history.
Yeah that's true, but 90% of those posts are comprised of hot takes like Hamas is evil and the GOP probably needs to opt for someone who isn't 80.
Cliff.Booth said:
I think it you're keen to exaggerate the views of others, but most of the people you disagree with here are neither obsessed nor want "Disney to go down in flames". They are hopeful that Disney and more studios in general will change course and put more emphasis on great storytelling and less on checking agenda boxes. But when phrased that way it sounds like a moderate take by normal people, which conflicts with the incels-in-basements-with-tiki-torches idea you have of a lot of us.
Quoting since I have but one blue star to give
Meaningless. What were their budgets?TCTTS said:
And yet they're still the second highest grossing studio of the year. It really is wild (and so, so weird) how much some of you desperately need this stuff to fail…2023 distributors race at US #BoxOffice crossed 7.9B this weekend & will become 1st year Post-Covid to cross 8B with #Napoleon & #Wish’s #Thanksgiving debut, while Universal dominates!
— Luiz Fernando (@Luiz_Fernando_J) November 19, 2023
Distributors Top 5 YTD#Universal 1.68B#Disney 1.37B#WB 1.15B#Sony 865.5M#Paramount 838.6M pic.twitter.com/Fr8ZOEePax
I miss this thread being about a movie.
Porkchop, what do you give it out of 10? What do you think they nailed and what was a missed opportunity?
I'll give you the opinion of my twin 11-year-olds who are hanging out at Epcot with me tonightCliff.Booth said:
Porkchop, what do you give it out of 10? What do you think they nailed and what was a missed opportunity?
Strengths
1. Really funny
2. Kamala Khan is really cool
3. Cool fights
4. When the Flerkken ate everyone
5. The singing planet
6. Kamala's family fighting the bad guys with a vacuum cleaner
7. When Kamala recruited Kate Bishop
Weaknesses
1. Didn't know who Monica Rambeau was for a while
2. Didn't know who the Skrulls were until I explained it.
Daughter 1 says it's her favorite Marvel movie
Daughter 2 says it's her second-favorite Marvel movie behind Captain Marvel
Like I said before, i think it's OK for a movie to be made that really makes a select audience happy, even if it gets labeled a box office bomb. When I was just a little bit older than them, my best friend and i went to see Big Trouble in Little China, which was made for $25 million and tanked to the tune of $11 million at the box office. Never kept me from loving it then or in the 35+ years since.
i liked the Marvels way more than Ant-Man 3 or Thor-4. I'd put it slightly ahead of Shang-Chi, because it was so much fun with my kids, but well below GOTG3.
Glad they liked it. I can definitely see how it would be a better experience for kids. And slightly jealous you're chilling at Epcot right now. Eat a dole whip for me and have fun with your kids!
How's the Guardians ride?
Brian Earl Spilner said:
How's the Guardians ride?
Had to wait 90 minutes cuz it broke down but so worth it. We got September by Earth Wind and Fire as our song. Last year we had Conga by Gloria Estefan. Hoping to see Grogu and Mando at Hollywood Studios tomorrow
Went tonight. It was a hell of a lot better than reading this thread.
Carol was more endearing than in Capt Marvel. Monica was fine, but - as I knew would be the case - Kamala was just the best. I also loved that her family was included as much as they were.
I thought the power switching fights were pretty cool. It had some good humor and the villain at least had a motive that separated her from a lot of villains. Too bad they went with her going full villain at the end. Oh, I get that we're supposed to believe what Monica was doing is hard, but the intense "scream while using a power" shtick is lame.
I, personally was not a fan of the cats. I admit I laughed a bit as the crew was running from them while the announcement said to just let them eat you.
The sing and dance planet was not my cup of tea but whatever. Brie was really hot in that dress.
Some of the makeup and costume designs looked cheap on the various aliens.
Oh, since there was some confusion on the first page, the name Beast called the other woman was Binary. It's like some of y'all really don't pay attention to what you're watching.
Overall, I thought this was pretty good. I agree it's better than Antman 3. I actually might have liked it more than Thor 4, which I didn't hate, and the last 3rd of Shang Chi. Haven't decided between it and Guardians 3, yet.
Carol was more endearing than in Capt Marvel. Monica was fine, but - as I knew would be the case - Kamala was just the best. I also loved that her family was included as much as they were.
I thought the power switching fights were pretty cool. It had some good humor and the villain at least had a motive that separated her from a lot of villains. Too bad they went with her going full villain at the end. Oh, I get that we're supposed to believe what Monica was doing is hard, but the intense "scream while using a power" shtick is lame.
I, personally was not a fan of the cats. I admit I laughed a bit as the crew was running from them while the announcement said to just let them eat you.
The sing and dance planet was not my cup of tea but whatever. Brie was really hot in that dress.
Some of the makeup and costume designs looked cheap on the various aliens.
Oh, since there was some confusion on the first page, the name Beast called the other woman was Binary. It's like some of y'all really don't pay attention to what you're watching.
Overall, I thought this was pretty good. I agree it's better than Antman 3. I actually might have liked it more than Thor 4, which I didn't hate, and the last 3rd of Shang Chi. Haven't decided between it and Guardians 3, yet.
That ride is so awesome. Creative and lots of fun. My daughter and I heard I Ran and September the two times we rode. I was hoping to hear Conga because I've always associate that song with the trip my family took to Disney World when I was a little kid.The Porkchop Express said:Brian Earl Spilner said:
How's the Guardians ride?
Had to wait 90 minutes cuz it broke down but so worth it. We got September by Earth Wind and Fire as our song. Last year we had Conga by Gloria Estefan. Hoping to see Grogu and Mando at Hollywood Studios tomorrow
There are criticisms of the film itself: too short, didn't commit fully to the weirdness of the singing planet, generic villain, rushed 3rd act, rushed through some emotional beats. I agree with some of that - some tweaking could have made it better but I don't see it as a severely flawed film overall. I'd give it a B, B+.
Then there are box office criticisms which are more objective and hard to deny at this point. The Disney+ effect, the Brie Larsen effect, the perceived wokeness (overblown aside from that the leads are women - no preachiness), declining quality of late, no overarching plan, and the fact that most people just didn't know or remember the lead cast.
In my mind they're pretty separate - though the Cinemascore would say otherwise. I guess I'm just not sure that tweaking the 3rd act and villain would have audiences raving and recommending it to their friends.
Hypothetically, could you have the exact same movie with Thor, War Machine and Hulk and make 10x as much money and a have higher audience score? I think so. I guess that's where star power and familiarity really pay off. That's not accusing anyone of anything - just that audiences clearly didn't know/like/remember most of the cast going into this, and the film and marketing didn't do enough to win enough of them over.
It's a shame, because it's a fun film. But maybe Disney/Feige will get back to listening to what audiences want instead of cranking out sequels and spinoffs of everything ever. Give the people a Hulk film, more team ups, more Endgame characters and fewer newbies we aren't connected to. Figure out how to put Shang-Chi in something before we all forget he exists. Etc.
Then there are box office criticisms which are more objective and hard to deny at this point. The Disney+ effect, the Brie Larsen effect, the perceived wokeness (overblown aside from that the leads are women - no preachiness), declining quality of late, no overarching plan, and the fact that most people just didn't know or remember the lead cast.
In my mind they're pretty separate - though the Cinemascore would say otherwise. I guess I'm just not sure that tweaking the 3rd act and villain would have audiences raving and recommending it to their friends.
Hypothetically, could you have the exact same movie with Thor, War Machine and Hulk and make 10x as much money and a have higher audience score? I think so. I guess that's where star power and familiarity really pay off. That's not accusing anyone of anything - just that audiences clearly didn't know/like/remember most of the cast going into this, and the film and marketing didn't do enough to win enough of them over.
It's a shame, because it's a fun film. But maybe Disney/Feige will get back to listening to what audiences want instead of cranking out sequels and spinoffs of everything ever. Give the people a Hulk film, more team ups, more Endgame characters and fewer newbies we aren't connected to. Figure out how to put Shang-Chi in something before we all forget he exists. Etc.
Agree 100 percent.Cliff.Booth said:
most of the people you disagree with here are neither obsessed nor want "Disney to go down in flames". They are hopeful that Disney and more studios in general will change course and put more emphasis on great storytelling and less on checking agenda boxes.
I don't like comic book movies, so I can't comment on the pluses and minuses of "The Marvels."
But I am a long-time Disney shareholder and a lifelong fan of the studio and theme parks. I mean, I saw "The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes" in the theater.
It's painful to see Disney's recent stumbles across all of its businesses, but they are self-inflicted wounds caused by arrogance and unnecessary activism and could be easily corrected with the right leadership. If they have to suffer today for a better tomorrow, I'm all for it.
EclipseAg said:Agree 100 percent.Cliff.Booth said:
most of the people you disagree with here are neither obsessed nor want "Disney to go down in flames". They are hopeful that Disney and more studios in general will change course and put more emphasis on great storytelling and less on checking agenda boxes.
I don't like comic book movies, so I can't comment on the pluses and minuses of "The Marvels."
But I am a long-time Disney shareholder and a lifelong fan of the studio and theme parks. I mean, I saw "The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes" in the theater.
It's painful to see Disney's recent stumbles across all of its businesses, but they are self-inflicted wounds caused by arrogance and unnecessary activism and could be easily corrected with the right leadership. If they have to suffer today for a better tomorrow, I'm all for it.
Lol a concerned Disney shareholder who doesn't like comic book movies checking into the The Marvels thread.
Yeah, so what? I read a lot of threads like this one, because I like seeing what others are thinking about Disney and its products, and the endless bickering is entertaining.tomtomdrumdrum said:EclipseAg said:Agree 100 percent.Cliff.Booth said:
most of the people you disagree with here are neither obsessed nor want "Disney to go down in flames". They are hopeful that Disney and more studios in general will change course and put more emphasis on great storytelling and less on checking agenda boxes.
I don't like comic book movies, so I can't comment on the pluses and minuses of "The Marvels."
But I am a long-time Disney shareholder and a lifelong fan of the studio and theme parks. I mean, I saw "The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes" in the theater.
It's painful to see Disney's recent stumbles across all of its businesses, but they are self-inflicted wounds caused by arrogance and unnecessary activism and could be easily corrected with the right leadership. If they have to suffer today for a better tomorrow, I'm all for it.
Lol a concerned Disney shareholder who doesn't like comic book movies checking into the The Marvels thread.
The Porkchop Express said:Brian Earl Spilner said:
How's the Guardians ride?
Had to wait 90 minutes cuz it broke down but so worth it. We got September by Earth Wind and Fire as our song. Last year we had Conga by Gloria Estefan. Hoping to see Grogu and Mando at Hollywood Studios tomorrow
I got Everybody Wants to Rule the World
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Similar to Porkchop, I went to the movie with a couple daughters that are somewhat outgrowing Disney movies, but they've generally watched the Marvel movies. They both loved it and had it in their top 3 (with about 9 other movies).
They enjoyed it, and I didn't hate it.
One thought I had with the adult women super heroes is that they are generally humorless. It's why I like Kamila Khan's character the most. I think Disney is comfortable and having humorous faults of Peter Parker, Bruce Banner, Peter Quill or Thor, but they don't with their adult women heroes, and it hurts them in the humor department. Ms. Marvel is a different type of character from Captain Marvel or Monica Rambeau. Of course, that could be way off.
They enjoyed it, and I didn't hate it.
One thought I had with the adult women super heroes is that they are generally humorless. It's why I like Kamila Khan's character the most. I think Disney is comfortable and having humorous faults of Peter Parker, Bruce Banner, Peter Quill or Thor, but they don't with their adult women heroes, and it hurts them in the humor department. Ms. Marvel is a different type of character from Captain Marvel or Monica Rambeau. Of course, that could be way off.
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