Biden pardons Fauci, Milley, Cheney et al

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In reply to jrdaustin • 8:56a, 1/20/25
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HTownAg98 said:
2023NCAggies said:
CDUB98 said:
Everyone be sure to understand, this is not Biden doing this, this is the Commie regime protecting itself. It just happens to be Biden's signature.
Go after them, F this piece of paper

A waste of time and resources. I'd rather DOJ spend their time deporting illegal immigrants.
I just saw a rather terrifying comment that if Joe thinks he can preemptively pardon these Trump critics, what keeps him from pardoning every illegal alien in the US as he walks out the door?


It only absolves them from criminal responsibility from their illegal entry or reentry.

It does not prevent them from being deported from the US, which is administrative.
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In reply to RulesForTheeNotForMe • 8:59a, 1/20/25
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RulesForTheeNotForMe said:
Perfect. Then call every single one of them in to a congressional hearing and WHEN they lie, charge them with perjury. They no longer have the right to plead the fifth and if they say they don't remember, then put all their emails, phone calls, etc on the screen and make them remember.

Do the exact same to Hunter Biden, heck put most of Biden's staff on the stand so we can finally know who was running this country into the ground these last four years.

Lots of sedition and treason to go around for Biden's ilk.
No. I think a legal challenge is in order. The Constitution states the President has the power to pardon people convicted of crimes.

Biden is venturing into New territory with these preemptive pardons.
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8:59a, 1/20/25
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No fbi leadership or agents?
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In reply to AgGrad99 • 9:00a, 1/20/25
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AgGrad99 said:

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U.S. Capitol Police and DC Police officers who testified about Jan. 6
I get Fauci, Milley, Cheney...

But why the J6 police/officers? Seems a bit out of place doesn't it? Why would they need to be protected? Talk about fueling conspiracy theories, and furthering the narrative it was set up.
The SOL has not run out on Michael Byrd shooting Ashli Babbitt. Must protect him and all others involved in the cover-up.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 9:01a, 1/20/25
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Re: "I wonder if Fauci's pension can somehow be revoked?!"

Drain his bank account(s) indirectly by him having to pay lawyers... and having to pay civil fines?

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In reply to Ag In Ok • 9:01a, 1/20/25
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Ag In Ok said:
No fbi leadership or agents?
If part of J6 hearings on the side of Democrats then probably no and all dependent on pardon verbiage.
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9:02a, 1/20/25
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You cant pardon someone that isn't convicted of anything. I would investigate those POS's anyways.
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In reply to HTownAg98 • 9:04a, 1/20/25
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HTownAg98 said:
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Innocent people do not need preemptive or any kind of pardon.

Now you know they were guilty and forever identified as criminals.

Right, because innocent people never end up in prison. This about as bad a take as "if you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about."
Keep spinning it, you know they are guilty, we all do. I get it is a bad look but it does not change the fact. These people are criminals and were pardoned because they know they are guilty.
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In reply to jrdaustin • 9:04a, 1/20/25
Conviction isn't mentioned anywhere in the pardon power in the constitution. It only refers to "offences." That could be something as little as an act that hasn't been charged.
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In reply to AgGrad99 • 9:04a, 1/20/25
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AgGrad99 said:

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U.S. Capitol Police and DC Police officers who testified about Jan. 6
I get Fauci, Milley, Cheney...

But why the J6 police/officers? Seems a bit out of place doesn't it? Why would they need to be protected? Talk about fueling conspiracy theories, and furthering the narrative it was set up.
Consider me a conspiracy theorist. This further proves my gut feeling that something incredibly fishy went down. No other reason to do this.
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9:04a, 1/20/25
Legislate discretionary jail time for those that hold a pardons.
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In reply to Picard • 9:04a, 1/20/25
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Picard said:
It's an admission of their guilt



If they accept the pardon. They don't have to accept it.
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9:04a, 1/20/25
I'm not advocating for violence but exactly how many Jan 6th protesters are currently in jail awaiting a pardon? I could very easily see one of them going off the rails and seeking payback.
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In reply to GEA89 • 9:05a, 1/20/25
GEA89 said:
HTownAg98 said:
GEA89 said:
Innocent people do not need preemptive or any kind of pardon.

Now you know they were guilty and forever identified as criminals.

Right, because innocent people never end up in prison. This about as bad a take as "if you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about."
Keep spinning it, you know they are guilty, we all do. I get it is a bad look but it does not change the fact. These people are criminals and were pardoned because they know they are guilty.

What makes you think I'm spinning anything? My comment has to do with "innocent people don't need a pardon," which is very fake news.
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In reply to Cromagnum • 9:05a, 1/20/25
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You cant pardon someone that isn't convicted of anything. I would investigate those POS's anyways.

More fake news.
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9:06a, 1/20/25
100% fine with a citizen jailed for J6, damaged by a vaccine, or lost a loved one to covid taking matters into their own hands, and then pardoning them. That is where this should go. Natural next step if we don't want to let the judicial system we have established handle things.
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9:07a, 1/20/25
Hypocrites.


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In reply to jrdaustin • 9:07a, 1/20/25
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The Constitution states the President has the power to pardon people convicted of crimes.
where you getting this version of the constitution? temu?


its saying nothing about convictions:



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The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
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9:09a, 1/20/25
An act having taken place in the past is all that is required. However, the states can pursue. Would love to see Florida and Texas engage. Or even better, some impacted citizens given Biden just gave the green light that he'd rather justice not be handled in court
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 9:09a, 1/20/25
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I doubt anyone in that group would ever be found guilty. But it is certainly rewarding political allies by preventing the need to ever defend themselves from the accusation.

My Google-foo is not strong this morning - I can't seem to come up a list of people that have been pre-emptively pardoned like this. I wonder how long that list? I know Nixon is on it...
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In reply to TexasAggiesWin • 9:09a, 1/20/25
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This is how Dictators rule
Which is why pardons and EOs need to be gotten rid of. Things like this wouldn't happen if they weren't allowed.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 9:09a, 1/20/25
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Would this apply to civil suits?
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In reply to dmart90 • 9:10a, 1/20/25
the longest list is the vietnam draft dodgers
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In reply to Ag In Ok • 9:10a, 1/20/25
Ag In Ok said:
Would this apply to civil suits?
no

but other things like immunity might.

for instance, you wouldn't sue a member of congress for something they said during a hearing.
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In reply to AgGrad99 • 9:11a, 1/20/25
AgGrad99 said:

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U.S. Capitol Police and DC Police officers who testified about Jan. 6
I get Fauci, Milley, Cheney...

But why the J6 police/officers? Seems a bit out of place doesn't it? Why would they need to be protected? Talk about fueling conspiracy theories, and furthering the narrative it was set up.
I'd imagine some of Biden's staffers saw somewhere on social media or on a podcast that they would also be one of the people Trump would have his DOJ go after.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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9:11a, 1/20/25
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Mentioned before but:
Biden's wrecking ball, scorched earth actions since the election cry out to shorten the period of time after future presidential elections to limit the amount of damage a future president can do to our Country.

Our Founding Fathers never envisioned a President as dark and sinister as Joe Biden residing in the Oval Office.
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9:12a, 1/20/25
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He's never fine one thing for this country. It's all been for other countries and criminals.
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9:14a, 1/20/25
Good news is, he didn't pardon the FBI agents. Or Wray. But he has almost two hours left so he might.
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9:16a, 1/20/25
Also, I see where Vindman is crying on social media about not getting a pardon. Hopefully he ends up in prison.
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In reply to Demosthenes81 • 9:17a, 1/20/25
Demosthenes81 said:
In January of 201 The Brookings Inst. published an article on why Trump's potential blanket pardons might not hold up. I wonder if they still stand by their stance.:

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/presidential-pardons-settled-law-unsettled-issues-and-a-downside-for-trump/
That was just propaganda.
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In reply to Cromagnum • 9:17a, 1/20/25
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Cromagnum said:
You cant pardon someone that isn't convicted of anything. I would investigate those POS's anyways.
Dick Nixon says hey.
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9:18a, 1/20/25
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So hire a hit man to eliminate your opposition and then immediately pardon them. Is that where we're headed?
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 9:18a, 1/20/25
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BMX Bandit said:
Quote:
The Constitution states the President has the power to pardon people convicted of crimes.
where you getting this version of the constitution? temu?


its saying nothing about convictions:



Quote:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Asking a stupid question. How do you classify it as an offense if no lawsuit is filed?
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In reply to Logos Stick • 9:19a, 1/20/25
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Logos Stick said:
Also, I see where Vindman is crying on social media about not getting a pardon. Hopefully he ends up in prison.
Revoke that loser's security clearance.
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In reply to GrapevineAg • 9:19a, 1/20/25
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So hire a hit man to eliminate your opposition and then immediately pardon them. Is that where we're headed?

Unless it all happened in DC, it would definitely fall under a state crime, so no, that wouldn't work.
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