***** THE ACOLYTE Show Discussion (see note inside) Thread *****

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I'm familiar with your proficiency in this type of writing. Could you blend this theory (Fight Club/Magic/The Force) with an integration of the World Between Worlds?

I believe the World Between Worlds could somehow contribute to this theory, but I'm currently drawing a blank on how it would be used specifically.
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Gotta have a doorway in. Even Palpatine didn't really know how to get and tried to trick Ezra into doing it.
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I'm still on the fence. Parts of the first episode felt like a live action version of Among US with tasks and little tasks to do around the ship while elsewhere someone is getting killed then everyone votes on who did it. Pretty lame.

But I got better as it went. The actors are getting into the roles better. The dumb plans and dialog by young Jedi were overdone. Enjoyed the fight scenes. The new bad guy is interesting. And excited to see a wookie with the force.

Will definitely keep watching to see how it goes. Just so hard to get going with brand new characters. So much to establish early on without feeling rushed but there's some opportunity so far for something interesting.
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Just got done watching and honestly….that was pretty dang good!

Things are moving at a pretty good pace…the characters are interesting…we're not wasting time on pointless crap (like Mando spending 2-3 episodes to take a bath)…the action so far has been fun to watch…

Yeah…pretty dang solid! It's not up there with Andor but it's definitely got the potential to be close to the first season of Mando….

My only grief (and it's a small one) is seeing fire in space….I know we bend the rules on physics for shows like this but if we don't let Bruce Willis get away with it in Armageddon then we don't here either….

Looking forward to the 3rd episode a lot more than I was these first two that's for sure
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veryfuller said:

Just watched both episodes. I'm entertained and intrigued. Nothing really new to add except the weird thing I picked up on: when Sol was training younglings, the girl saw "fire that consumes everything". I think she was reading him. I think he is the guy in the mask. When he questions Mae later in their fight in episode 2, he is prodding to see if she knows the masked man's identity, which it seems she doesn't. He is covering for himself. I think he purposely separated the twins and trained them to set up whatever is in motion now. Perhaps the prophecy of the one bringing balance to the force he took as two sides to a coin, or twins, one dark and one light.
I already really like Sol so that would be pretty disappointing….but only for the right reasons if they make it compelling.

And also I'm really glad they let it out early there was a twin thing instead of dragging it out….wouldve slowed everything down for a reveal that honestly wouldn't have been that big of a deal….
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redline248 said:

So, because the sequels gave us a Force duality, or whatever, I can't completely dismiss any theories. I simply think that in most cases the people who write these shows are not that creative.

I don't remember which show it was that people on this site were coming up with all kinds of twists and stuff and then were completely underwhelmed by what actually happened. Maybe Westworld? There might have even been some of it in Ahsoka.
I think it was Mando Season 3 we were all convinced the Armorer or Axe Woves were traitors to the Empire
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i is smart said:

I'm familiar with your proficiency in this type of writing. Could you blend this theory (Fight Club/Magic/The Force) with an integration of the World Between Worlds?

I believe the World Between Worlds could somehow contribute to this theory, but I'm currently drawing a blank on how it would be used specifically.
I've only seen Fight Club one time, but I get the gist of it. I don't think it's one person, there are too many things going on that suggest 2.

I was pleased the way they used the World Between Worlds in Ahsoka, simply as a place to relive events, not to travel from one place to another permanently. I hope Acolyte does not use it.

Although surely the flashbacks are going to answer a lot of questions, at this point I feel that the answer of why Osha left the Jedi Order is more interesting. She seemed to have a kindly, recripocal relationship with Master Sol, they seemed genuinely happy to see each other. So what made her only last 10 years as a Padawan?

I'll also float the idea that if we assume Osha and Mae were raised by some sort of Force Wielders, maybe on that planet, the Jedi aren't the only ones who come on recruiting trips.
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Lots of cool stuff has dropped on SW.com

https://www.starwars.com/series/the-acolyte/lost-found-episode-guide

Carlac - from Clone Wars Season 4 - was originally going to be the desert world of Boz Pity (ROTS). If you didn't watch Clone Wars, the Mando splinter group Death Watch had a camp there.



The Jedi Temple in The Acolyte compared to TPM



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Just finished ep 2 and enjoyed it, the fight choreography is a fun new twist and the acting and dialogue seems to be getting better as the show progresses. I'm not buying into the Fight Club theory at this pint but I do think we could see some repressed memories/trauma/something that's driving these characters.

It's not Andor but it's entertaining and a lot better than a lot of the other series of the last couple years, I love that it feels very "Star Wars". Looking forward to ep 3.
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Put your tin foil hats into high gear, friends. The SW databank updated with entries for the show, and there's one for Mae, but not one for Osha.

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redline248 said:

So, because the sequels gave us a Force duality, or whatever, I can't completely dismiss any theories. I simply think that in most cases the people who write these shows are not that creative.

I don't remember which show it was that people on this site were coming up with all kinds of twists and stuff and then were completely underwhelmed by what actually happened. Maybe Westworld? There might have even been some of it in Ahsoka.
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She's not on any of the posters either. I think they just want to hold back that reveal until people watch the show.

That, or either Osha/Mae doesn't exist and my split personality theory will prove correct.
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Oh man, the ultimate trap, no doubt
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

She's not on any of the posters either. I think they just want to hold back that reveal until people watch the show.

That, or either Osha/Mae doesn't exist and my split personality theory will prove correct.


Perhaps but there werea few of these entries on there before the debut, then they expanded it to about 20 yesterday
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Thoughts on theories so far....

1. Mae and Osha are the same person

Don't think this one will work for a few reasons. The first is (can't remember which episode...believe it was 2) that when Osha was with Sol and the other jedi Mae had attempted her first attack on Torbin. That attack is what made Sol and friends change course and head for that planet. That alone should refute the idea that they are the same person.

However towards the end of episode 2, when Mae and Osha see each other for the first time, Mae is in a speeder and Osha is aiming a stun blaster at Mae...Osha actually fires the blaster twice and missing causing the blaster to hit the exterior environment and cause effects and also Mae drives off in the speeder she was sitting in...can't see how one of those things could have not actually been happening with them both happening at the same time.

2. Sol is the Sith training Mae

This has a little more possibility but still not sure this is what's going on. This would explain how Sol was easily able to defeat Mae in episode 2 because if he trained her then he knew exactly what to expect. Especially with disarming the knives early on. But we'd need to see a lot more in the upcoming episodes to see if this is possible. It would however also explain why he didn't bother to force read her mind to prove her innocence because he already knew what was going on.

But I think there's another idea to consider that I don't think has been mentioned yet....

3. Vernestra Rwoh (green bald chick) is the Sith training Mae

In episode one she's quick to try and get Sol to pursue Osha and place the blame on her and have her brought in for execution. Also, she's resistant to having Sol be the one to bring her in. But also at the end of episode 2, she rejects Sol's request to have him pursue Mae despite him knowing full well where she's going.

So currently right now...and this is only IF the Sith Jedi training Mae is someone we have already seen, I'm betting it's going to be Vernestra. And not sure if this even matters but I'm going to throw it in there anyway...that actress is the real life wife of Leslye Headland...so if this character is going to have a big time reveal perhaps she left that role open for her wife.

Who knows. But I'm guessing Vernestra being a hidden baddie for my take at this point.
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That is an interesting theory (#3). I feel like whatever happens, that character is going to be the reason the sith live on in hiding, because she seems more concerned with the institutional reputation of the Jedi than figuring out the truth. I bet she will be the explanation for why whatever happens isn't widely known by other Jedi or those outside of it.
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It's somewhat amusing that while all the other Jedi are seemingly reluctant to ignite their lightsabers, Yord Fandar appears eager to find any minor reason to do so.
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i is smart said:

It's somewhat amusing that while all the other Jedi are seemingly reluctant to ignite their lightsabers, Yord Fandar appears eager to find any minor reason to do so.
i would too.
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I used to work with an Ag about 10 years younger than me who became a great friend over time. We had very similar movie tastes and spent an afternoon talking about would you rather have a lightsaber or daily access to a functional, safe Jurassic Park. When I picked lightsaber, he asked why and when I thought about it, my answer was
"I don't know, I guess kill people with it."
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veryfuller said:

That is an interesting theory (#3). I feel like whatever happens, that character is going to be the reason the sith live on in hiding, because she seems more concerned with the institutional reputation of the Jedi than figuring out the truth. I bet she will be the explanation for why whatever happens isn't widely known by other Jedi or those outside of it.
This is the exact conversation I was having with a friend. Unless every single Jedi character dies without one of them reporting to the Council...it's going to have to be hidden.
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In regard to 3, it would be pretty hard to hide pure Sith evil in the middle of the Jedi temple and on the council, right? Palpatine at least kept his interactions with them brief, but Vernestra is up in they bidness 247
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Just watched the first episode. This feels like The Rings of Power.

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i is smart said:

It's somewhat amusing that while all the other Jedi are seemingly reluctant to ignite their lightsabers, Yord Fandar appears eager to find any minor reason to do so.
i would too.

"A Jedi doesn't pull her weapon unless prepared to kill."

***All of us proceed to use it as a flashlight***

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Id be like, "can't open this bag of Doritos"……woooooooooshhhhhhhhh
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Moral High Horse said:

Id be like, "can't open this bag of Doritos"……woooooooooshhhhhhhhh


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Is that Jedi does not pull their weapon line new? Don't ever remember hearing it before. I would be like. No, we can use a light Sabre to do many things besides using it to kill. Cut through doors. Use it to block things. Training, etc.
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I've never heard it in any show or movie, and idk if it exists in the High Republic books. Aside from what you mention, it's also a weapon for defense. You attack me and I'll defend myself. If you die, that's your problem. If I can subdue you, I'll let you live.

Unless I'm Anakin and your name is Dooku
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I've never heard it in any show or movie, and idk if it exists in the High Republic books. Aside from what you mention, it's also a weapon for defense. You attack me and I'll defend myself. If you die, that's your problem. If I can subdue you, I'll let you live.

Unless I'm Anakin and your name is Dooku

Did you mean in any other Star Wars content? Mae says it to Indara during their duel. I just checked the episode to confirm.
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I watched both episodes tonight with my kids, who are twins themselves, thus making the Mae-Osha discussion fairly lively.

A few of my own observations from the second go-round.

1) When Indara says something like "The Jedi don't attack the unarmed", Mae is very angry when she replies "Yes you do" - sounds like a key to the past incident.

2) When Indara pulls Mae's mask down, she asks, "What are you doing here?" - Does she know it's Mae or think it's Osha? Later on, Torbin clearly knows that it's Mae who comes to attack him.

3) While I am about 97% sure that they are not the same person at this point, I encourage you to re-watch the scene where Osha discovers Torbin is dead. She isn't the least-bit upset about it, and sort of just takes her time looking him over. Considering he's the one who Mae said should "confess his crime", I wonder if he did something particularly bad during whatever happened - and did he get the giant scar on his face in the process? And does Osha remember him doing it, and thus isn't too upset about him dying?

4) A couple of times we hear Jedi being alarmed about someone training others in the Force outside of the order - Indara says it on her comm early on, and Sol says it twice, in regards to the Master. That hubris that the the Jedi are the only ones who can use the Force ties into something Luke tells Rey in TLJ -"That Force Does Not Belong To The Jedi. To Say That If The Jedi Die, The Light Dies, Is Vanity."
Seeing how these Jedi clearly see anyone else using the Force as a threat makes me wonder if what happened on Mae/Osha's planet was not them getting recruited by the Jedi, but the team of Indara, Kelbacca, Sol, and Tormin going to investigate/confront a group/cult of Force users doing their own thing. And when push came to shove, it ended in a fire that killed everyone but Osha (almost).

5. This was too deep a cut for me to know, but apparently in the comics there is the appearance of the Barash Vow, which Torbin has taken. It shows up in a Vader comic from several years ago. A jedi had taken it before Order 66 and was not recognized by the clones as a Jedi while in the trance. He wakes up and gets summarily killed by Vader. The Barash Vow is defined as something a Jedi takes to remove themselves from all Jedi activities after making a grave mistake.









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…Cut through doors. Use it to block things. Training, etc.


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Yes, I meant anything prior to this show.
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Technically, Qui-Gon was prepared to kill Nute Gunray right then.
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