No I have not, I thought that was pretty obvious by not knowing that she was a black woman with dreads.

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I legit would have never guessed Tracy Chapman was a black woman with dreadlocks.

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lol. Someone isn't old enough to have seen the mtv video!

Summer '88, that and parents just don't understand are engrained in my memory.

I guess the Grammys was last weekend. Heard about it on the radio. Not sure, but I don't care anymore. I used to look forward to it in the 80s. Maybe current music does not interest me.

Anyway, I am reading on Linkedin that it was one where women made a big move forward. All the feminists and victim minded women are raving about it.

What exactly happened?

Aggie Therapist said:

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Sure you weren't on the Politics Thread?

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There was no thread discussing Grammys there. I didn't feel like creating a new one

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Sea Speed said:

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I legit would have never guessed Tracy Chapman was a black woman with dreadlocks.

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lol. Someone isn't old enough to have seen the mtv video!

Summer '88, that and parents just don't understand are engrained in my memory.

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I always liked "Give Me One Reason" way better than "Fast Car"

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me too def.
Fast car kind of drags on to me.

Not that gimme one reason doesn't, but it's straight blues and designed to be that way.

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TCTTS said:

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She's been a massive star going on 20 years now,

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Looking at spotify stats

https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/06HL4z0CvFAxyc27GXpf02.html

Nearly every song on here peaked within the last 6-7 years. I'm an excel nerd so did some quick data calcs..

50% of these stream counts were after 10/2022
75% are after 8/2020
90% are after 5/2019

So that isn't painting a picture that's she's been 'massive for 20 years'. She's massive now, and the recent surge has certainly helped her back catalogue, plus the re-release of the handful of albums to pad all these sales and streams. She was certainly successful in late 00s and early teens out the gate, but nothing compared to today.


Yes her older albums are all now multi-platinum so you'd think I was a fool to say her earlier stuff wasn't successful, but that's not an accurate picture as lots of time has passed with a more recent surge. Fearless wasn't diamond until 2017, nearly a decade later. Compared to
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Backstreet Boys' Millennium 39 weeks

N'Sync's No Strings Attached 43 weeks

Santana's Supernatural 60 weeks

Alanis Morissette's Jagged Little Pill 66 weeks

The Bodyguard Soundtrack 72 weeks

Adele's 21 92 weeks

Creed's Human Clay 93 weeks

Shania Twain's Come On Over 96 weeks

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All I'm trying to say is, 20 years is a stretch. She's been massive for 5, maybe 7 or 8.

Seeing adele in that list.. she had her first 3 albums explode. 2 of them diamond, one is 8x plat.
She doesn't have the NFL angle and the look (tall thin blonde american girl)

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Fearless won Album of the Year in 2010…she was 20 years old, she's now 34.

Thinking Taylor Swift is some sort of fad that will fade like a 90s boy band is one of the most ridiculous takes on TexAgs…ever

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I was refuting the '20 years of massive stardom'. Single or first time Album of the year winners do not correlate to massive stardom by any stretch. Beck, arcade fire, Mumford, daft punk, etc.

Her stream stats support my belief. She was not raking in billions of streams from the get go. She left Spotify in 2014, came back in 2017, fearless finally hits diamond and by 2020, her stream domination was solidified.

That was my argument, her massive stardom is maybe 10 years, not 20.

She's certainly not fading into oblivion, but like all massive stars of the past that were on top, the frenzy settles. they continue on, but another artist will take the throne of being the latest sensation.

Madonna, boy bands, spears, Gaga, Perry, Beyonc still doing it…. etc.

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"She was not taking in billions of Spotify streams from the get go"

Her first two albums were released in 2006 and 2008.

Spotify was created in the fall of 2008.

What a ridiculous statement because no one even had Spotify during that time…

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Correct, it is ridiculous to think she'd have billions of streams in 2008.
You missed the part where I said 50% of her streams are in the last 15 months (which is incorrect, it's actually 62%).. So what about 2017-2021? Was no one streaming then either?

This clearly points to the last 3-4ish years being most of her rise, by this metric anyway. She's had nearly 2x more streams in the last 15 months then she did the previous 5 years.

Man I can't believe some of you defend her so much. You'd think she was your sister. Geez all to refute someone's statement of her being massive for 20 years. I simply think 20 years is overly generous.

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I legit would have never guessed Tracy Chapman was a black woman with dreadlocks.

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lol. Someone isn't old enough to have seen the mtv video!

Summer '88, that and parents just don't understand are engrained in my memory.

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We didn't own a TV until I was 12 and then it was only basic channels, not cable.

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Correct, it is ridiculous to think she'd have billions of streams in 2008.
You missed the part where I said 50% of her streams are in the last 15 months (which is incorrect, it's actually 62%).. So what about 2017-2021? Was no one streaming then either?

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You realize that she withheld her catalog from Spotify during this timeframe, right? As part of a whole thing fighting for artist's terms?

(No, I'm sure you don't realize that, you're pretending you and no one you know has any idea who she is).

Check your facts if you're gonna keep trying to pretend to spout facts.

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she withheld from 11/2014-6/2017.

Thanks though, it has no bearing on what I'm saying.

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I legit would have never guessed Tracy Chapman was a black woman with dreadlocks.

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lol. Someone isn't old enough to have seen the mtv video!

Summer '88, that and parents just don't understand are engrained in my memory.

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I always liked "Give Me One Reason" way better than "Fast Car"

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I've always hated "Fast Car." Everything about it just makes me grit my teeth. I hate it when TC sings it; I hate it when Luke Combs sings it.

There's not too many pop or country songs I can't listen to, but that's one of them.

I realize others love it, so that's cool.

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I think it's because a lot of people are confused over what you are trying to argue about. At first, you said you didn't really know Taylor Swift and knew nobody who is a fan of hers. Now, it seems you are saying, yes she's famous now, but it's not a big deal because you think the length of her fame is insignificant. I think it's just a bit confusing what your point is exactly.

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I've only really 'argued' one thing;
Someone says she's been a massive star for 20 years.. Then it's 'people said 20 years ago she wouldn't be the most famous person on earth' to which I respond, well she wasn't massive 20 years ago lol. She was an opener 15 years ago, and spotify says she exponentially grew in the last 3-4 years, to which someone responds um ackchewually she wasn't on spotify for a while but you probably didn't know that, or spotify wasn't around when her first album came out, as if the absence of spotify in 2006 or her catalogue gone from 14-17 has bearing on my comment, which was about the last few years being a large chunk of her streams.

That's about it really. Otherwise I'm just responding to people's comments.
Someone says 'it seems impossible you don't anyone that is a fan of TS', or ' it's shocking to me you don't know anyone that listens to TS'
So I respond. It's not that hard to believe. Anyone who makes this claim is likely a fans who hangs with others who are fans, compared to someone who isn't a fan, especially one who is a metalhead lol. I'm not arguing anything here; the fans seem to be arguing that maybe I'm lying, because this is so implausible.

I like Fast Car. I'm just a little confused as to how someone could win a Grammy for copying a song verbatim and not even attempt to make it his own. It even sounds like the original at times. And said song already won her a Grammy back when she released it 20-30 years ago. Seems like double dipping and robbing someone of a Grammy that did something original.

But I admit I do not know all of the award categories and maybe there is an award for stuff like this.

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I like Fast Car. I'm just a little confused as to how someone could win a Grammy for copying a song verbatim and not even attempt to make it his own. It even sounds like the original at times. And said song already won her a Grammy back when she released it 20-30 years ago. Seems like double dipping and robbing someone of a Grammy that did something original.

But I admit I do not know all of the award categories and maybe there is an award for stuff like this.

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Luke Combs was nominated for "Fast Car" but didn't win.

He apparently chose to make his version as close as possible to the original as a tribute to Tracy Chapman.

Naturally (in the year 2024), Combs took a lot of heat for the success of the song.

I think we are at the point with T Swift mania that Kanye could be accepted back into society if he would just walk in front of the cameras while Kelce is proposing to Taylor post Super Bowl win and say, "i'mma let you finish, but Jay Z and Beyonce had the best proposal of all time."

Are we talking about SeaSpeed's fancy watch or 62strat's Metal Militia?

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I do not see how Sza is considered to be talented enough for 9 Grammy nominations

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I recently dated a girl half my age whose favorite song is "Rich Baby Daddy" by Drake and SZA. It's quite possibly the worst song I've ever heard and she made me listen to it at least five times in Hawaii.

Then on a rooftop patio during our trip a guy was playing live Jimmy Buffett tunes and I said to her "I still can't believe he died" to which she replied "Who is Jimmy Buffett?".

It was at that moment when I realized no matter how hot she was that it was never going to work out between us.

ETA: This 23 year old chick hates Taylor Swift so that was a bonus but not enough to keep the thing going.

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I honestly can't imagine putting this much effort in to defending a pop star.

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Yeah but people tend to put lots of effort into defending or trying to knock down all sorts of dumb stuff. Sports is full of it.

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I like Fast Car. I'm just a little confused as to how someone could win a Grammy for copying a song verbatim and not even attempt to make it his own. It even sounds like the original at times. And said song already won her a Grammy back when she released it 20-30 years ago. Seems like double dipping and robbing someone of a Grammy that did something original.

But I admit I do not know all of the award categories and maybe there is an award for stuff like this.

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We exist in a world of total cultural regression so reverting back to better times is viewed as bold/exciting.

I'm looking at the red carpet looks right now.



How would you like to sit behind her?

also, because I liked her dress, I found this gem of a music video

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I often find that people who say this, for whatever reasons, completely disregard how utterly f/cked many aspects of our culture used to be, for decades if not centuries. Are some things worse? No doubt. But many things are also much, much better. In no way are we experiencing a "total regression."

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Uh huh. The movies and music being made now is totally revolutionary and interesting. Can I interest you in another superhero movie? Even TV, which once was in a boom, is now regressing into churning non-sense that most people peak at and decide is not worthwhile and whatever does get attention is general degeneracy as entertainment.

Perhaps you'd like to watch the new live action Cowboy Bebop series.
Or the reimagination of the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
Or the live-action Avatar series.
Or the live-action One Piece.
Let's revisit the world of Avatar
Or Star Wars for the 17th time
If Star Wars ain't your bag we can lookin on Jean Luc Picard in the old folks home!
Can I interest you in the third installment of Ben-Hur?
What about the Father of the Bride of the Bride of the Fathers?
Ever wonder what Willy Wonka was like when he was Wonkin' his Willy as a young man? Well let's find out!

Come with me and you'll be in a world of pure re-imagination. What you'll see, will defy a need for explanation.

The cherry picking here is, not surprisingly, off the charts. As is the aforementioned disregard of the plethora of sh*t made back in the "good ol' days" as well.

Im convinced that entire post was just the OP looking for an excuse to make a willy wonka masturbation joke