***** THE ACOLYTE Show Discussion (see note inside) Thread *****

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Cliff.Booth said:

If you'll look back at my first comment today responding to FL, my goal was to refute his claims that the ratings were meaningless and that those of us in this thread not enjoying it are just trolls here to ruin your fun. Both of those statements were incorrect, but note that importantly I also reiterated that there's nothing wrong with y'all enjoying it. Those of us who aren't have no interest in convincing you that you shouldn't or can't like it, but we are expressing our reaction to it.


Ehhhh, now you're making false claims about my attempt at humor. I never claimed the ratings are meaningless, I poked fun at the ridiculousness of junk audience ratings that are given before the episode has aired.

And I never said everyone who has negative comments are just trolls. I poked fun at the people who show up on a weekly basis just to proclaim how horrible the show is and that they're never watching another Star Wars product until Kathleen Kennedy is fired.

There's a difference in what you interpreted from my post and what it actually says.
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FL, please stick to criticism of the show itself and not comments about ratings and the opinions of other users. Sorry man, just don't want you to catch a ban. We run a tight ship around here.
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I know I should just watch and not open this thread anymore but I will glance at it like the train wreck it is
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DrEvazanPhD said:

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OK, thank you for clearing that up.

That said, the thread is for discussing what happens in the show, not to talk what the ratings are. I posted a thing about the ratings on the main SW thread and I would encourage you to move your postings about ratings there. Every time Thunder Struck posted his Rotten Tomatoes updates on here in the first 3 weeks, they got wiped out by staff.

enjoy the rest of the season watching a show you dislike.
So we *can* talk about the ridiculousness of this show then?
Of course, if you're actively watching the show and want to talk about the action on the screen, that's precisely what this thread is for.
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LB12Diamond said:

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My sons prediction. Torbin actually causes the fire and explodes the power supply. The wookie meets Mae in real time.


If that happens what craptastic writing for his character.

He kills himself

Which puts him in trance

And then this

Great life right there!


Well he IS the one white guy Jedi
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I might be misremembering, but I think the other guy said Torbin had been in the trance for 10 years ago. We know what happened with Mae/Osha was 16 years ago. When did Osha leave the Order? feels like that was 6-8 years ago as well. I'm stil entirely convinced something nefarious also didnt happen to get Osha to leave the order.
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The Porkchop Express said:

Cliff, give us a completely mathematical explanation that proves the majority of star wars fans don't like the show. Or even how you're quantifying how many star wars fans there are.
I can get us closer to that…..

Maybe I'll do the math later tonight….

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The Porkchop Express said:

I might be misremembering, but I think the other guy said Torbin had been in the trance for 10 years ago. We know what happened with Mae/Osha was 16 years ago. When did Osha leave the Order? feels like that was 6-8 years ago as well. I'm stil entirely convinced something nefarious also didnt happen to get Osha to leave the order.
so he became a jedi master in 16 years? Slipping standards for jedi..
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DrEvazanPhD said:

The Porkchop Express said:

I might be misremembering, but I think the other guy said Torbin had been in the trance for 10 years ago. We know what happened with Mae/Osha was 16 years ago. When did Osha leave the Order? feels like that was 6-8 years ago as well. I'm stil entirely convinced something nefarious also didnt happen to get Osha to leave the order.
so he became a jedi master in 16 years? Slipping standards for jedi..
Yea I thought the same thing, or maybe they made him a master to shut him up about whatever happened.

But they also sometimes call each other Master when they aren't actually a jedi Master, -so who knows
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The Porkchop Express said:

I might be misremembering, but I think the other guy said Torbin had been in the trance for 10 years ago. We know what happened with Mae/Osha was 16 years ago. When did Osha leave the Order? feels like that was 6-8 years ago as well. I'm stil entirely convinced something nefarious also didnt happen to get Osha to leave the order.


Decent supposition, but Sol seems sorry that Osha left the order. So....

...was Sol a part of that?
...did Sol go along with whatever it was willingly? Or reluctantly?
...is Sol just acting like he is sorry that Osha left the order, or was he part of it in order to hide guilt on his part for what happened when she was taken from the witches?

As much as I like Sol, the most interesting way to take the story may be to have Sol secretly with hands that are completely dirty from what went down on that planet when Osha was taken. He's good deep down but his attempts to hide his past actions crack the door open enough for the Sith to rise up.
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DrEvazanPhD said:

The Porkchop Express said:

I might be misremembering, but I think the other guy said Torbin had been in the trance for 10 years ago. We know what happened with Mae/Osha was 16 years ago. When did Osha leave the Order? feels like that was 6-8 years ago as well. I'm stil entirely convinced something nefarious also didnt happen to get Osha to leave the order.
so he became a jedi master in 16 years? Slipping standards for jedi..


If he has been in a trance for 10 years, he became a Master before that. I.e., only 6 years after he was a padawan. Anakin would be MAD. He probably looked up Torbins record and was like SEE he was a Master that quick.
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Atreides Ornithopter said:

DrEvazanPhD said:

The Porkchop Express said:

I might be misremembering, but I think the other guy said Torbin had been in the trance for 10 years ago. We know what happened with Mae/Osha was 16 years ago. When did Osha leave the Order? feels like that was 6-8 years ago as well. I'm stil entirely convinced something nefarious also didnt happen to get Osha to leave the order.
so he became a jedi master in 16 years? Slipping standards for jedi..


If he has been in a trance for 10 years, he became a Master before that. I.e., only 6 years after he was a padawan. Anakin would be MAD. He probably looked up Torbins record and was like SEE he was a Master that quick.
I mean, could Anakin levitate and have a Force Shield going for 10 years? He couldn't even keep his lightsaber in his pants.
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Atreides Ornithopter said:

DrEvazanPhD said:

The Porkchop Express said:

I might be misremembering, but I think the other guy said Torbin had been in the trance for 10 years ago. We know what happened with Mae/Osha was 16 years ago. When did Osha leave the Order? feels like that was 6-8 years ago as well. I'm stil entirely convinced something nefarious also didnt happen to get Osha to leave the order.
so he became a jedi master in 16 years? Slipping standards for jedi..


If he has been in a trance for 10 years, he became a Master before that. I.e., only 6 years after he was a padawan. Anakin would be MAD. He probably looked up Torbins record and was like SEE he was a Master that quick.
and sounds like he didn't do **** to get it!
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ah screw it....I went ahead and did it early....

Fair warning...there's math coming and if you're anything like this guy...



Then I'd suggest you just ignore what's below...however...if you'd like a little more comparison using statistics as to how this show might be getting received, then please read on below:

[sp]When doing statistics and you believe there to be extreme outliers in your study, there's a relatively simple solution...remove the outliers...

So then let's examine each episode's individual rating compared to their current rating...as well as the overall show when we remove all of the "10s" and "1s" from the overall score.

Episode 1:
Current Rating: 5.5
Rating with 10s and 1s removed: 5.6

Episode 2:
Current Rating: 5.3
Rating with 10s and 1s removed: 5.5

Episode 3:
Current Rating: 3.4
Rating with 10s and 1s removed: 4.7


Show Overall:
Current Rating: 3.5
Rating with 10s and 1s removed: 4.8

Now...just looking at this there's an interesting development already...and that is the scores for episodes 1 and 2 hardly changed. When we remove all the 10s and 1s, we get only a deviation of 0.1 and 0.2 respectively, which on a scale of 1-10 is an adjustment of 1% and 2% of their current overall score. Not a statistically significant change at all, and therefore we can conclude on their own merits the ratings for the first 2 episodes to be representative of the overall audience.

Now when we look at episode 3, there is a deviation of 1.3, which results in an adjustment of 13% of the episodes score, which would be a significant change, and therefore we can conclude there were outliers in the 3rd episodes ratings and removing those outliers has given us an adjusted score of 4.7 to reflect the general audience.

The same can be said for the overall shows ratings. And on a personal note, I've always hated that on IMDB you can rate an ENTIRE SHOWafter the first episode airs before the show is even close to finishing. So honestly I'd prefer to throw out the overall shows rating no matter how positive or negative it is simply due to this and only measure each individual episode by themselves.

It should also be stated, that the total number of votes that the show gets is weighted on it's own. Meaning, it's not an average of each individual episodes ratings. And when you look at the total number of votes for the Acolyte as a whole, it shows a total number of 52,000 votes.

Where when you compare the total number of votes for episodes 1, 2, and 3, you see a total number of 15,000, 13,000, and 14,000 respectively.

Given the fact that the total volume of votes for each episode has stayed relatively close, and the average number of votes for each episode (14,000) is only 27% of the total number of overall show ratings votes for the Acolyte, it bears more credence that the overal rating of The Acolyte can be discarded and only look at each episode individually.

So now.....

You might be saying, "Well, why did you remove all the 10s?" The answer is, because if we are removing statistical outliers, then that calls to remove the extreme scores on each end. But for those that are curious, I also did the math to show the overall score with all the 10s included for each episode and only removing all of the scores of 1....please see below....


Episode 1:
Current Rating: 5.5
Rating with 10s and 1s removed: 5.6
Rating with only 1s removed: 6.2

Episode 2:
Current Rating: 5.3
Rating with 10s and 1s removed: 5.5
Rating with only 1s removed: 6.1

Episode 3:
Current Rating: 3.4
Rating with 10s and 1s removed: 4.7
Rating with only 1s removed: 5.4

Now...remember what I said about Episodes 1 and 2 showing no significant statical change after removing the 1's and 10's. I still hold true to those scores being correct. However, I'm doing this to now show the highest the scores could possibly be for each episode with only removing the largest % of score for each episode.....and for each that was the scores of 1.

Now....let's compare these scores to the other episodes that have aired for each Star Wars show to date. I will post the lowest rated episode for each individual season for each Star Wars show to compare.


Mandalorian S1

Lowest Rated Episode name & #: The Gunslinger, episode 5
Score: 7.5
Number of votes: 26,000

Mandalorian S2

Lowest Rated Episode name & #: The Passenger, episode 2
Score: 7.8
Number of votes: 25,000

Mandalorian S3

Lowest Rated Episode name & #: Guns for Hire, episode 6
Score: 6.4
Number of votes: 21,000

Book of Boba Fett

Lowest Rated Episode name & #: The Streets of Mos Espa, episode 3
Score: 6.4
Number of votes: 19,000

Andor S1

Lowest Rated Episode name & #: That Would Be Me, episode 2
Score: 7.3
Number of votes: 14,000

Kenobi

Lowest Rated Episode name & #: Part IV, episode 4
Score: 6.4
Number of votes: 21,000

Ahsoka

Lowest Rated Episode name & #: Part 3: Time to Fly, episode 3
Score: 7.3
Number of votes: 15,000

This means, that the worst rated episodes of all the other Star Wars show's seasons still rate higher than each individual epsiode of The Acolyte so far even with removing just the scores of "1" for each episode to make them higher. That is not good.

Now me personally....I rather liked the first 2 episodes of The Acolyte. I went in expecting something awful and what I got I thought was relatively decent....then episode 3 happened and it went down the crapper.

I'll still finish the show just because I don't watch much TV so it's not a big time waster for me.

But the conclusion to draw from these ratings are this:

With removing all statistical outliers, each individual episode of the Acolyte still has a lower rating than the worst rated episode of every other Star Wars show that's been made to date.
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Edit: well crap....can do all that and I can't spoiler tag the post so those who want to ignore it can ignore it...well I tried...
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I don't watch the show, but I am interested to hear how people are or aren't liking it. Somehow, I don't think the show can live up to the drama of this thread.
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Honestly I think last week was such a poorly written filler episode I think you are going to have to wait until the whole thing is out to really form an opinion.

Episodes 1/2 were mediocre and episode 3 was just pointless so I wouldn't vote yay or nay on it yet.
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Charlie Conway said:

jokershady said:

I checked my phone and yeah….moments after Mae gets the marking when the Jedi show up OSHA introduces herself to Sol by name and they notice Mae after with the mark.

But odly enough, I could see them ignoring that and doing it anyway creating a massive plot hole….so you could still be right
I went back and watched the bridge scene, it's cut to make it look like Osha was the one that he caught but it's also very ambiguous, it's either poorly done, which is possible, or deliberately done that way so you can justify showing the switch up.

Also at a certain point you stop seeing the mark and the hair is used as cover to block it.

After going back and looking again I am even more convinced this is going to happen.
It isn't ambiguous unless they changed which child actor was playing Osha. It is pretty easy to tell which is which.
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You should copy / paste this to the main Star Wars thread if you don't want to lose it; staph will likely delete it during its weekly sweep. They set a precedent on Thunder Struck early on with the ratings.
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meh...id rather not bog down 2 separate threads with the same info...but there's no way id put this amount of work into a post without saving it ive got this in a word doc....so if they clear it from here then i'll put it on the regular stars wars thread instead...
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FL_Ag1998 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

I might be misremembering, but I think the other guy said Torbin had been in the trance for 10 years ago. We know what happened with Mae/Osha was 16 years ago. When did Osha leave the Order? feels like that was 6-8 years ago as well. I'm stil entirely convinced something nefarious also didnt happen to get Osha to leave the order.


Decent supposition, but Sol seems sorry that Osha left the order. So....

...was Sol a part of that?
...did Sol go along with whatever it was willingly? Or reluctantly?
...is Sol just acting like he is sorry that Osha left the order, or was he part of it in order to hide guilt on his part for what happened when she was taken from the witches?

As much as I like Sol, the most interesting way to take the story may be to have Sol secretly with hands that are completely dirty from what went down on that planet when Osha was taken. He's good deep down but his attempts to hide his past actions crack the door open enough for the Sith to rise up.
it's really hard to tell motivations for me. The show definitely wants us to see Sol as the best of them, but IDK. Maybe he's training the younglings as a punishment of some sort?

At the very least I appreciate the show making me second guess what my eyes are initially seeing.
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Another thought...After Sol pulls Osha from the edge, she runs out completely under her own power, no sign of injury or anything. Next scene she is waking up on the Jedi ship with a breathing apparatus and starts asking questions like "where am I," and "what happened." Could be pretty indicative of the Jedi doing something they probably shouldn't have.
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jokershady said:

meh...id rather not bog down 2 separate threads with the same info...but there's no way id put this amount of work into a post without saving it ive got this in a word doc....so if they clear it from here then i'll put it on the regular stars wars thread instead...
The Star Wars thread these days seems to largely consist of Maroon Barchetta driving 24 hours a day taking photos of liscense plates and parking spots.
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redline248 said:

Another thought...After Sol pulls Osha from the edge, she runs out completely under her own power, no sign of injury or anything. Next scene she is waking up on the Jedi ship with a breathing apparatus and starts asking questions like "where am I," and "what happened." Could be pretty indicative of the Jedi doing something they probably shouldn't have.
There seems little doubt that they tampered with her memory, or her memory insulated itself from the bad stuff. It gives me a bit of a "Last Duel" vibe from the movie with Matt Damon and Free Guy hottie and Kylo Ren, breaking the movie into thirds and we see the same scenes 3 times from 3 different POVs
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I'd just like to point out that I've had nothing to do with this particular 50+ reply dust-up, and say that I should be awarded a medal or at least a cookie for staying out of it.
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TCTTS said:

I'd just like to point out that I've had nothing to do with this particular 50+ reply dust-up, and say that I should be awarded a medal or at least a cookie for staying out of it.
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You get space cream!
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Great, now they are gonna come after you for that
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TCTTS said:

I'd just like to point out that I've had nothing to do with this particular 50+ reply dust-up, and say that I should be awarded a medal or at least a cookie for staying out of it.


Oh, look at you, the self appointed dictator of the e-board deciding what's a dust up and what's not! And of course you're gonna award yourself a medal.
It's probably a woke LGBTQIALOMG metal at that! Typical hollywood entitlement!
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FL_Ag1998 said:

TCTTS said:

I'd just like to point out that I've had nothing to do with this particular 50+ reply dust-up, and say that I should be awarded a medal or at least a cookie for staying out of it.


Oh, look at you, the self appointed dictator of the e-board deciding what's a dust up and what's not! And of course you're gonna award yourself a medal.
It's probably a woke LGBTQIALOMG metal at that! Typical hollywood entitlement!
When you suddenly realize that a poster has been identifying as whatever a "TCTTS" Person is all these years.
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Madmarttigan said:

Honestly I think last week was such a poorly written filler episode I think you are going to have to wait until the whole thing is out to really form an opinion.

Episodes 1/2 were mediocre and episode 3 was just pointless so I wouldn't vote yay or nay on it yet.


I understand what you're saying, but if you're 37% of the way through a show, it is what it is at this point. There shouldn't be the "wait until the end". If you don't give me good episodes, especially 3 out of 8, it just isnt good.
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It's Star Wars and I'm bored. I finished the Willow series so that means I am capable of finishing anything.

Yes if I had to rate it after 3 episodes it falls into the not good category.
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Madmarttigan said:

It's Star Wars and I'm bored. I finished the Willow series so that means I am capable of finishing anything.

Yes if I had to rate it after 3 episodes it falls into the not good category.


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The Porkchop Express said:

FL_Ag1998 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

I might be misremembering, but I think the other guy said Torbin had been in the trance for 10 years ago. We know what happened with Mae/Osha was 16 years ago. When did Osha leave the Order? feels like that was 6-8 years ago as well. I'm stil entirely convinced something nefarious also didnt happen to get Osha to leave the order.


Decent supposition, but Sol seems sorry that Osha left the order. So....

...was Sol a part of that?
...did Sol go along with whatever it was willingly? Or reluctantly?
...is Sol just acting like he is sorry that Osha left the order, or was he part of it in order to hide guilt on his part for what happened when she was taken from the witches?

As much as I like Sol, the most interesting way to take the story may be to have Sol secretly with hands that are completely dirty from what went down on that planet when Osha was taken. He's good deep down but his attempts to hide his past actions crack the door open enough for the Sith to rise up.
it's really hard to tell motivations for me. The show definitely wants us to see Sol as the best of them, but IDK. Maybe he's training the younglings as a punishment of some sort?

At the very least I appreciate the show making me second guess what my eyes are initially seeing.


I would not be shocked if he was either the bad guy, or Mae convinces Osha to kill him.

The latter makes a lot of sense, as she needs to kill one without a weapon, he's close to Osha, and it was Osha's dream to become a Jedi. Therefore, Mae, the Acolyte, kills without a weapon by killing the dream, fulfilling the monologue of the first episode.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

FL_Ag1998 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

I might be misremembering, but I think the other guy said Torbin had been in the trance for 10 years ago. We know what happened with Mae/Osha was 16 years ago. When did Osha leave the Order? feels like that was 6-8 years ago as well. I'm stil entirely convinced something nefarious also didnt happen to get Osha to leave the order.


Decent supposition, but Sol seems sorry that Osha left the order. So....

...was Sol a part of that?
...did Sol go along with whatever it was willingly? Or reluctantly?
...is Sol just acting like he is sorry that Osha left the order, or was he part of it in order to hide guilt on his part for what happened when she was taken from the witches?

As much as I like Sol, the most interesting way to take the story may be to have Sol secretly with hands that are completely dirty from what went down on that planet when Osha was taken. He's good deep down but his attempts to hide his past actions crack the door open enough for the Sith to rise up.
it's really hard to tell motivations for me. The show definitely wants us to see Sol as the best of them, but IDK. Maybe he's training the younglings as a punishment of some sort?

At the very least I appreciate the show making me second guess what my eyes are initially seeing.


I would not be shocked if he was either the bad guy, or Mae convinces Osha to kill him.

The latter makes a lot of sense, as she needs to kill one without a weapon, he's close to Osha, and it was Osha's dream to become a Jedi. Therefore, Mae, the Acolyte, kills without a weapon by killing the dream, fulfilling the monologue of the first episode.


I wouldn't object to that....tragic storyline of Sol's past sin and subsequent lies to cover it up allow Mae to manipulate Osha into killing her former master.
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One IRL thing to consider, if they want a 2nd season of this show, wouldn't they want Lee Jung-jae back?
 
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