Amazing how Liberals will claim that Republicans think they are above the law… just show them the actual pardon numbers of their last two Democrat president messiahs

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Does anyone know why the other threads were getting locked?

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I always try comments now because of this, but I don't understand it because usually on the links it's very clear what the subject is. But it's the way they want it.

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Unlike trying to guess which content might get removed, this is simple. Just do it. When you do a post, no matter how obvious it is, preface with a few lines of your own in comment. Its a good habit to be in in the AI age anyway when too much generic will be being generated without comment.

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It's like pass rushing Mahomes at this point.

Disgusting!!!

Only way to handle this is to have everyone one these people with pardons to testify under oath to congress, have it televised, they either have to tell the truth and let the world here of their crimes or lie and then you prosecute them for perjury.

Did Joe pardon Jimbo?

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Bye bye Kamala

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Truly bye bye. That unlikable witch is headed for total obscurity

bobbranco said:

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Innocent people do not need preemptive or any kind of pardon.

Now you know they were guilty and forever identified as criminals.

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Haven't read through all of thread yet so apologies if this has been asked and answered - but, not being a pardon guru, how many times (other than Ford's pardon of Nixon) has a president granted a preemptive pardon to someone who has not even been charged with a crime? Best I can tell (https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-j-trump-2017-2021) even Trump's first term pardons involved people having at least been charged with crimes. Maybe not convicted or not sentenced, but at least charged.

This seems like new ground being plowed (again, the Ford/Nixon pardon being only one I know of previously)

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Nixon's crimes were known... Don't be deceived or try to deceive. Please.

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Here is Ford's pardon. Name the crime.

By the President of the United States of America a Proclamation
Richard Nixon became the thirty-seventh President of the United States on January 20, 1969 and was reelected in 1972 for a second term by the electors of forty-nine of the fifty states. His term in office continued until his resignation on August 9, 1974.
Pursuant to resolutions of the House of Representatives, its Committee on the Judiciary conducted an inquiry and investigation on the impeachment of the President extending over more than eight months. The hearings of the Committee and its deliberations, which received wide national publicity over television, radio, and in printed media, resulted in votes adverse to Richard Nixon on recommended Articles of Impeachment.
As a result of certain acts or omissions occurring before his resignation from the Office of President, Richard Nixon has become liable to possible indictment and trial for offenses against the United States. Whether or not he shall be so prosecuted depends on findings of the appropriate grand jury and on the discretion of the authorized prosecutor. Should an indictment ensue, the accused shall then be entitled to a fair trial by an impartial jury, as guaranteed to every individual by the Constitution.
It is believed that a trial of Richard Nixon, if it became necessary, could not fairly begin until a year or more has elapsed. In the meantime, the tranquility to which this nation has been restored by the events of recent weeks could be irreparably lost by the prospects of bringing to trial a former President of the United States. The prospects of such trial will cause prolonged and divisive debate over the propriety of exposing to further punishment and degradation a man who has already paid the unprecedented penalty of relinquishing the highest elective office of the United States.
Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this eighth day of September, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and seventy-four, and of the Independence of the United States of America the one hundred and ninety-ninth.
GERALD R. FORD

Crazy

Whatever. It's in the impeachment documents.

I can't think of a more corrupt use of executive power than this? Anyone think of something close to this?

bobbranco said:

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Whatever. It's in the impeachment documents.

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Impeachment is a political process, not legal.

bobbranco said:

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Whatever. It's in the impeachment document

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OK, you have no idea what you're talking about. l Thanks for confirming.

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bobbranco said:

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Whatever. It's in the impeachment documents.

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Impeachment is a political process, not legal.

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edit: I assume he is referring to Nixon's impeachment paperwork, and, while those are at least specified, they do not constitute actual criminal charges. These Biden pardons are worse for this reason - we don't even have alleged offenses.

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Conviction isn't mentioned anywhere in the pardon power in the constitution. It only refers to "offences." That could be something as little as an act that hasn't been charged.

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Technically corrrect. Here's what it says:

...and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States...


But Biden specifically stated as he preemptive pardoned that these people had done nothing wrong. In my opinion, in order to be able to grant a pardon, an offence must have been committed. If he says no offence has been committed, but he's pardoning anyway, I submit he's acting Unconstitutionally. Otherwise, what is he pardoning?

That's worthy of posting to @badlegaltakes on X.

Biden believes they acted lawfully. Trump may believe they acted unlawfully. The pardon removes all doubt.

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Whatever. It's in the impeachment document

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OK, you have no idea what you're talking about. l Thanks for confirming.

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You think the impeachment documents do not allege criminal acts or delineate criminal offenses?

You have no clue. Do some research.

This was the starter kit to destroy Nixon...

Obstruction of justice
Abuse of presidential power
Contempt of Congress
Emoluments and tax fraud

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From sock CinC:

President Biden issues pre-emptive pardons.

“That is why I am exercising my authority under the Constitution to pardon General Mark A. Milley, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the Members of Congress and staff who served on the Select Committee, and the U.S. Capitol and D.C. Metropolitan…

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) January 20, 2025

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That is why I am exercising my authority under the Constitution to pardon General Mark A. Milley, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the Members of Congress and staff who served on the Select Committee, and the U.S. Capitol and D.C. Metropolitan police officers who testified before the Select Committee. The issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgment that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt for any offense. Our nation owes these public servants a debt of gratitude for their tireless commitment to our country.

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I see this issue as a cover up of wrong doing and preventing any meaningful investigation into crimes these people committed.

I encourage dialogue from others.

\More info here

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I submit he's acting Unconstitutionally

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I'm sure SCOTUS will heavily weigh your input.

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Whatever. It's in the impeachment document

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OK, you have no idea what you're talking about. l Thanks for confirming.

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You think the impeachment documents do not allege criminal acts or delineate criminal offenses?

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They do not represent formal criminal charges (which is/was my point) no matter how much you try to make it so. But I will concede that is more than we have for many of these Biden pardons.

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That's worthy of posting to @badlegaltakes on X.

Biden believes they acted lawfully. Trump may believe they acted unlawfully. The pardon removes all doubt.

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Nice insult. The constitution is clear in what it says. Crystal. Even in Ford's pardon of Nixon, he referenced a specific series of acts that Nixon committed that put him at risk. He also provided a justification of why he was pardoning Nixon, stating that damage to the country would likely result from prosecution of a former POTUS.

Ironically, Biden's DOJ had no such concerns with their lawfare against Trump.

Now here's Joe. Blanket pardons of individuals for a decade of possible acts they might have committed. And he's protecting the individuals, not the country. Totally different motivation. Personal. Partisan.

Are you denying that he's gone into uncharted water here? Otherwise, take your little badlegaltakes insult and shove it.

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Whatever. It's in the impeachment document

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OK, you have no idea what you're talking about. l Thanks for confirming.

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You think the impeachment documents do not allege criminal acts or delineate criminal offenses?

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They do not represent formal criminal charges (which is/was my point) no matter how much you try to make it so. But I will concede that is more than we have for many of these Biden pardons.

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I was told an offense never makes it to a criminal charge by Pinochet... You now have a clue.

Biden just pardoned his entire family on the way out.

An unrepentant crook. Worst president of all time.

Justice is coming.

Watch. pic.twitter.com/D3IRC9h0Nt

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 20, 2025

Milley and Cheney need to pay.

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Even in Ford's pardon of Nixon, he referenced a specific series of acts that Nixon committed that put him at risk.

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The pardon says this:

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"Now, therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from July (January) 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974

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No specific acts mentioned.


Oh, and without a doubt this is unprecedented.

So could Fauci kill a hooker at this point?

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That's worthy of posting to @badlegaltakes on X.

Biden believes they acted lawfully. Trump may believe they acted unlawfully. The pardon removes all doubt.

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Nice insult. The constitution is clear in what it says. Crystal. Even in Ford's pardon of Nixon, he referenced a specific series of acts that Nixon committed that put him at risk. He also provided a justification of why he was pardoning Nixon, stating that damage to the country would likely result from prosecution of a former POTUS.

Ironically, Biden's DOJ had no such concerns with their lawfare against Trump.

Now here's Joe. Blanket pardons of individuals for a decade of possible acts they might have committed. And he's protecting the individuals, not the country. Totally different motivation. Personal. Partisan.

Are you denying that he's gone into uncharted water here? Otherwise, take your little badlegaltakes insult and shove it.

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Here's the text of Ford's pardon of Nixon. Name the specific act or crime.
Richard Nixon became the thirty-seventh President of the United States on January 20, 1969 and was reelected in 1972 for a second term by the electors of forty-nine of the fifty states. His term in office continued until his resignation on August 9, 1974.
Pursuant to resolutions of the House of Representatives, its Committee on the Judiciary conducted an inquiry and investigation on the impeachment of the President extending over more than eight months. The hearings of the Committee and its deliberations, which received wide national publicity over television, radio, and in printed media, resulted in votes adverse to Richard Nixon on recommended Articles of Impeachment.
As a result of certain acts or omissions occurring before his resignation from the Office of President, Richard Nixon has become liable to possible indictment and trial for offenses against the United States. Whether or not he shall be so prosecuted depends on findings of the appropriate grand jury and on the discretion of the authorized prosecutor. Should an indictment ensue, the accused shall then be entitled to a fair trial by an impartial jury, as guaranteed to every individual by the Constitution.
It is believed that a trial of Richard Nixon, if it became necessary, could not fairly begin until a year or more has elapsed. In the meantime, the tranquility to which this nation has been restored by the events of recent weeks could be irreparably lost by the prospects of bringing to trial a former President of the United States. The prospects of such trial will cause prolonged and divisive debate over the propriety of exposing to further punishment and degradation a man who has already paid the unprecedented penalty of relinquishing the highest elective office of the United States.
Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this eighth day of September, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and seventy-four, and of the Independence of the United States of America the one hundred and ninety-ninth.
GERALD R. FORD

Now, that being said, Biden's pardon are the most broad pardons ever done. But if you think there's some loophole to these pardons, that's just wishcasting.

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Whatever. It's in the impeachment document

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OK, you have no idea what you're talking about. l Thanks for confirming.

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You think the impeachment documents do not allege criminal acts or delineate criminal offenses?

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They do not represent formal criminal charges (which is/was my point) no matter how much you try to make it so. But I will concede that is more than we have for many of these Biden pardons.

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I was told an offense never makes it to a criminal charge by Pinochet... You now have a clue.

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Just stop. You obviously can't answer the question directly.

How can you challenge his actions when you apparently support an anti-Christian (judged by his actions and not his words} and criminal convicted of 34 felonies by a jury of his peers? Your reasoning raises questions about whether or not your time in college was an exercise in futility.

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How can you challenge his actions when you apparently support an anti-Christian (judged by his actions and not his words} and criminal convicted of 34 felonies by a jury of his peers? Your reasoning raises questions about whether or not your time in college was an exercise in futility.

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Seek help!!

This needs to go to SCOTUS

Blanket pardons going back decades for no specific act are an outright abuse of what the Constitution was intended to do and creates an incredibly dangerous precedent for even more abuse

If they cannot be prosecuted they cannot take the fifth amendment because they are immune from prosecution and therefore cannot incriminate themselves.

I say subpoena them.

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That's worthy of posting to @badlegaltakes on X.

Biden believes they acted lawfully. Trump may believe they acted unlawfully. The pardon removes all doubt.

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Nice insult. The constitution is clear in what it says. Crystal. Even in Ford's pardon of Nixon, he referenced a specific series of acts that Nixon committed that put him at risk. He also provided a justification of why he was pardoning Nixon, stating that damage to the country would likely result from prosecution of a former POTUS.

Ironically, Biden's DOJ had no such concerns with their lawfare against Trump.

Now here's Joe. Blanket pardons of individuals for a decade of possible acts they might have committed. And he's protecting the individuals, not the country. Totally different motivation. Personal. Partisan.

Are you denying that he's gone into uncharted water here? Otherwise, take your little badlegaltakes insult and shove it.

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Here's the text of Ford's pardon of Nixon. Name the specific act or crime.
Richard Nixon became the thirty-seventh President of the United States on January 20, 1969 and was reelected in 1972 for a second term by the electors of forty-nine of the fifty states. His term in office continued until his resignation on August 9, 1974.
Pursuant to resolutions of the House of Representatives, its Committee on the Judiciary conducted an inquiry and investigation on the impeachment of the President extending over more than eight months. The hearings of the Committee and its deliberations, which received wide national publicity over television, radio, and in printed media, resulted in votes adverse to Richard Nixon on recommended Articles of Impeachment.
As a result of certain acts or omissions occurring before his resignation from the Office of President, Richard Nixon has become liable to possible indictment and trial for offenses against the United States. Whether or not he shall be so prosecuted depends on findings of the appropriate grand jury and on the discretion of the authorized prosecutor. Should an indictment ensue, the accused shall then be entitled to a fair trial by an impartial jury, as guaranteed to every individual by the Constitution.
It is believed that a trial of Richard Nixon, if it became necessary, could not fairly begin until a year or more has elapsed. In the meantime, the tranquility to which this nation has been restored by the events of recent weeks could be irreparably lost by the prospects of bringing to trial a former President of the United States. The prospects of such trial will cause prolonged and divisive debate over the propriety of exposing to further punishment and degradation a man who has already paid the unprecedented penalty of relinquishing the highest elective office of the United States.
Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this eighth day of September, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and seventy-four, and of the Independence of the United States of America the one hundred and ninety-ninth.
GERALD R. FORD

Now, that being said, Biden's pardon are the most broad pardons ever done. But if you think there's some loophole to these pardons, that's just wishcasting.

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He didn't name a specific crime, though he clearly references the Watergate scandal in the above bolded section. THAT is what I meant about specific. He also acknowledges that those acts lost Nixon the Presidency.

And perhaps we'll see about the wishcasting. Biden has definititely stretched the wording and intent of the Pardons clause much farther than it's ever been done, and to summarily dismiss what he's done reveals a "malleable Constitution" mindset.

I would expect it to be subject to judicial review, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was challenged.

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Whatever. It's in the impeachment document

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OK, you have no idea what you're talking about. l Thanks for confirming.

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You think the impeachment documents do not allege criminal acts or delineate criminal offenses?

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They do not represent formal criminal charges (which is/was my point) no matter how much you try to make it so. But I will concede that is more than we have for many of these Biden pardons.

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I was told an offense never makes it to a criminal charge by Pinochet... You now have a clue.

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Just stop. You obviously can't answer the question directly.

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I answered it. Nixon's crimes were known. What exactly are Milley's crimes? Or Cheney's? You have no paper trail with any alleged offenses.

You are not convincing me with your nuanced retorts.

Biden crime family just got completely pardoned.

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BartInLA said:

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Bye bye Kamala

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Truly bye bye. That unlikable witch is headed for total obscurity

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unfortunately for the Republic she is going to run for Governor of New York

"if Hillary Clinton can do it then I can do it!!"