I think he figured that winning the challenge would just ensure that Eva would get blindsided. Losing the challenge removed Eva as the most obvious target decision without increasing the risk for himself.
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I think he didn't want to have to make the choice of who would have gone on the reward with him.G Martin 87 said:
I think he figured that winning the challenge would just ensure that Eva would get blindsided. Losing the challenge removed Eva as the most obvious target decision without increasing the risk for himself.
This!!!!Ag87H2O said:I think he didn't want to have to make the choice of who would have gone on the reward with him.G Martin 87 said:
I think he figured that winning the challenge would just ensure that Eva would get blindsided. Losing the challenge removed Eva as the most obvious target decision without increasing the risk for himself.
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The move I'd really like to see made here if Kyle doesn't win immunity is for Kamilia to go to Joe and say admit she and Kyle have been secret besties since Day 1, and that Kyle thought up and orchestrated the blindsides of both Thomas and Shauhin (the original California Girls' alliance), and that Kyle will beat Joe in the final if Joe doesn't take him out first.
Doing that, she then has the jury pitch of - me and Kyle since Day 1 - big acting moves together, and once we had gone as far as we could together, I took him out.
I'd take Kamilla over Joe if I was on the jury in that instance.
I am not sure Joe can beat Kyle or Kamilla straight up in the jury. If they are both there, it might be a really competitive 3-person vote. Shauhin said in his interview that he was constantly talking to the people perceived to be on the bottom of the alliance, and Joe very rarely did that once he locked in his core 4.
Doing that, she then has the jury pitch of - me and Kyle since Day 1 - big acting moves together, and once we had gone as far as we could together, I took him out.
I'd take Kamilla over Joe if I was on the jury in that instance.
I am not sure Joe can beat Kyle or Kamilla straight up in the jury. If they are both there, it might be a really competitive 3-person vote. Shauhin said in his interview that he was constantly talking to the people perceived to be on the bottom of the alliance, and Joe very rarely did that once he locked in his core 4.
Speaking of the bottom of the alliance/underdogs, what was with them getting annoyed about Joe getting picked for the food reward? He'd be sitting on the jury had they taken their shot when they had the chance.
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Yeah, I don't get those idiots. I think maybe the mindset is that they keep hanging around tribal after tribal so they think they are making big moves the whole time, even though the TV edit is 100% the opposite story. I guess when you've survived so long, you start fearing the big swing because you're so close to the end.CheeseSndwch said:
Speaking of the bottom of the alliance/underdogs, what was with them getting annoyed about Joe getting picked for the food reward? He'd be sitting on the jury had they taken their shot when they had the chance.
Really looking forward to Wednesday although I'll have to watch it later that night.
Houston 1836- I like the way you think. I agree that Kamilla would have a good shot against Joe. Also, Eva wouldn't do it, but if the deplorables (Eva, Kamilla and Aggie Mitch) could get together and take out Joe and Kyle. Kamilla would win it hands down.The Original Houston 1836 said:
The move I'd really like to see made here if Kyle doesn't win immunity is for Kamilia to go to Joe and say admit she and Kyle have been secret besties since Day 1, and that Kyle thought up and orchestrated the blindsides of both Thomas and Shauhin (the original California Girls' alliance), and that Kyle will beat Joe in the final if Joe doesn't take him out first.
Doing that, she then has the jury pitch of - me and Kyle since Day 1 - big acting moves together, and once we had gone as far as we could together, I took him out.
I'd take Kamilla over Joe if I was on the jury in that instance.
I am not sure Joe can beat Kyle or Kamilla straight up in the jury. If they are both there, it might be a really competitive 3-person vote. Shauhin said in his interview that he was constantly talking to the people perceived to be on the bottom of the alliance, and Joe very rarely did that once he locked in his core 4.
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Unless Eva blindsides Joe in the most bad-ass move in Survivor history, it seems impossible she's even going to get a vote. Feel good story, role model, but other than ally with the game's biggest shield, what has she done?
I thought that was a little bit odd as well, but yeah, probably didn't want to add another win that doesn't do anything for his resume.13 - 0 said:
Did anybody find it interesting that as soon as Eva dropped on the Immunity Challenge, Joe dropped immediately also? Nobody seemed to make a big deal about it, but I wonder what that was all about?
Did he not to want to put a target on his back by winning all the challenges?
I always think wining the reward isn't worth the juice. I tell my wife that if I won was on the show I would always pick the second place and third place finisher if I won a reward.
Is two moves better than dominating the game? I think Joe would clearly get my vote at this point, but I also value winning immunity, even though the jury doesn't seem to care about that.The Original Houston 1836 said:
The move I'd really like to see made here if Kyle doesn't win immunity is for Kamilia to go to Joe and say admit she and Kyle have been secret besties since Day 1, and that Kyle thought up and orchestrated the blindsides of both Thomas and Shauhin (the original California Girls' alliance), and that Kyle will beat Joe in the final if Joe doesn't take him out first.
Doing that, she then has the jury pitch of - me and Kyle since Day 1 - big acting moves together, and once we had gone as far as we could together, I took him out.
I'd take Kamilla over Joe if I was on the jury in that instance.
I am not sure Joe can beat Kyle or Kamilla straight up in the jury. If they are both there, it might be a really competitive 3-person vote. Shauhin said in his interview that he was constantly talking to the people perceived to be on the bottom of the alliance, and Joe very rarely did that once he locked in his core 4.
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If Joe wins immunity at 5 and 4, I'd definitely vote for him, or even just at 4 I'd have to consider it.Quinn said:Is two moves better than dominating the game? I think Joe would clearly get my vote at this point, but I also value winning immunity, even though the jury doesn't seem to care about that.The Original Houston 1836 said:
The move I'd really like to see made here if Kyle doesn't win immunity is for Kamilia to go to Joe and say admit she and Kyle have been secret besties since Day 1, and that Kyle thought up and orchestrated the blindsides of both Thomas and Shauhin (the original California Girls' alliance), and that Kyle will beat Joe in the final if Joe doesn't take him out first.
Doing that, she then has the jury pitch of - me and Kyle since Day 1 - big acting moves together, and once we had gone as far as we could together, I took him out.
I'd take Kamilla over Joe if I was on the jury in that instance.
I am not sure Joe can beat Kyle or Kamilla straight up in the jury. If they are both there, it might be a really competitive 3-person vote. Shauhin said in his interview that he was constantly talking to the people perceived to be on the bottom of the alliance, and Joe very rarely did that once he locked in his core 4.
If Kyle can get out of his feelings and get Joe out of there, he should win. I think and Kamilla are also hyper aware that you don't vote Eva out because she's an auto-Joe vote. But if you do get him out at 5, she has to go at 4.
Regardless this has been a phenomenal season. 50 will have a tough time topping the strategies and amount of good players this year, even though I realize 49 is next.
Always one of my favorite TexAgs threads as well.
That's a very good point; don't put Eva on the jury unless your jury strategy is counting on her to vote for Joe. As much as we're rooting for Eva this season (our family has experience raising an Aspie) she won't have a strong case to win unless she betrays Joe. She won't.
Mitch gets my vote if he's in the Final 3.
I value an underdog that can make it to the end without the help of the dominant alliance.
I value an underdog that can make it to the end without the help of the dominant alliance.
I like the theme of this season....the idea of the jocks banding together for protection after so many seasons of the challenge threats getting picked off right at the merge was quite smart.
I'm not a super fan of the Old School "honesty" game that Joe is pushing...but he said something earlier this season that resonated with me:
I grew tired of new era Survivor players doing huge blindsides just for the hell of it...and then acting surprised when they don't get that person's vote, or the blind sider is then voted out two tribals later because their alliance was decimated.
There were too many blindsides that were only for good TV, and made no sense for said player if your looking two or three steps ahead.
I'm not a super fan of the Old School "honesty" game that Joe is pushing...but he said something earlier this season that resonated with me:
I grew tired of new era Survivor players doing huge blindsides just for the hell of it...and then acting surprised when they don't get that person's vote, or the blind sider is then voted out two tribals later because their alliance was decimated.
There were too many blindsides that were only for good TV, and made no sense for said player if your looking two or three steps ahead.
Finale tonight! Won't be able to watch until the weekend, so I'm out on this thread until then. Honestly will be happy with anyone remaining winning.
Hope Eva goes home. Anybody but Eva.
Kyle has to win this… he and Camila ran this game from pre-merge on
Glad David isn't actually a ****!
Kyle wins. One vote Joe, two votes Eva, the rest went to Kyle. I was fine with either of them winning. Just glad Camila didn't win; I could not stand her.
Dang, what a fun season. I haven't watched this since high school and was really entertained.
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Just finished the show, didn't watch the after-show. Kyle really killed it with the jury, getting the assist from Kamilla on the Shauhin vote really won him the game.
Speaking of Shauhin, I'd like to see him on 50, and crazy as it sounds, if the show ever goes on beyond Probst (who is a remarkable 63), Shauhin would be a great host some day. Really entertaining guy.
Speaking of Shauhin, I'd like to see him on 50, and crazy as it sounds, if the show ever goes on beyond Probst (who is a remarkable 63), Shauhin would be a great host some day. Really entertaining guy.
I thought all three finalist played a really good game, but that none of them really did that great on the Final Tribal. If I was grading them, it would probably be Eva C+, Kyle B-, Joe Incomplete. It was like Joe basically wasn't there - why didn't he talk about running the main alliance and dominating the game without ever really being in danger? He was able to play the game his way and easily make it to the end. I feel like they should have shown more of Kyle talking about his sneaky moves, assuming that he did so. Eva's final pitch was pretty good, but there was too much talk about who they were outside the game for me.
Overall a good season. I think Kyle should have won, but it must have been a gut punch to Kamilla when everybody said that they would have voted for her over Kyle..... Ouch!!!
A couple of thoughts:
- Cedric was still out to lunch. On the wrong side of the vote by being the only vote for Joe. He was lucky to be on the jury, but better him than that fat, mouthy, black green chick.
- I know it was the editing, but I got a little tired of the Eva crying and being overwhelmed story. She seems like a great gal, but I feel like they overdid it pointing out her disability and her overcoming it. Plus, she was given an Idol and set up to get the advantage at the reward meal. She didn't need to use them, but I feel like she had advantages that she didn't earn.
- Also, the editing, but I didn't think that Kyle explained all the moves he made w/ Kamilla throughout the game. Kamilla helped him out explaining the Shahin vote (Joe and Eva's faces were priceless when they found out the had been duped), but he made a lot more moves that he could have point out. Again, maybe he did and they just edited it out because he won the overwhelming majority.
- Still love me some Star!!!!
A couple of thoughts:
- Cedric was still out to lunch. On the wrong side of the vote by being the only vote for Joe. He was lucky to be on the jury, but better him than that fat, mouthy, black green chick.
- I know it was the editing, but I got a little tired of the Eva crying and being overwhelmed story. She seems like a great gal, but I feel like they overdid it pointing out her disability and her overcoming it. Plus, she was given an Idol and set up to get the advantage at the reward meal. She didn't need to use them, but I feel like she had advantages that she didn't earn.
- Also, the editing, but I didn't think that Kyle explained all the moves he made w/ Kamilla throughout the game. Kamilla helped him out explaining the Shahin vote (Joe and Eva's faces were priceless when they found out the had been duped), but he made a lot more moves that he could have point out. Again, maybe he did and they just edited it out because he won the overwhelming majority.
- Still love me some Star!!!!
Very fun season! I felt like all 3 players had a legitimate chance at final tribal. IMO, Joe and Kyle played the best games with Joe dominating physically and socially creating a power alliance that he was able to ride all the way into final tribal. However, he didn't really make any sneaky moves or leverage and idols or anything. Kyle definitely had the best Final Tribal and I think being able to turn Eva's "strategic" move of voting out Shauhin around on him was the difference.
Eva kinda annoyed me at the end but she was very well spoken at Final Tribal.
Agreed that Shauhin was awesome on this season and I definitely want to see him back in some regard.
Eva kinda annoyed me at the end but she was very well spoken at Final Tribal.
Agreed that Shauhin was awesome on this season and I definitely want to see him back in some regard.
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They did a great job showing how in the dark Joe was with Kyle and Eva's 'secret identities" and the Shauhin thing. I wonder if Kyle also told about them getting Thomas out early on - another of Joe's top guys.
Joe committed to a loyalty game, except if he questioned someone else's loyalty, he was gone, and anytime he was in a hint of jeopardy, he was ready to throw anyone under the bus.
In hindsight, David's commitment to acting pissed at Tribal was pretty funny.
As much as Eva-Joe was the moment of the season, I think especially as an Aggie, I really appreciate Mitch and Kyle sitting on the log before final tribal, and sharing a real genuine moment of connection and a hug and a laugh. Two guys who struggled early in life, now at the end of this game for $ 1 million - different ages, different races, I thought that was really heart-felt and honest.
Looking forward to listening to the final podcast. I'm sure they'll got after Kyle for next season's podcast, but Shauhin - you're my boy!
Joe committed to a loyalty game, except if he questioned someone else's loyalty, he was gone, and anytime he was in a hint of jeopardy, he was ready to throw anyone under the bus.
In hindsight, David's commitment to acting pissed at Tribal was pretty funny.
As much as Eva-Joe was the moment of the season, I think especially as an Aggie, I really appreciate Mitch and Kyle sitting on the log before final tribal, and sharing a real genuine moment of connection and a hug and a laugh. Two guys who struggled early in life, now at the end of this game for $ 1 million - different ages, different races, I thought that was really heart-felt and honest.
Looking forward to listening to the final podcast. I'm sure they'll got after Kyle for next season's podcast, but Shauhin - you're my boy!
I think in the winner rankings Kyle will be around that #20-25 range
He played a good game overall but I wanted that ultra fun reveal at final tribal of ALL the moves they pulled (Thomas blindside, saving Kamila when David went after her, Shauhin move explained more fully)
Joe and Eva were good finalists but Kyle was more deserving of the 3 so it's nice to see the best player win. Shauhin was my winner pick but he lacked that big move that could have won him the game (turning on Joe at 7 was the move)
The season felt a little boring at times, especially from the merge until final 6. Predictable boots outside of David. But overall a very likeable cast which makes for a good season
He played a good game overall but I wanted that ultra fun reveal at final tribal of ALL the moves they pulled (Thomas blindside, saving Kamila when David went after her, Shauhin move explained more fully)
Joe and Eva were good finalists but Kyle was more deserving of the 3 so it's nice to see the best player win. Shauhin was my winner pick but he lacked that big move that could have won him the game (turning on Joe at 7 was the move)
The season felt a little boring at times, especially from the merge until final 6. Predictable boots outside of David. But overall a very likeable cast which makes for a good season
Poor Aggie Mitch when Kamila bluntly told him that she was going to vote him out because she did not want to sit w/ him in the Final 3.... and then everybody else telling him the same thing. Knowing that you're going to be voted out and can't do anything about it had to be tough. But, he handled it with class.
When Eva pulled out her idol at Final 5, I did for a second think that it would have been badass if she had played it for Mitch and voted out Kyle. Might have given her a chance to win the game, but she wasn't that kind of player.
It would really suck… but I will say if I was out there and didn't win/runner up I'd want to be in that #6 or #5 spot
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You get a couple of nice days at Ponderosa on the beach at Fiji. Good food, a bed/shower and you were a memorable character with a shot at a return some time.
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I'd be remiss if I didn't shout out Kamilla for destroying that puzzle for Final 5 immunity. Joe must have been 10 minutes ahead of her. He had that one starter piece by itself for so so long.
Reminded me of the first time Tony the Cop won. There was some slide puzzle late in the game and he was up there just slapping the tiles around like a monkey. At Tribal that night he told Probst something to the effect of "You could have given me all day and I wasn't solving that thing."
Reminded me of the first time Tony the Cop won. There was some slide puzzle late in the game and he was up there just slapping the tiles around like a monkey. At Tribal that night he told Probst something to the effect of "You could have given me all day and I wasn't solving that thing."
Tony the GOAT
My favorite part in the entire season was when Eva was peacocking about the move she made on Shahin and then Kamila and Kyle explained what really happeend. The look on their faces were priceless. I think by the look on their faces they realized for the first time they weren't going to win this game.
LOL.
LOL.
It was pretty obvious she was going to win based on the comments Jthey aired Jeff making.The Original Houston 1836 said:
I'd be remiss if I didn't shout out Kamilla for destroying that puzzle for Final 5 immunity. Joe must have been 10 minutes ahead of her. He had that one starter piece by itself for so so long.
Reminded me of the first time Tony the Cop won. There was some slide puzzle late in the game and he was up there just slapping the tiles around like a monkey. At Tribal that night he told Probst something to the effect of "You could have given me all day and I wasn't solving that thing."
Agree. Kyle and Kamilla waited until the perfect moment to drop that bomb for maximum effect.Rudyjax said:
My favorite part in the entire season was when Eva was peacocking about the move she made on Shahin and then Kamila and Kyle explained what really happeend. The look on their faces were priceless. I think by the look on their faces they realized for the first time they weren't going to win this game.
LOL.
Honestly, I liked Eva and believe her struggles were heartfelt in the beginning, but as the game progressed it felt like she was using her autism for sympathy, especially towards the end. It got old for me.
Not sure what happened to Joe at final tribal, despite his solid gameplay, he evaporated like a fart in the wind.
Kyle was the clear winner at final tribal out of those three, and capped off an enjoyable season. I do agree, Kamila would have won had she been able to make fire. I love her cut throat, scheming style of play.
The fact that she and Kyle kept their alliance secret for the entire game was pretty amazing. David was the only player to suspect it, and as soon as he did they took him out.
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At some point Joe must have realized that the only 2 people of his core alliance on the jury were 2 people that Kyle tricked him into turning on. At that point, he had no shot.
Also loved Mitch putting his vote on a stunned Kyle at 5, and Mitch is like - ****, you're putting my name so here you go.
Also loved Mitch putting his vote on a stunned Kyle at 5, and Mitch is like - ****, you're putting my name so here you go.
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