maybe half of millennials, and more specifically probably 75% of white suburban women under about 35, in addition to genxer moms of preteen and teenage girls.bigjag19 said:
There are many. I promise you.
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According to a Morning Consult survey about 53% of adults are fans and 48% of her fanbase is male.
She is pretty well liked by millions of people
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2023/03/14/more-than-half-of-us-adults-say-theyre-taylor-swift-fans-survey-finds/?sh=40859bc26877
She is pretty well liked by millions of people
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2023/03/14/more-than-half-of-us-adults-say-theyre-taylor-swift-fans-survey-finds/?sh=40859bc26877
44.Aggie Therapist said:How old are you?62strat said:I don't know one adult that is a Swift fan.nai06 said:Iraq2xVeteran said:
I was hoping Jelly Rolly would win an award, but that didn't happen. As a 49ers fan, I hope the 49ers beat the Chiefs for a 6th Super Bowl title and stop the Taylor Swift mania. I even know a few people in my church, who believe the 49ers are carrying the fate of the Presidential Election and the country on their backs.
Shortly after the matchup was announced, social media users started pointing out that the last time the two teams faced off was during a presidential election year. Noting that the last time both the Chiefs and Biden won, Democratic congressional staffer Sam Jeske wrote on X (formerly Twitter), "I guess we're rooting for the Chiefs, folks." Trump supporters, on the other hand, suggested that a win for San Francisco could mean a second Trump termor that both the Super Bowl and the presidential election are rigged.
"49ers are going to the Superbowl! 2024 is the redemption year!!" one Trump fan tweeted. "2020 was Kansas City Chiefs vs San Francisco 49ers, the 49ers lost and then Covid happened and President Trump lost his re-election. This is the year we can take it all the way back!! 49ers Win and President Trump wins 2024!"
Others pointed out that the repeat of both contests is merely a coincidence, and some acknowledged that neither the Super Bowl nor the election results have yet to be determined. So the 2020 winners could still lose, the 2020 losers could still win, or there could be one repeat victory and a new winner in the other.
https://www.newsweek.com/chiefs-49ers-super-bowl-sparks-theory-about-donald-trump-joe-biden-1864814
Regardless of who wins, the Taylor Swift Mania isn't stopping anytime soon. She announced a brand new album tonight when most people assumed she would be announcing the rerelease of her 6th album , Reputation (last one that she didn't own the masters to). That's pretty big news for Swift fans which is around half of all U.S. adults.
No way that is accurate.
I am Swift's age (34) and my wife is a year younger than us. We grew up with her since she hit the scene in the 2000s.
And guess what, we're all adults now.
I don't know of one aunt/uncle, cousin, parent, (plus all those on the inlaw side), all of our friends on our street, friends we still know from our 20s/30s, my kids, the kids my kids play with, my work (granted I'm in construction),, on and on.. I honestly don't know one person who would say they like her music, go to her concert, or let alone refer to themselves as a swiftie. I don't know of any of her songs except for a few that have showed up in movies (shake it off in sing comes to mind)
I'm not saying they don't exist, clearly she sold out stadiums and is the top streaming artist on spotify (which tells you a bunch right there; that is a millennial thing far and away)
I just think the ones that are there, they are immersed in it. There isn't a casual swift fan.. not far from Tool I guess (who beat her at number 1 on billboard) or metallica (who outsold her at AT&T stadium)
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According to a Morning Consult survey about 53% of adults are fans and 48% of her fanbase is male.
She is pretty well liked by millions of people
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2023/03/14/more-than-half-of-us-adults-say-theyre-taylor-swift-fans-survey-finds/?sh=40859bc26877
1. Her audience is primarily female. 67% of her website's visitors are female, with 33% male.
2. Her audience tends towards young adults. Visitors to the website are 1.58 times more likely to be in the 18-24 age range and 1.27 times more likely to be in the 25-34 age range. Additionally, college students are 1.28 times more likely to visit her site.
3. Taylor Swift is reasonably popular among most ethnic groups - except African Americans, who are .66 times as likely to visit her site compared to the rest of the internet. (Caucasians and Asians are at 1.02 and Hispanics are at 1.13).
From your link
"Nearly three-fourths of avid Taylor Swift fans are white, and roughly half of her supporters are millennials, live in the suburbs and are Democrats,"
I don't know that web traffic is a great measure of fandom. My wife and I have been to one of her concerts and listen to a lot of her music. I don't think I have ever visited her website.
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The legal history of credit for musicians and samples is long and complicated. The number of credited songwriters has gone up, but it was under-reported in the old days, and artists give credit for different reasons these days because of how music is made digitally.62strat said:I looked into this recently, and if you go back to 70s or 80s, album of the year winners literally had the band members as song writers and like 1 producer. Sometimes the band was both like Toto.bluefire579 said:
especially considering how many widely acclaimed albums by beloved artists throughout the decades were created by multiple writers and done with other people playing instruments.
As you fast forward towards today, that list grows and grows and grows. It absolutely is a sign of less talented artists. They (most) aren't writing or producing (not without 15 others anyway), and they aren't playing, unless it's a band like coldplay, or someone like Beck, who is like a beatle as far as musical instrument talent.
See for yourself.. look at how big the boxes of names are in the last few decades, vs 30-50 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Album_of_the_Year#1970s
70s
80s
Can't even fit 2023 in one pic, even with tiny font.
https://tedium.co/2023/02/04/why-do-modern-pop-songs-have-so-many-credited-writers/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(music)
62strat said:44.Aggie Therapist said:How old are you?62strat said:I don't know one adult that is a Swift fan.nai06 said:Iraq2xVeteran said:
I was hoping Jelly Rolly would win an award, but that didn't happen. As a 49ers fan, I hope the 49ers beat the Chiefs for a 6th Super Bowl title and stop the Taylor Swift mania. I even know a few people in my church, who believe the 49ers are carrying the fate of the Presidential Election and the country on their backs.
Shortly after the matchup was announced, social media users started pointing out that the last time the two teams faced off was during a presidential election year. Noting that the last time both the Chiefs and Biden won, Democratic congressional staffer Sam Jeske wrote on X (formerly Twitter), "I guess we're rooting for the Chiefs, folks." Trump supporters, on the other hand, suggested that a win for San Francisco could mean a second Trump termor that both the Super Bowl and the presidential election are rigged.
"49ers are going to the Superbowl! 2024 is the redemption year!!" one Trump fan tweeted. "2020 was Kansas City Chiefs vs San Francisco 49ers, the 49ers lost and then Covid happened and President Trump lost his re-election. This is the year we can take it all the way back!! 49ers Win and President Trump wins 2024!"
Others pointed out that the repeat of both contests is merely a coincidence, and some acknowledged that neither the Super Bowl nor the election results have yet to be determined. So the 2020 winners could still lose, the 2020 losers could still win, or there could be one repeat victory and a new winner in the other.
https://www.newsweek.com/chiefs-49ers-super-bowl-sparks-theory-about-donald-trump-joe-biden-1864814
Regardless of who wins, the Taylor Swift Mania isn't stopping anytime soon. She announced a brand new album tonight when most people assumed she would be announcing the rerelease of her 6th album , Reputation (last one that she didn't own the masters to). That's pretty big news for Swift fans which is around half of all U.S. adults.
No way that is accurate.
I am Swift's age (34) and my wife is a year younger than us. We grew up with her since she hit the scene in the 2000s.
And guess what, we're all adults now.
I don't know of one aunt/uncle, cousin, parent, (plus all those on the inlaw side), all of our friends on our street, friends we still know from our 20s/30s, my kids, the kids my kids play with, my work (granted I'm in construction),, on and on.. I honestly don't know one person who would say they like her music, go to her concert, or let alone refer to themselves as a swiftie. I don't know of any of her songs except for a few that have showed up in movies (shake it off in sing comes to mind)
I'm not saying they don't exist, clearly she sold out stadiums and is the top streaming artist on spotify (which tells you a bunch right there; that is a millennial thing far and away)
I just think the ones that are there, they are immersed in it. There isn't a casual swift fan.. not far from Tool I guess (who beat her at number 1 on billboard) or metallica (who outsold her at AT&T stadium)
Well I guess I'm a casual swift fan. I went to see Metallica live at AT&T but I'm not paying ungodly amounts to see Taylor live.
I try and see Metallica as often as I can. I'm just happy they are still touring.
But I listen to a wide range of genres, so I don't understand how people can be trapped in one camp and not enjoy the other. I'm going to see Blink in June in SA. And probably Kenny Wayne Shepherd at the Moody theater in Feb.
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*A week later, and by selling way fewer units (270,000 for Tool vs 450,000 on the first day alone for Swift)62strat said:44.Aggie Therapist said:How old are you?62strat said:I don't know one adult that is a Swift fan.nai06 said:Iraq2xVeteran said:
I was hoping Jelly Rolly would win an award, but that didn't happen. As a 49ers fan, I hope the 49ers beat the Chiefs for a 6th Super Bowl title and stop the Taylor Swift mania. I even know a few people in my church, who believe the 49ers are carrying the fate of the Presidential Election and the country on their backs.
Shortly after the matchup was announced, social media users started pointing out that the last time the two teams faced off was during a presidential election year. Noting that the last time both the Chiefs and Biden won, Democratic congressional staffer Sam Jeske wrote on X (formerly Twitter), "I guess we're rooting for the Chiefs, folks." Trump supporters, on the other hand, suggested that a win for San Francisco could mean a second Trump termor that both the Super Bowl and the presidential election are rigged.
"49ers are going to the Superbowl! 2024 is the redemption year!!" one Trump fan tweeted. "2020 was Kansas City Chiefs vs San Francisco 49ers, the 49ers lost and then Covid happened and President Trump lost his re-election. This is the year we can take it all the way back!! 49ers Win and President Trump wins 2024!"
Others pointed out that the repeat of both contests is merely a coincidence, and some acknowledged that neither the Super Bowl nor the election results have yet to be determined. So the 2020 winners could still lose, the 2020 losers could still win, or there could be one repeat victory and a new winner in the other.
https://www.newsweek.com/chiefs-49ers-super-bowl-sparks-theory-about-donald-trump-joe-biden-1864814
Regardless of who wins, the Taylor Swift Mania isn't stopping anytime soon. She announced a brand new album tonight when most people assumed she would be announcing the rerelease of her 6th album , Reputation (last one that she didn't own the masters to). That's pretty big news for Swift fans which is around half of all U.S. adults.
No way that is accurate.
I am Swift's age (34) and my wife is a year younger than us. We grew up with her since she hit the scene in the 2000s.
And guess what, we're all adults now.
I don't know of one aunt/uncle, cousin, parent, (plus all those on the inlaw side), all of our friends on our street, friends we still know from our 20s/30s, my kids, the kids my kids play with, my work (granted I'm in construction),, on and on.. I honestly don't know one person who would say they like her music, go to her concert, or let alone refer to themselves as a swiftie. I don't know of any of her songs except for a few that have showed up in movies (shake it off in sing comes to mind)
I'm not saying they don't exist, clearly she sold out stadiums and is the top streaming artist on spotify (which tells you a bunch right there; that is a millennial thing far and away)
I just think the ones that are there, they are immersed in it. There isn't a casual swift fan.. not far from Tool I guess (who beat her at number 1 on billboard*) or metallica (who outsold her at AT&T stadium**)
**Outsold her per night due to stage layout, but not overall. Swift had more total attendance over the full run at AT&T (2 nights vs 3 nights) and SoFi. (2 nights vs 6 nights)
She sells out Super Bowl level crowds 4 nights in a row at times. 3-4 hour set list.
People really need to find another hobby instead of trying to discredit Swift or slander her any chance they get.
People really need to find another hobby instead of trying to discredit Swift or slander her any chance they get.
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Haha, I don't really think he was trying to discredit or slander her, and she doesn't need us to defend her - she is doing just fine on her own. I just thought those two claims deserved a little context because as written I don't think they really told the full story.Aggie Therapist said:
She sells out Super Bowl level crowds 4 nights in a row at times. 3-4 hour set list.
People really need to find another hobby instead of trying to discredit Swift or slander her any chance they get.
someone call a wambulance!GarlandAg2012 said:*A week later, and by selling way fewer units (270,000 for Tool vs 450,000 on the first day alone for Swift)62strat said:44.Aggie Therapist said:How old are you?62strat said:I don't know one adult that is a Swift fan.nai06 said:Iraq2xVeteran said:
I was hoping Jelly Rolly would win an award, but that didn't happen. As a 49ers fan, I hope the 49ers beat the Chiefs for a 6th Super Bowl title and stop the Taylor Swift mania. I even know a few people in my church, who believe the 49ers are carrying the fate of the Presidential Election and the country on their backs.
Shortly after the matchup was announced, social media users started pointing out that the last time the two teams faced off was during a presidential election year. Noting that the last time both the Chiefs and Biden won, Democratic congressional staffer Sam Jeske wrote on X (formerly Twitter), "I guess we're rooting for the Chiefs, folks." Trump supporters, on the other hand, suggested that a win for San Francisco could mean a second Trump termor that both the Super Bowl and the presidential election are rigged.
"49ers are going to the Superbowl! 2024 is the redemption year!!" one Trump fan tweeted. "2020 was Kansas City Chiefs vs San Francisco 49ers, the 49ers lost and then Covid happened and President Trump lost his re-election. This is the year we can take it all the way back!! 49ers Win and President Trump wins 2024!"
Others pointed out that the repeat of both contests is merely a coincidence, and some acknowledged that neither the Super Bowl nor the election results have yet to be determined. So the 2020 winners could still lose, the 2020 losers could still win, or there could be one repeat victory and a new winner in the other.
https://www.newsweek.com/chiefs-49ers-super-bowl-sparks-theory-about-donald-trump-joe-biden-1864814
Regardless of who wins, the Taylor Swift Mania isn't stopping anytime soon. She announced a brand new album tonight when most people assumed she would be announcing the rerelease of her 6th album , Reputation (last one that she didn't own the masters to). That's pretty big news for Swift fans which is around half of all U.S. adults.
No way that is accurate.
I am Swift's age (34) and my wife is a year younger than us. We grew up with her since she hit the scene in the 2000s.
And guess what, we're all adults now.
I don't know of one aunt/uncle, cousin, parent, (plus all those on the inlaw side), all of our friends on our street, friends we still know from our 20s/30s, my kids, the kids my kids play with, my work (granted I'm in construction),, on and on.. I honestly don't know one person who would say they like her music, go to her concert, or let alone refer to themselves as a swiftie. I don't know of any of her songs except for a few that have showed up in movies (shake it off in sing comes to mind)
I'm not saying they don't exist, clearly she sold out stadiums and is the top streaming artist on spotify (which tells you a bunch right there; that is a millennial thing far and away)
I just think the ones that are there, they are immersed in it. There isn't a casual swift fan.. not far from Tool I guess (who beat her at number 1 on billboard*) or metallica (who outsold her at AT&T stadium**)
**Outsold her per night due to stage layout, but not overall. Swift had more total attendance over the full run at AT&T (2 nights vs 3 nights) and SoFi. (2 nights vs 6 nights)
of course she sold more tickets overall BECAUSE SHE PLAYED MORE SHOWS lol.
and of course it's not unheard of for a new release to bump a 2nd week release out of #1.. but that didn't stop the swifties to go absolutely bonkers
I'm out! Enjoy your time with 62strat
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62strat said:someone call a wambulance!GarlandAg2012 said:*A week later, and by selling way fewer units (270,000 for Tool vs 450,000 on the first day alone for Swift)62strat said:44.Aggie Therapist said:How old are you?62strat said:I don't know one adult that is a Swift fan.nai06 said:Iraq2xVeteran said:
I was hoping Jelly Rolly would win an award, but that didn't happen. As a 49ers fan, I hope the 49ers beat the Chiefs for a 6th Super Bowl title and stop the Taylor Swift mania. I even know a few people in my church, who believe the 49ers are carrying the fate of the Presidential Election and the country on their backs.
Shortly after the matchup was announced, social media users started pointing out that the last time the two teams faced off was during a presidential election year. Noting that the last time both the Chiefs and Biden won, Democratic congressional staffer Sam Jeske wrote on X (formerly Twitter), "I guess we're rooting for the Chiefs, folks." Trump supporters, on the other hand, suggested that a win for San Francisco could mean a second Trump termor that both the Super Bowl and the presidential election are rigged.
"49ers are going to the Superbowl! 2024 is the redemption year!!" one Trump fan tweeted. "2020 was Kansas City Chiefs vs San Francisco 49ers, the 49ers lost and then Covid happened and President Trump lost his re-election. This is the year we can take it all the way back!! 49ers Win and President Trump wins 2024!"
Others pointed out that the repeat of both contests is merely a coincidence, and some acknowledged that neither the Super Bowl nor the election results have yet to be determined. So the 2020 winners could still lose, the 2020 losers could still win, or there could be one repeat victory and a new winner in the other.
https://www.newsweek.com/chiefs-49ers-super-bowl-sparks-theory-about-donald-trump-joe-biden-1864814
Regardless of who wins, the Taylor Swift Mania isn't stopping anytime soon. She announced a brand new album tonight when most people assumed she would be announcing the rerelease of her 6th album , Reputation (last one that she didn't own the masters to). That's pretty big news for Swift fans which is around half of all U.S. adults.
No way that is accurate.
I am Swift's age (34) and my wife is a year younger than us. We grew up with her since she hit the scene in the 2000s.
And guess what, we're all adults now.
I don't know of one aunt/uncle, cousin, parent, (plus all those on the inlaw side), all of our friends on our street, friends we still know from our 20s/30s, my kids, the kids my kids play with, my work (granted I'm in construction),, on and on.. I honestly don't know one person who would say they like her music, go to her concert, or let alone refer to themselves as a swiftie. I don't know of any of her songs except for a few that have showed up in movies (shake it off in sing comes to mind)
I'm not saying they don't exist, clearly she sold out stadiums and is the top streaming artist on spotify (which tells you a bunch right there; that is a millennial thing far and away)
I just think the ones that are there, they are immersed in it. There isn't a casual swift fan.. not far from Tool I guess (who beat her at number 1 on billboard*) or metallica (who outsold her at AT&T stadium**)
**Outsold her per night due to stage layout, but not overall. Swift had more total attendance over the full run at AT&T (2 nights vs 3 nights) and SoFi. (2 nights vs 6 nights)
of course she sold more tickets overall BECAUSE SHE PLAYED MORE SHOWS lol.
and of course it's not unheard of for a new release to bump a 2nd week release out of #1.. but that didn't stop the swifties to go absolutely bonkers
Who sold more tickets at AT&T? Your claim is only true if you add more context. I don't understand what point you were making unless it was to imply that there was more demand for Metallica concert tickets than TS tickets, which is just not true.
Seeing swifties freak out about tool was indeed hilarious.
Metallica sold more on night 1 and night 2 at both AT&T and SOFIGarlandAg2012 said:62strat said:someone call a wambulance!GarlandAg2012 said:*A week later, and by selling way fewer units (270,000 for Tool vs 450,000 on the first day alone for Swift)62strat said:44.Aggie Therapist said:How old are you?62strat said:I don't know one adult that is a Swift fan.nai06 said:Iraq2xVeteran said:
I was hoping Jelly Rolly would win an award, but that didn't happen. As a 49ers fan, I hope the 49ers beat the Chiefs for a 6th Super Bowl title and stop the Taylor Swift mania. I even know a few people in my church, who believe the 49ers are carrying the fate of the Presidential Election and the country on their backs.
Shortly after the matchup was announced, social media users started pointing out that the last time the two teams faced off was during a presidential election year. Noting that the last time both the Chiefs and Biden won, Democratic congressional staffer Sam Jeske wrote on X (formerly Twitter), "I guess we're rooting for the Chiefs, folks." Trump supporters, on the other hand, suggested that a win for San Francisco could mean a second Trump termor that both the Super Bowl and the presidential election are rigged.
"49ers are going to the Superbowl! 2024 is the redemption year!!" one Trump fan tweeted. "2020 was Kansas City Chiefs vs San Francisco 49ers, the 49ers lost and then Covid happened and President Trump lost his re-election. This is the year we can take it all the way back!! 49ers Win and President Trump wins 2024!"
Others pointed out that the repeat of both contests is merely a coincidence, and some acknowledged that neither the Super Bowl nor the election results have yet to be determined. So the 2020 winners could still lose, the 2020 losers could still win, or there could be one repeat victory and a new winner in the other.
https://www.newsweek.com/chiefs-49ers-super-bowl-sparks-theory-about-donald-trump-joe-biden-1864814
Regardless of who wins, the Taylor Swift Mania isn't stopping anytime soon. She announced a brand new album tonight when most people assumed she would be announcing the rerelease of her 6th album , Reputation (last one that she didn't own the masters to). That's pretty big news for Swift fans which is around half of all U.S. adults.
No way that is accurate.
I am Swift's age (34) and my wife is a year younger than us. We grew up with her since she hit the scene in the 2000s.
And guess what, we're all adults now.
I don't know of one aunt/uncle, cousin, parent, (plus all those on the inlaw side), all of our friends on our street, friends we still know from our 20s/30s, my kids, the kids my kids play with, my work (granted I'm in construction),, on and on.. I honestly don't know one person who would say they like her music, go to her concert, or let alone refer to themselves as a swiftie. I don't know of any of her songs except for a few that have showed up in movies (shake it off in sing comes to mind)
I'm not saying they don't exist, clearly she sold out stadiums and is the top streaming artist on spotify (which tells you a bunch right there; that is a millennial thing far and away)
I just think the ones that are there, they are immersed in it. There isn't a casual swift fan.. not far from Tool I guess (who beat her at number 1 on billboard*) or metallica (who outsold her at AT&T stadium**)
**Outsold her per night due to stage layout, but not overall. Swift had more total attendance over the full run at AT&T (2 nights vs 3 nights) and SoFi. (2 nights vs 6 nights)
of course she sold more tickets overall BECAUSE SHE PLAYED MORE SHOWS lol.
Who sold more tickets at AT&T? Your claim is only true if you add more context.
but.. but.. it was the stage setup!
OK!
time will tell if she can do it when she's in her 60s. Now is her time; before her it was another pop act, and before them another.
edit to your edit;
My comment was simply comparing her fans to that of tool and metallica; generally not just casual fans.
I just threw those anecdotes in to show the power of a rabid fanbase; We had two metal bands, both decades old, beating the new pop star at whatever it may be.
My comment was simply comparing her fans to that of tool and metallica; generally not just casual fans.
I just threw those anecdotes in to show the power of a rabid fanbase; We had two metal bands, both decades old, beating the new pop star at whatever it may be.
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Ah ok, I see your point now. I agree, she definitely has a very high percentage of fans who are "superfans".62strat said:
edit to your edit;
My comment was simply comparing her fans to that of tool and metallica; generally not just casual fans.
I just threw those anecdotes in to show the power of a rabid fanbase; We had two metal bands, both decades old, beating the new pop star at whatever it may be.
I am very surprised that you don't know/know of a single TS fan. That seems almost impossible to me.
I guess I'll say, I'm not 100% sure no one I know listens to her music in any capacity. But the topic of her music has never come up in any conversation, I've never heard a song come up one a playlist if I'm hanging out with friends, etc.... I clearly do not hang out in the circles of people that actively listen to her.GarlandAg2012 said:Ah ok, I see your point now. I agree, she definitely has a very high percentage of fans who are "superfans".62strat said:
edit to your edit;
My comment was simply comparing her fans to that of tool and metallica; generally not just casual fans.
I just threw those anecdotes in to show the power of a rabid fanbase; We had two metal bands, both decades old, beating the new pop star at whatever it may be.
I am very surprised that you don't know/know of a single TS fan. That seems almost impossible to me.
Her name only comes up when talking about football/trending, etc..
So I am not someone who dislikes Swift; I've never listened to her music. But I would gander to guess, it wouldn't be for me. It just seems like teen girl/ bubblegum pop (based on shake it off from sing and browsing through some of her single titles, I've heard that romeo and juliet song, and pretty sure you belong with me), and I know she was country-ish in the early days.
Thinking of those 3 songs I know, I can't imagine why full grown adults would be so enamored over that, especially men. She must have more to offer, because this is bubble gum pop, and never before have purportedly half of US adults been in love with bubble gum pop.
I don't dislike pop in general, though I hate pop/bro country. I liked some of what gaga did, even katy perry had a few songs I enjoyed, and some of those of the past - madonna, etc.
I remember this about the same time as the tool controversy.
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Yes, while her biggest hits have at times been silly and not that deep, she has much more to offer IMO. I mean even her most recent big single Anti-Hero is a lot deeper than the song you quoted. If you're genuinely interested, I highly suggest watching her perform the 10 minute version of All Too Well on SNL:62strat said:I guess I'll say, I'm not 100% sure no one I know listens to her music in any capacity. But the topic of her music has never come up in any conversation, I've never heard a song come up one a playlist if I'm hanging out with friends, etc.... I clearly do not hang out in the circles of people that actively listen to her.GarlandAg2012 said:Ah ok, I see your point now. I agree, she definitely has a very high percentage of fans who are "superfans".62strat said:
edit to your edit;
My comment was simply comparing her fans to that of tool and metallica; generally not just casual fans.
I just threw those anecdotes in to show the power of a rabid fanbase; We had two metal bands, both decades old, beating the new pop star at whatever it may be.
I am very surprised that you don't know/know of a single TS fan. That seems almost impossible to me.
Her name only comes up when talking about football/trending, etc..
So I am not someone who dislikes Swift; I've never listened to her music. But I would gander to guess, it wouldn't be for me. It just seems like teen girl/ bubblegum pop (based on shake it off from sing and browsing through some of her single titles, I've heard that romeo and juliet song, and pretty sure you belong with me), and I know she was country-ish in the early days.
Thinking of those 3 songs I know, I can't imagine why full grown adults would be so enamored over that, especially men. She must have more to offer, because this is bubble gum pop, and never before have purportedly half of US adults been in love with bubble gum pop.
I don't dislike pop in general, though I hate pop/bro country. I liked some of what gaga did, even katy perry had a few songs I enjoyed, and some of those of the past - madonna, etc.
I remember this about the same time as the tool controversy.
This version of the song was released in 2021. The original song was released in 2012 (when she was 22) and was about 5 minutes long. In the promo for the album, she mentioned on Good Morning America that it was hard to cut down lyrically because a 10 minute song just wasn't feasible. Well, the fandom never let go of that and always semi-jokingly wanted to hear the 10 minute version. Once she started doing the re-recordings, she actually released the full 10 minute version, and it went to #1. I think the lyrics are fantastic but ymmv.
See, that kind of loses respect with me off the bat.Ga said:
. The original song was released in 2012 (when she was 22) and was about 5 minutes long. In the promo for the album, she mentioned on Good Morning America that it was hard to cut down lyrically because a 10 minute song just wasn't feasible.
Those are words from an artist that is writing for the charts, the masses, to get a hit. Saying 10 min isn't feasible.
It's absolutely feasible for an artist that is genuine. Metallica was pumping out nearly 10 minute songs at age 22, some of them instrumentals. I appreciate that genuineness; they weren't doing it for the hit, or the success. Almost in spite of really, and that's what makes it great.
But good on her I guess for eventually releasing it, albeit only because her fans wanted it. But she should have done it initially. The fans will come.
I'm a straight, 43-year-old male and most of my female friends here in California who are roughly my age and younger listen to Swift. Heck, even most of my male friends, who don't actively listen to her could at least name a few of her songs, and probably even have a favorite or two.
Personally, I enjoy her music. I don't necessarily seek it out, but for a week or two after each of her albums drop, I'm not above playing a couple of her best new songs in the car or whatever. Whichever way you slice it, no matter who you are, her best stuff is catchy as hell and instantly becomes part of the pop culture zeitgeist.
Also, just this past Christmas in Texas my entire extended family and I - 25+ people - had a good, 15-minute conversation about Swift, how insanely famous she's become, Travis Kelce, when they might get married, etc. It even got somewhat heated at times. And all six of my sisters/female cousins from my age down to their late 20s had each already either attended the Eras Tour in person or been to the theater to see the movie version. From my seven-year-old niece to my mom and aunts, they're all into Swift's music. And I feel like we're a pretty normal/standard family.
It's honestly shocking to me that in this day and age someone can claim that they don't know anyone who doesn't listen to Taylor Swift.
Personally, I enjoy her music. I don't necessarily seek it out, but for a week or two after each of her albums drop, I'm not above playing a couple of her best new songs in the car or whatever. Whichever way you slice it, no matter who you are, her best stuff is catchy as hell and instantly becomes part of the pop culture zeitgeist.
Also, just this past Christmas in Texas my entire extended family and I - 25+ people - had a good, 15-minute conversation about Swift, how insanely famous she's become, Travis Kelce, when they might get married, etc. It even got somewhat heated at times. And all six of my sisters/female cousins from my age down to their late 20s had each already either attended the Eras Tour in person or been to the theater to see the movie version. From my seven-year-old niece to my mom and aunts, they're all into Swift's music. And I feel like we're a pretty normal/standard family.
It's honestly shocking to me that in this day and age someone can claim that they don't know anyone who doesn't listen to Taylor Swift.
Thanks for proving my point. The demographics of her fanbase are majority Democrat. The left is far more rabid and demanding about celebrities picking a political side than the right has ever been. This is known.GarlandAg2012 said:Do you really believe this or is it just an easy line to toss out?YouBet said:
I haven't paid much attention to the Taylor Swift campaign conspiracy other than I read that the Biden campaign was going to actively engage Taylor Swift in their campaign. Which is smart by them because her fans are mindless zombies who will do anything she tells them to do. I would say pissing off Taylor by poking her on politics is a stupid play by Republicans. Very much an own goal.
Regarding Miley, didn't her and dad have a falling out several years ago? Anyway, she is so dirty hot. Damn. I also assumed her get up last night was a salute to Tina Turner. Tina Turner hairdo, Tina turner dress, danced like her in her live performance. She was awesome.
Hearing people complain about her and her politics lately is so funny to me because for years a large portion of her fanbase has been very upset with her for not being more politically active and outspoken.
That being said, I'm indifferent to her as I don't listen to her type of music. I did have one girl friend sample for me some of her more alternative stuff not too long ago and I thought it was pretty cool. It wasn't the pop boyfriend stuff. Have no idea names of songs or album though.
Alright, I'll Jump In The Fire with you again.
You have to love and respect Taylor for the musician she is. Amazing songwriter and Miss Americana. When I watch musicians, I look for the raw talent and the ability to repeat hits.
My first guitar was a B.C. Rich Warlock gifted to me by my father in 7th grade. This must have been in 2001 at Guitar Center, little red amp and crappiest tier possible. I spent hours on that thing practicing, I at one point memorized every Metallica riff. I was tranced in metal. I started entering talent shows and battle of the bands, and my dad loved to see me perform live so he bought me a bigger amp and I used my job money for a nice Jackson and threw in a 81/85 EMG set. I grew up loving music. We did Seek and Destroy/Fade to Black as two of our most favorite covers live. I spent hours upon hours rehearsing one song. This was a ****ty high school band.
What I'm trying to say is, you have to respect all musicians that stay dedicated to their craft and actually making it a source of income as an adult.
Why do I like Taylor? Because, my daughters asked me to learn guitar and start taking piano lessons. So here I am strumming Taylor swift songs on the acoustic guitar while my daughter plays on the piano in accompaniment. This is a huge moment for me as a father and "musician". My kids learning music and how to play instruments will go far beyond Taylor Swift.
You have to love and respect Taylor for the musician she is. Amazing songwriter and Miss Americana. When I watch musicians, I look for the raw talent and the ability to repeat hits.
My first guitar was a B.C. Rich Warlock gifted to me by my father in 7th grade. This must have been in 2001 at Guitar Center, little red amp and crappiest tier possible. I spent hours on that thing practicing, I at one point memorized every Metallica riff. I was tranced in metal. I started entering talent shows and battle of the bands, and my dad loved to see me perform live so he bought me a bigger amp and I used my job money for a nice Jackson and threw in a 81/85 EMG set. I grew up loving music. We did Seek and Destroy/Fade to Black as two of our most favorite covers live. I spent hours upon hours rehearsing one song. This was a ****ty high school band.
What I'm trying to say is, you have to respect all musicians that stay dedicated to their craft and actually making it a source of income as an adult.
Why do I like Taylor? Because, my daughters asked me to learn guitar and start taking piano lessons. So here I am strumming Taylor swift songs on the acoustic guitar while my daughter plays on the piano in accompaniment. This is a huge moment for me as a father and "musician". My kids learning music and how to play instruments will go far beyond Taylor Swift.
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It seems like you are more skeptical of her than you let on, and I don't really get why. She is both commercially successful, and a talented artist. She released a fully self-written album at age 19 and had it go #1 as a solo artist. She crossed over from Country to Pop to Indie/Folk successfully. She has the most Grammy wins for Album of the Year. She has the most successful tour of all time. She has produced 10 (soon to be 11) unique studio albums in 18 years, plus re-recorded 4 of her studio albums, recreating them from the ground up. Somehow that doesn't warrant respect, much less admiration or fandom of many people. I am obviously biased as a fan so maybe I just don't understand the other perspectives.62strat said:See, that kind of loses respect with me off the bat.Ga said:
. The original song was released in 2012 (when she was 22) and was about 5 minutes long. In the promo for the album, she mentioned on Good Morning America that it was hard to cut down lyrically because a 10 minute song just wasn't feasible.
Those are words from an artist that is writing for the charts, the masses, to get a hit. Saying 10 min isn't feasible.
It's absolutely feasible for an artist that is genuine. Metallica was pumping out nearly 10 minute songs at age 22, some of them instrumentals. I appreciate that genuineness; they weren't doing it for the hit, or the success. Almost in spite of really, and that's what makes it great.
But good on her I guess for eventually releasing it, albeit only because her fans wanted it. But she should have done it initially. The fans will come.
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I don't see how what I said proves your point about what I asked about. How are we/they "mindless zombies" if they are unhappy with her political actions or lack thereof? Do I strike you as a mindless zombie?YouBet said:Thanks for proving my point. The demographics of her fanbase are majority Democrat. The left is far more rabid and demanding about celebrities picking a political side than the right has ever been. This is known.GarlandAg2012 said:Do you really believe this or is it just an easy line to toss out?YouBet said:
I haven't paid much attention to the Taylor Swift campaign conspiracy other than I read that the Biden campaign was going to actively engage Taylor Swift in their campaign. Which is smart by them because her fans are mindless zombies who will do anything she tells them to do. I would say pissing off Taylor by poking her on politics is a stupid play by Republicans. Very much an own goal.
Regarding Miley, didn't her and dad have a falling out several years ago? Anyway, she is so dirty hot. Damn. I also assumed her get up last night was a salute to Tina Turner. Tina Turner hairdo, Tina turner dress, danced like her in her live performance. She was awesome.
Hearing people complain about her and her politics lately is so funny to me because for years a large portion of her fanbase has been very upset with her for not being more politically active and outspoken.
That being said, I'm indifferent to her as I don't listen to her type of music. I did have one girl friend sample for me some of her more alternative stuff not too long ago and I thought it was pretty cool. It wasn't the pop boyfriend stuff. Have no idea names of songs or album though.
For the record, I appreciate that she is relatively apolitical. I have not voted for a candidate she has endorsed.
Also self produced her own $200 million tour movie.
Garland, I think it has to do with the fact I view her as a pop star. None of those accolades surprise me from a pop star perspective. Pop sells.
Now the Beatles putting out all the critically acclaimed stuff in the few later years of the 60s, that impresses me.
Or metallica doing it in their early 20s in 4-5 years.
Or zeppelin putting out their first few records in a few years.
Are we( you, the swift fans) calling her the Beatles, or zeppelin? Bands that have proven their legacy lasts multiple generations?
She just doesn't equate to me as the same accomplishment. It's pop. Pop sells, but it's often soon forgotten, or maybe coasts in later years, with occasionally resurgence. Look at spears or Christina or spice girls or backstreet boys. They all dominated in their day. In my opinion, the trend will fade. As I said earlier, only time will tell.
Granted, as you said she's matured, it's not all bubble gum pop anymore. But it was, and that's what launched it.
Now the Beatles putting out all the critically acclaimed stuff in the few later years of the 60s, that impresses me.
Or metallica doing it in their early 20s in 4-5 years.
Or zeppelin putting out their first few records in a few years.
Are we( you, the swift fans) calling her the Beatles, or zeppelin? Bands that have proven their legacy lasts multiple generations?
She just doesn't equate to me as the same accomplishment. It's pop. Pop sells, but it's often soon forgotten, or maybe coasts in later years, with occasionally resurgence. Look at spears or Christina or spice girls or backstreet boys. They all dominated in their day. In my opinion, the trend will fade. As I said earlier, only time will tell.
Granted, as you said she's matured, it's not all bubble gum pop anymore. But it was, and that's what launched it.
see, as I suspected. You didnt find Taylor and fall in love. Your kids (daughters) did, and you follow along.Aggie Therapist said:
Why do I like Taylor? Because, my daughters asked me to learn guitar and start taking piano lessons. So here I am strumming Taylor swift songs on the acoustic guitar while my daughter plays on the piano in accompaniment. This is a huge moment for me as a father and "musician". My kids learning music and how to play instruments will go far beyond Taylor Swift.
My boys don't know any Taylor swift; they know a lot of metal though!
My 6 year olds first guitar riff he learned was crazy train lol.
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She's been a massive star going on 20 years now, absolutely spanning multiple generations. My 35-year-old sister loves her, as does her seven-year-old daughter, just as much if not more so. With the Eras Tour setting concert records, I've heard multiple pundits/journalist as of late seriously discussing her as the biggest musical act since Michael Jackson, which I would agree with. Add in the whole NFL thing this fall, and this very week, between her dominating the Grammys last night, selling out Japan in a few days, and then flying home to attend the Super Bowl on Sunday, in which her boyfriend is the star, one could make the argument that right at this very moment she's the most famous any human being has been since the '80s/'90s, at the height of the Michael Jackson/Michael Jordan era of fame. Maybe even more so with social media.
I totally agree. Right now, she is.TCTTS said:
Add in the whole NFL thing this fall, and this very week, between her dominating the Grammys last night, selling out Japan in a few days, and then flying home to attend the Super Bowl on Sunday, in which her boyfriend is the star, one could make the argument that right at this very moment she's the most famous any human being has been since the '80s/'90s, at the height of the Michael Jackson/Michael Jordan era of fame. Maybe even more so with social media.
But it won't be long before she isn't.
But that footnote certainly doesn't make me want to go and try to become a fan. I feel like her fans wonder how someone like me could exist. How could I NOT want to jump on the bandwagon and become a fan? How could I not be drinking this koolaide!
Your post reminds me of Disturbed's David Draiman when asked about his views on Taylor Swift
"I would love to cover a Taylor Swift song, I think that she is one of the most prolific songwriters of our generation," Draiman said during the interview. "I think she's insanely talented. I'd love to collaborate with Taylor if she ever wanted to on any given day."
And then there's this video
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8vdvXHM/
"I would love to cover a Taylor Swift song, I think that she is one of the most prolific songwriters of our generation," Draiman said during the interview. "I think she's insanely talented. I'd love to collaborate with Taylor if she ever wanted to on any given day."
And then there's this video
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8vdvXHM/
To be fair, people we're saying that when she was singing country music 20 years ago.Quote:
But it won't be long before she isn't.
bigjag19 said:
There are many. I promise you.
I saw a 40ish year old mom of another kid in my kids girl scout troop wearing an eras tour shirt yesterday at our meeting.
Looking at spotify statsTCTTS said:
She's been a massive star going on 20 years now,
https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/06HL4z0CvFAxyc27GXpf02.html
Nearly every song on here peaked within the last 6-7 years. I'm an excel nerd so did some quick data calcs..
50% of these stream counts were after 10/2022
75% are after 8/2020
90% are after 5/2019
So that isn't painting a picture that's she's been 'massive for 20 years'. She's massive now, and the recent surge has certainly helped her back catalogue, plus the re-release of the handful of albums to pad all these sales and streams. She was certainly successful in late 00s and early teens out the gate, but nothing compared to today.
Yes her older albums are all now multi-platinum so you'd think I was a fool to say her earlier stuff wasn't successful, but that's not an accurate picture as lots of time has passed with a more recent surge. Fearless wasn't diamond until 2017, nearly a decade later. Compared to
[ol]
All I'm trying to say is, 20 years is a stretch. She's been massive for 5, maybe 7 or 8.
Seeing adele in that list.. she had her first 3 albums explode. 2 of them diamond, one is 8x plat.
She doesn't have the NFL angle and the look (tall thin blonde american girl)
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