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I like Fast Car. I'm just a little confused as to how someone could win a Grammy for copying a song verbatim and not even attempt to make it his own. It even sounds like the original at times. And said song already won her a Grammy back when she released it 20-30 years ago. Seems like double dipping and robbing someone of a Grammy that did something original.

But I admit I do not know all of the award categories and maybe there is an award for stuff like this.

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Luke Combs was nominated for "Fast Car" but didn't win.

He apparently chose to make his version as close as possible to the original as a tribute to Tracy Chapman.

Naturally (in the year 2024), Combs took a lot of heat for the success of the song.

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Yep, thought he won the Grammy but was wrong. So he did win CMA Single of the Year and Song of the Year. I think he should take heat but only from the POV that he won an award for it. People redo songs all the damn time; it's part and parcel to music.

But an exact replica of someone else's art should not be eligible for Song of the Year. I get that she gets the song writing credit but shouldn't these awards be reserved for original content?

Give him the Best Reproduction of Someone Else's Work Award.

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But an exact replica of someone else's art should not be eligible for Song of the Year. I get that she gets the song writing credit but shouldn't these awards be reserved for original content?

Give him the Best Reproduction of Someone Else's Work Award.

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The award (that he didn't win) was called Best Solo Performance.

He performed. It was pretty good.

More people should have been better with their own songs if they wanted to win.

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The cherry picking here is, not surprisingly, off the charts. As is the aforementioned disregard of the plethora of sh*t made back in the "good ol' days" as well.

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2023 Box Office. I've highlighted the not pre-existing franchises for you. I marked the films that attempt to re-tell historical events, or are adaptations of pre-existing works with a blue mark. Of those that remain they are primarily either:

1) An animated kids movie
2) A romantic comedy
3) A horror film

But yeah. I'm cherry-picking.

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But an exact replica of someone else's art should not be eligible for Song of the Year. I get that she gets the song writing credit but shouldn't these awards be reserved for original content?

Give him the Best Reproduction of Someone Else's Work Award.

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The award (that he didn't win) was called Best Solo Performance.

He performed. It was pretty good.

More people should have been better with their own songs if they wanted to win.

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He sang a song exactly like the person who already performed it 30 years ago who won a Grammy for it the first time. Glad he didn't win because he shouldn't. Because logic.

To your point, that tells me all other country artists are really damn terrible at performing or the award is stupid.

Talk to text, then edit where necessary. I hardly ever hand type on my phone, it is 2024 after all!

I wasn't trying to say it's bad he covered it. I like how much credit he gives to Tracy Chapman and how much the song speaks to him. I just personally never wanted to listen to his cover. But I'm glad other people enjoy it.

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At least give me some acoustic guitars. An hour of bass&drums and synth just doesn't do it for me. Is that what people like to hear these days?

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Like, everybody gets that you're just bored and trolling at this point.

But how in the hell did you find yourself here if you have no idea what's going on?

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I'm not trolling. I actually listened to a full album of hers. How many haters gonna hate hate hate and not even do that.

I'm not sure what you're asking on the second part. This is a thread about Grammys (sorry, Grammy's) that I started to read.

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In the 40s and 50s, 75% of movies were westerns, gangster or detective movies. If only the internet was around back then.

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I invite you to look at the top grossing films for every year from 40 to 59 and see how the rate of gangster, detective and westerns appear relative to the rate of appearance of super hero films from 2010 to today. I think you'll find your comparison doesn't even remotely hold up and it's not the genre overlap that's the issue it's the derivative nature of those movies and the worse storytelling because they rely on visuals and action.


And I like that the criticism of my critique is, yeah movies have fallen off and so has music, but not all of it is bad, and TV is better than it has ver been without recognition to the fact that TV is now trending in the same direction that film did in the mid 2000's where a larger and larger proportion of the content is derived from existing franchises. It's going to get worse due to the proliferation of streaming services and their need to quickly gain attention without explanation of why a person might be interested in subscribing to watch a show.


It's not a commentary on moral degeneracy (though that is certainly one of the other tools being used to garner attention), or even that those derivative works are universally bad, but rather there's an accelerating reduction in creativity and risk taking. It's not an issue exclusive to entertainment either.


It's why anime has seen growth in popularity, because at least they're telling unique stories, which is why Netflix is now attempting to develop them into live action shows while generally misunderstanding what made them interesting in the first place.

If you listen to Fearless, you will just complain about the lyrics

Listen to Folklore

I mean what do you want? This isn't necessarily a new phenomenon, it's just pop music. It's created to appeal to the broadest audience possible.

Remember Back Street Boys, N Sync, One Direction, BTS?

they aren't/weren't musically groundbreaking in their heydays, but they were/are still the most popular groups in the world.

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I think the weirdest thing about this to me is the superfandom of adults. In my life, superfandom has been left to teenagers and young adults, but now grown men and women are on that hype train. I dont recall rabid Fandom like this from adults in my life, but it may also partially be social media one upsmanship driven.

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I agree with this ... there was a lot of social cachet around getting TS tickets this last tour. Big IG content moment.

ETA: There's a whole social phenomenon around girls/women dressing up, going out in groups, dressing up, etc., that Taylor Swift -- who is seen as both safe and a feminine icon -- has capitalized on.

Look at the popularity of girls' weekends, Galentines, winery trips, etc., etc. I was at dinner over the weekend at a restaurant inside the loop and there were at least three huge parties of teen-age girls or women, all dressed in various themes.

It's not surprising to see how a TS concert creates a lot of hype. It fits right into the zeitgeist.

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I mean what do you want? This isn't necessarily a new phenomenon, it's just pop music. It's created to appeal to the broadest audience possible.

Remember Back Street Boys, N Sync, One Direction, BTS?

they aren't/weren't musically groundbreaking in their heydays, but they were/are still the most popular groups in the world.

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what sea speed said below you.

I know what pop is, and it's always appealed to younger people.

But according to some on here, half of adults in America like TS.

So why? What I heard sounds like it would be liked by young people, fine. But 50 year old men?
They are majorly drinking the koolaid I guess. And then they get in here with this 'I actually really enjoyed the show blah blah'. Do they enjoy Backstreet Boys dancing around on stage too? Because that was done for teenage and young adult girls.

Something like Adele, alanis, Santana, was different. It easily appealed to adults.
Or something like creed human clay which not only gets adult contemporary but rock people too.
(If my list seems random, I'm pulling from the 10 fastest albums ever to go diamond, I listed earlier in thread)

But ok, folklore it is. If it's not bad I'd try a third, but if this doesn't appeal to me I guess I'm done.

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I think the weirdest thing about this to me is the superfandom of adults. In my life, superfandom has been left to teenagers and young adults, but now grown men and women are on that hype train. I dont recall rabid Fandom like this from adults in my life, but it may also partially be social media one upsmanship driven.

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I mean, Sherlock Holmes fans famously threw such an uproar at his death in The Final Problem that Arthur Conan Doyle had to retcon it, so superfandom is absolutely nothing new. You just have more exposure to it in general because of the internet.

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Super fans have been around for decades.

Dead heads? Beatles fans, crazy Elvis fans, metal heads that worship Metallica, insane clown posse followers, people crying at Michael Jackson concerts…….

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There's just a tiny bit of difference between Taylor Swift's style of music and the artists you mention.

Also, old people hated the Beatles and Elvis. And I doubt many 50-year-olds heard Insane Clown Posse for the first time and dropped $6,000 on tickets.

But this isn't my argument. LOL

I bought my first Blink182 album when I was 10 or 11 -- Cheshire cat. Im now almost 40 and I still really like Blink182. I know their latest tour hype was surrounding the fact that Mark, Travis, and Tom were together again after Tom left the band for a few years, but I still generally like Blink182 and would have loved to go see them live, even though im not really a tour guy. Did you see those ticket prices? Do you think it was mostly teenagers there listening to them sing songs about jacking off or ben wa balls? or 40+ year olds?

I wouldnt consider myself a superfan by any means, and I can see your point with that, but I dunno I just generally let people like things even if I dont really get it.

Lot of natural tones and sounds in folklore

More of a "acoustic set" vibe if you will. Piano, drums, acoustic guitar

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Are we talking about SeaSpeed's fancy watch or 62strat's Metal Militia?

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lol I don't even know either.

Alright swifties, I listened to midnights on the way to work.

That was a tough listen I gotta be honest. Very synthy, with many songs sounding really similar, no variety, and at times it sounded like I was listening to a 17 year old girl talk about her boyfriend. By track 3 I realized I already heard 2 songs that used some combination of I,V,vi,IV… blah.


Seriously, where are the adult men that listen to this on their own accord? Then turn in your card. If your wife or daughters like it then yeh go along for the ride, I certainly have enjoyed stuff my kids like that I otherwise wouldn't have, like counting stars or high hopes stuff.

I gave it a shot. I'm sure someone will tell me oh you gotta listen to this or that instead, but this is what just won album of the year. Clearly I am out of touch with what people like because this was very unoriginal and not much depth, certainly doesn't seem like AoTY stuff, in my humble opinion. Looks like it has about 30 musicians throughout the album and technical team of about 30.

Maybe I should try fearless. At least give me some acoustic guitars. An hour of bass&drums and synth just doesn't do it for me. Is that what people like to hear these days?

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I applaud you for giving it an open minded try. I actually don't think Midnights is her best work, but I'd hardly say every song sounds really similar. That said, I'm a bit surprised nothing stood out to you, because she actually has a pretty interesting fandom among a lot of metalheads.

https://www.pennlive.com/entertainment/2024/01/heavy-metal-bands-lead-singer-shuts-down-taylor-swift-haters-during-concert-she-is-for-real.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/q5a7p4/why_do_you_think_taylor_swift_is_so_popular_among/

Then again, when you're as popular as she is, there's bound to be a fair amount of overlap so it's probably not that noteworthy.

I would absolutely encourage you to give folklore a try if you're open to it.

Folklore: Long Pond Studio Sessions is an amazing documentary

I encourage all too watch if you haven't

EclipseAg said:

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Super fans have been around for decades.

Dead heads? Beatles fans, crazy Elvis fans, metal heads that worship Metallica, insane clown posse followers, people crying at Michael Jackson concerts…….

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There's just a tiny bit of difference between Taylor Swift's style of music and the artists you mention.

Also, old people hated the Beatles and Elvis. And I doubt many 50-year-olds heard Insane Clown Posse for the first time and dropped $6,000 on tickets.

But this isn't my argument. LOL

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Parents in the era of Elvis and Beatlemania grew up on the big band music. Of course they hated the Beatles. There was zero crossover in generations. A 50 year old in whose kids listened to Insane Clown Posse grew up on the Beatles. Still a stark difference with small crossover. "Old" people today grew up on Nirvana, Snoop, R.E.M., Mariah Carey, etc so there is a huge amount of crossover. Taylor Swift is a shared experience between parents and kids but we are surprised adults would be into TS?

Using insane clown posse as an argument for being a Taylor swift super fan is wild. One group is a white trash backyard wrestling niche rap group and the other is literally branded ti appeal to the most people possible.

I think forgot the most famous of all... Jimmy Buffet fans

They've always been around, they just didn't have social media.