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TCTTS said:

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Add in the whole NFL thing this fall, and this very week, between her dominating the Grammys last night, selling out Japan in a few days, and then flying home to attend the Super Bowl on Sunday, in which her boyfriend is the star, one could make the argument that right at this very moment she's the most famous any human being has been since the '80s/'90s, at the height of the Michael Jackson/Michael Jordan era of fame. Maybe even more so with social media.

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I totally agree. Right now, she is.
But it won't be long before she isn't.
But that footnote certainly doesn't make me want to go and try to become a fan. I feel like her fans wonder how someone like me could exist. How could I NOT want to jump on the bandwagon and become a fan? How could I not be drinking this koolaide!

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62strat said:

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I'm no Swift expert, but you've gotta give her at least 10 years. Unless you were living under a rock in 2014, you couldn't get away from Shake it Off and Blank Space.

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yeh I'd go 10. That's about when I first heard of her if I remember. Mainly sing.
So for her to get on the radar of a not much of a pop listener, that getting pretty prevalant.

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Aust Ag said:

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They showed her several times. She was wearing the cowboy hat.

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I saw like 3 highlights with the "person" in the cowboy hat and had no idea that was her.

Did her no favors, Leon Russell look doesn't fit her.

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walton91 said:

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Aust Ag said:

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BourbonAg said:

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They showed her several times. She was wearing the cowboy hat.

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I saw like 3 highlights with the "person" in the cowboy hat and had no idea that was her.

Did her no favors, Leon Russell look doesn't fit her.

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FWIW, I read today there are rumors her next album will be country.

Tracy Chapman and Luke Combs were the highlight of the night for me. Such a great collaboration on that song. Grammys did a good job with the InMemorium. They gave it a lot of time, multiple musicians accompanied, and I don't think they had any major omissions, which you always hear about. I was quite pleasantly surprised when I saw Charlie Robison included. I thought even Trevor Noah did a good job

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62strat said:

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TCTTS said:

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She's been a massive star going on 20 years now,

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Looking at spotify stats

https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/06HL4z0CvFAxyc27GXpf02.html

Nearly every song on here peaked within the last 6-7 years. I'm an excel nerd so did some quick data calcs..

50% of these stream counts were after 10/2022
75% are after 8/2020
90% are after 5/2019

So that isn't painting a picture that's she's been 'massive for 20 years'. She's massive now, and the recent surge has certainly helped her back catalogue, plus the re-release of the handful of albums to pad all these sales and streams. She was certainly successful in late 00s and early teens out the gate, but nothing compared to today.


Yes her older albums are all now multi-platinum so you'd think I was a fool to say her earlier stuff wasn't successful, but that's not an accurate picture as lots of time has passed with a more recent surge. Fearless wasn't diamond until 2017, nearly a decade later. Compared to
[ol]

Backstreet Boys' Millennium 39 weeks

N'Sync's No Strings Attached 43 weeks

Santana's Supernatural 60 weeks

Alanis Morissette's Jagged Little Pill 66 weeks

The Bodyguard Soundtrack 72 weeks

Adele's 21 92 weeks

Creed's Human Clay 93 weeks

Shania Twain's Come On Over 96 weeks

[/ol]

All I'm trying to say is, 20 years is a stretch. She's been massive for 5, maybe 7 or 8.

Seeing adele in that list.. she had her first 3 albums explode. 2 of them diamond, one is 8x plat.
She doesn't have the NFL angle and the look (tall thin blonde american girl)

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62strat said:

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_lefraud_ said:

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62strat said:

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TCTTS said:

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She's been a massive star going on 20 years now,

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Looking at spotify stats

https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/06HL4z0CvFAxyc27GXpf02.html

Nearly every song on here peaked within the last 6-7 years. I'm an excel nerd so did some quick data calcs..

50% of these stream counts were after 10/2022
75% are after 8/2020
90% are after 5/2019

So that isn't painting a picture that's she's been 'massive for 20 years'. She's massive now, and the recent surge has certainly helped her back catalogue, plus the re-release of the handful of albums to pad all these sales and streams. She was certainly successful in late 00s and early teens out the gate, but nothing compared to today.


Yes her older albums are all now multi-platinum so you'd think I was a fool to say her earlier stuff wasn't successful, but that's not an accurate picture as lots of time has passed with a more recent surge. Fearless wasn't diamond until 2017, nearly a decade later. Compared to
[ol]

Backstreet Boys' Millennium 39 weeks

N'Sync's No Strings Attached 43 weeks

Santana's Supernatural 60 weeks

Alanis Morissette's Jagged Little Pill 66 weeks

The Bodyguard Soundtrack 72 weeks

Adele's 21 92 weeks

Creed's Human Clay 93 weeks

Shania Twain's Come On Over 96 weeks

[/ol]

All I'm trying to say is, 20 years is a stretch. She's been massive for 5, maybe 7 or 8.

Seeing adele in that list.. she had her first 3 albums explode. 2 of them diamond, one is 8x plat.
She doesn't have the NFL angle and the look (tall thin blonde american girl)

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Fearless won Album of the Year in 2010…she was 20 years old, she's now 34.

Thinking Taylor Swift is some sort of fad that will fade like a 90s boy band is one of the most ridiculous takes on TexAgs…ever

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I was refuting the '20 years of massive stardom'. Single or first time Album of the year winners do not correlate to massive stardom by any stretch. Beck, arcade fire, Mumford, daft punk, etc.

Her stream stats support my belief. She was not raking in billions of streams from the get go. She left Spotify in 2014, came back in 2017, fearless finally hits diamond and by 2020, her stream domination was solidified.

That was my argument, her massive stardom is maybe 10 years, not 20.

She's certainly not fading into oblivion, but like all massive stars of the past that were on top, the frenzy settles. they continue on, but another artist will take the throne of being the latest sensation.

Madonna, boy bands, spears, Gaga, Perry, Beyonc still doing it…. etc.

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62strat said:

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_lefraud_ said:

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62strat said:

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TCTTS said:

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She's been a massive star going on 20 years now,

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Looking at spotify stats

https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/06HL4z0CvFAxyc27GXpf02.html

Nearly every song on here peaked within the last 6-7 years. I'm an excel nerd so did some quick data calcs..

50% of these stream counts were after 10/2022
75% are after 8/2020
90% are after 5/2019

So that isn't painting a picture that's she's been 'massive for 20 years'. She's massive now, and the recent surge has certainly helped her back catalogue, plus the re-release of the handful of albums to pad all these sales and streams. She was certainly successful in late 00s and early teens out the gate, but nothing compared to today.


Yes her older albums are all now multi-platinum so you'd think I was a fool to say her earlier stuff wasn't successful, but that's not an accurate picture as lots of time has passed with a more recent surge. Fearless wasn't diamond until 2017, nearly a decade later. Compared to
[ol]

Backstreet Boys' Millennium 39 weeks

N'Sync's No Strings Attached 43 weeks

Santana's Supernatural 60 weeks

Alanis Morissette's Jagged Little Pill 66 weeks

The Bodyguard Soundtrack 72 weeks

Adele's 21 92 weeks

Creed's Human Clay 93 weeks

Shania Twain's Come On Over 96 weeks

[/ol]

All I'm trying to say is, 20 years is a stretch. She's been massive for 5, maybe 7 or 8.

Seeing adele in that list.. she had her first 3 albums explode. 2 of them diamond, one is 8x plat.
She doesn't have the NFL angle and the look (tall thin blonde american girl)

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Fearless won Album of the Year in 2010…she was 20 years old, she's now 34.

Thinking Taylor Swift is some sort of fad that will fade like a 90s boy band is one of the most ridiculous takes on TexAgs…ever

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I was refuting the '20 years of massive stardom'. Single or first time Album of the year winners do not correlate to massive stardom by any stretch. Beck, arcade fire, Mumford, daft punk, etc.

Her stream stats support my belief. She was not raking in billions of streams from the get go. She left Spotify in 2014, came back in 2017, fearless finally hits diamond and by 2020, her stream domination was solidified.

That was my argument, her massive stardom is maybe 10 years, not 20.

She's certainly not fading into oblivion, but like all massive stars of the past that were on top, the frenzy settles. they continue on, but another artist will take the throne of being the latest sensation.

Madonna, boy bands, spears, Gaga, Perry, Beyonc still doing it…. etc.

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Full performance of Fast Car by Tracy Chapman with Luke Combs at the Grammys.

Her smile at the beginning is the best. pic.twitter.com/Eo8aw15Snf

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) February 5, 2024