TAMUallen said:
Theyre right back at taking ICE pot shots.
Season 2 has been a bust compared to season 1
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TAMUallen said:
Theyre right back at taking ICE pot shots.
Season 2 has been a bust compared to season 1
One 3 second comment in a list of things happening that day and an hour long show and you get your panties in a wad about that. I didn't even notice the comment until you posted this and I did a rewatch to just find if I missed something big.
As Robin Williams said in Good Morning Vietnam, there's no one more in need of a bj…
Does Dr Al-Hashimi have lupus, or is it not lupus?
Thunderstruck xx said:
Does Dr Al-Hashimi have lupus, or is it not lupus?
Absence seizures. My nephew had them. Then it blew up into tonic clinic seizures
Tecolote said:TAMUallen said:
Theyre right back at taking ICE pot shots.
Season 2 has been a bust compared to season 1
One 3 second comment in a list of things happening that day and an hour long show and you get your panties in a wad about that. I didn't even notice the comment until you posted this and I did a rewatch to just find if I missed something big.
As Robin Williams said in Good Morning Vietnam, there's no one more in need of a bj…
This. I watched it last night and the only ICE reference I remember was Jahvadi trying to find where the nurse who was taken into custody might be. But, I don't watch shows with the primary goal of expecting to be triggered by politics so maybe I missed it.
Honestly the only thing that stuck with me about last night's episode was when Robby said "I don't know if I want to be here anymore" and he wasn't referring to the hospital. If your main character is at their breaking point, and alluding to suicide, I'm not sure how anything else in the episode, including a character's statement about ICE, is something I understand holding a grudge about. That moment is still sitting with me today.
I really appreciate the character development we've seen from both Robby and Al hashimi this season
Also appreciate Javadi popping back at robby as a sign as to how far Robby's esteem has fallen despite him trying to hold on to it desperately
Good episode.
Also appreciate Javadi popping back at robby as a sign as to how far Robby's esteem has fallen despite him trying to hold on to it desperately
Good episode.
Max Power said:
Honestly the only thing that stuck with me about last night's episode was when Robby said "I don't know if I want to be here anymore" and he wasn't referring to the hospital. If your main character is at their breaking point, and alluding to suicide, I'm not sure how anything else in the episode, including a character's statement about ICE, is something I understand holding a grudge about. That moment is still sitting with me today.
Exactly! That was a real "wow" moment as everyone was assuming job burnout for this entire season only to have someone like Robby say they want to check out. But, again, this show does try to be realistic and suicide rates among ER doctors is above the national average for suicides in general.
I generally agree. Also his friends response. It seemed like a genuine wtf do I say to help a friend response. Not a perfect script.
That said, it's not exactly a new concept. The same thing happened in the end of last season ended also.
That said, it's not exactly a new concept. The same thing happened in the end of last season ended also.
Max Power said:
Honestly the only thing that stuck with me about last night's episode was when Robby said "I don't know if I want to be here anymore" and he wasn't referring to the hospital. If your main character is at their breaking point, and alluding to suicide, I'm not sure how anything else in the episode, including a character's statement about ICE, is something I understand holding a grudge about. That moment is still sitting with me today.
I didn't realize it at the time, but this is why Nurse Dana said she had a bad feeling she would never see Robbie again if he left.
ChickenAndWafflesAg said:Max Power said:
Honestly the only thing that stuck with me about last night's episode was when Robby said "I don't know if I want to be here anymore" and he wasn't referring to the hospital. If your main character is at their breaking point, and alluding to suicide, I'm not sure how anything else in the episode, including a character's statement about ICE, is something I understand holding a grudge about. That moment is still sitting with me today.
I didn't realize it at the time, but this is why Nurse Dana said she had a bad feeling she would never see Robbie again if he left.
Haven't people been predicting he was suicidal from ep1?
It is odd. I also had to remind my wife that Season 1 started and finished with suicide discussions.
The pressure on them has been the underlying theme this entire time.
The pressure on them has been the underlying theme this entire time.
Agree. It's like everyone had a "eureka!" moment with his comment while I'm thinking....hasn't it been obvious since season 1?
ultimate head fake here is that someone else commits suicide not robby
Rudyjax said:ChickenAndWafflesAg said:Max Power said:
Honestly the only thing that stuck with me about last night's episode was when Robby said "I don't know if I want to be here anymore" and he wasn't referring to the hospital. If your main character is at their breaking point, and alluding to suicide, I'm not sure how anything else in the episode, including a character's statement about ICE, is something I understand holding a grudge about. That moment is still sitting with me today.
I didn't realize it at the time, but this is why Nurse Dana said she had a bad feeling she would never see Robbie again if he left.
Haven't people been predicting he was suicidal from ep1?
Not to be over dramatic or dark, but the suicide rate for ER physicians is way above the average. There's about 60,000 EM physicians in the country and according to this study 10% have contemplated suicide in the last year and nearly 400 completed it. This study was done in 2020 and I'm going to say that in the last 6 years, empirically I believe these numbers to be significantly worse.
I don't have the evidence to support this, but based on my experiences, mid career, where Robbie is, is going to be the hardest.
When you're just starting out, you have a lot of optimism that things will get better. When you're at the end of your career, you're almost done. Your kids are grown up, you just got to outlast a little bit longer.
When you're in your 40s and 50s, you're decades from retirement, you're not qualified to be anything different than a ER doctor and the pressures of home are compounded work. You're also not as sharp as you were in your 30s and can feel your own decline a little bit. So there's this very vulnerable time period in the EM doctors career where a lot can go wrong.
StringerBell said:
ultimate head fake here is that someone else commits suicide not robby
It would probably be one of the few things that could change Robby's mind to not kill himself. Being able to glimpse into his future.
On another note, the show though has been pretty on point so they may just go ahead and let Robby do it. I'm pretty sure the ED docs they have helping the show knew Dr. Breen well and they may use the character of Robby to show that nobody is above the risk of suicide.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7387927/
It'll be interesting to see if they end this season with any open threads. Season 1 was pretty much wrapped up in a nice little bow (maybe other than Langdon). Since s3 was already greenlit, perhaps it's not such a clean ending this time...
StringerBell said:
ultimate head fake here is that someone else commits suicide not robby
I don't see Robby killing himself simplydue to the fact that the show is about to start filming season 3 and I doubt they'd do another season without him.
my vote is for the new attending based upon her ailments.
Suicide by Robby has been hinted at throughout this season (and probably S1, though I can't remember it specifically), but I would be shocked if they went that route, mainly for TV purposes. Don't think they'll kill off the star and producer of an award winning show after only two seasons. Similar to how Mad Men had suicidal themes with Don Draper but was never actually going to go through with it.
S1 both opened with and closed with Robby and Abbott on the roof with the feeling/suggestion that they were contemplating jumping (Abbott in e1 and Robby in e15).
StringerBell said:
ultimate head fake here is that someone else commits suicide not robby
Did Santo pocket a scalpel a few episodes back? I thought I remembered her character saying she was a cutter and she was feeling down. But then she spoke with Whitacker about their living situation, and she kinda perked up. But she has not had the "best" shift this season. So I'll say Santos takes her own life, or it has been made clear that Dr. Mohan is NOT coming back next season, so maybe they'll kill her off.
it makes a ton of sense for mohan not to come back the way this season has gone for her. i dont think it will be suicide just more of her character saying "this isnt the right field for me and the world seems to be telling me that"
Btron said:StringerBell said:
ultimate head fake here is that someone else commits suicide not robby
Did Santo pocket a scalpel a few episodes back? I thought I remembered her character saying she was a cutter and she was feeling down. But then she spoke with Whitacker about their living situation, and she kinda perked up. But she has not had the "best" shift this season. So I'll say Santos takes her own life, or it has been made clear that Dr. Mohan is NOT coming back next season, so maybe they'll kill her off.
I don't remember if she said she was a cutter, but we saw the scene in the bathroom where it showed the cuts on her legs.
This is a total thread derail, but interestingly none of this seems to be EM specific. The rates of completed suicide among all physicians compared to the general population is much higher; however, even more interestingly, it seems to primarily be driven by women physicians, as male physicians have similar rates of completed suicide compared to the general population.
I have seen a ton of lectures and thought pieces on why that is, but most seem to gloss over the most obvious answer. Women in the general population tend to utilize less effective means of suicide (pills and cutting) whereas men choose more effective means (guns, hanging, jumping from height). So while physician suicidal ideation and suicide attempt rates are similar compared to gen pop, our completion rates are higher, because physicians know what are effective methods of suicide. But again, this is almost entirely driven by women physicians.
This is not to say that what we do isn't stressful, or that physician mental health isn't important, but I think we tend to gloss over obvious reasons for why we have higher suicide rates and tend to point unprovable answers like "our job is more stressful than others".
I have seen a ton of lectures and thought pieces on why that is, but most seem to gloss over the most obvious answer. Women in the general population tend to utilize less effective means of suicide (pills and cutting) whereas men choose more effective means (guns, hanging, jumping from height). So while physician suicidal ideation and suicide attempt rates are similar compared to gen pop, our completion rates are higher, because physicians know what are effective methods of suicide. But again, this is almost entirely driven by women physicians.
This is not to say that what we do isn't stressful, or that physician mental health isn't important, but I think we tend to gloss over obvious reasons for why we have higher suicide rates and tend to point unprovable answers like "our job is more stressful than others".
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She did, at least I think that's what it was.
But it was also the episode in which the new nurse was attacked. So I was thinking it was more because of that.
But it was also the episode in which the new nurse was attacked. So I was thinking it was more because of that.
Yup, that's how I read that as well.
PDEMDHC said:Btron said:StringerBell said:
ultimate head fake here is that someone else commits suicide not robby
Did Santo pocket a scalpel a few episodes back? I thought I remembered her character saying she was a cutter and she was feeling down. But then she spoke with Whitacker about their living situation, and she kinda perked up. But she has not had the "best" shift this season. So I'll say Santos takes her own life, or it has been made clear that Dr. Mohan is NOT coming back next season, so maybe they'll kill her off.
I don't remember if she said she was a cutter, but we saw the scene in the bathroom where it showed the cuts on her legs.
That's right! Good catch
Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
This is a total thread derail, but interestingly none of this seems to be EM specific. The rates of completed suicide among all physicians compared to the general population is much higher; however, even more interestingly, it seems to primarily be driven by women physicians, as male physicians have similar rates of completed suicide compared to the general population.
I have seen a ton of lectures and thought pieces on why that is, but most seem to gloss over the most obvious answer. Women in the general population tend to utilize less effective means of suicide (pills and cutting) whereas men choose more effective means (guns, hanging, jumping from height). So while physician suicidal ideation and suicide attempt rates are similar compared to gen pop, our completion rates are higher, because physicians know what are effective methods of suicide. But again, this is almost entirely driven by women physicians.
This is not to say that what we do isn't stressful, or that physician mental health isn't important, but I think we tend to gloss over obvious reasons for why we have higher suicide rates and tend to point unprovable answers like "our job is more stressful than others".
Veterinarians also have a higher suicide rate than the population at large.
StringerBell said:
ultimate head fake here is that someone else commits suicide not robby
If so, my bet is on the daughter/resident whose mother is a surgeon and keeps telling her the ED is beneath her.
Could be the tall goofy know it all resident with curly hair. He's had a few awkward moments.
Certainly could pull the modern version of the ER episode where they are trying to page the resident only to hear the pager ringing on the deceased suicide victim that jumped in front of a train. Would certainly end the season on a huge bummer if that happened though.
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The fact that 4-5 cast members could be picked says a lot about the quality writing of the show and the situations.
TAMUallen said:
Theyre right back at taking ICE pot shots.
Season 2 has been a bust compared to season 1
I've enjoyed both seasons. There were SIGNIFICANTLY more "woke" references in season 1 than season 2. In fact, in season 1 it seemed like the writers made a concerted effort to check every woke box possible. Off the top of my head, in Season 2 we had part of one episode with the ICE problem and one comment about lesbian sex. Can't remember anything else
Langdon reducing that guy's cervical fractures was wild stuff.
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