That was from 2007, I think they've been putting out clues for along time framed as entertainment. "the moment ya got it figured, you're wrong"...
"Still got the shovel "

Surely, I am not the only one that thinks if these original files held ANYTHING that was damning of what we have been told already have been burned/destroyed. Theyve had 60+ years to do it. Heck, they were probably destroyed in the 10 years right after it happened. Probably during the LBJ days.

Edit to add: At least Trump is trying to be transparent for something many other Presidents have chosen not to.

Good Trump.

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Honestly I cannot fathom incriminating docs exist that are only hidden behind classification if they implicate cia, fbi, lbj, bush, etc.

Those things would have been lifted and destroyed decades ago.

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This would be my same thought, any incriminating documents, if they did exist, were purged years ago, no way those kinds of documents would have made it into any archives? I seriously doubt anything like that exist

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A lot of the discussion on this thread is about the possible involvement by others in the assassination(s) and the documentation of that involvement.

I believe the bombshell information remaining will be the embarrassing shenanigans and skulduggery of JFK (and RFK/MLK), and their associates.

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Honestly I cannot fathom incriminating docs exist that are only hidden behind classification if they implicate cia, fbi, lbj, bush, etc.

Those things would have been lifted and destroyed decades ago.

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This would be my same thought, any incriminating documents, if they did exist, were purged years ago, no way those kinds of documents would have made it into any archives? I seriously doubt anything like that exist

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A lot of the discussion on this thread is about the possible involvement by others in the assassination(s) and the documentation of that involvement.

I believe the bombshell information remaining will be the embarrassing shenanigans and skulduggery of JFK (and RFK/MLK), and their associates.

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I think most of what is left classified will be how we spied on MLK, Russia, Cuba, etc. There may be some MLK embarrassment, but I doubt there is much like that on JFK/RFK because of the nature of those cases (not that they didn't have lots of embarrassing shenanigans.)

What would anyone be shocked with by now concerning MLK? It's kind of been known he was a chain smoker. Occasional drinker. Apparently wasn't a loyal husband. This wouldve been scandalous information to boomers. Gen X, millenials and below could care less more than likely. We look at Ghandi through a different lense now too. JFK and MLK were not prefect men. Heck, Trump isn't a Saint, let's be real here.

If, there are any records and evidence relating to the agencies and any possible connection to any of the assinations? We have to digest the raw facts. Count me in the pool of people who think that any smoking gun was burned decades ago. We will never know.

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I was a fish when JFK was assassinated, so I have lived through all the rhetoric and conspiracy theories. I thought I had heard all of them, but on WBAP today, someone said the Secret Service accidentally shot him and it was covered up. This guy said after the first shot, a SS agent jacked a round into his M-16 and it discharged. He went on to talk about the autopsy and other items, but I was driving and didn't get past the SS revelation!

I'll admit, I had never heard that before!

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Very interesting, since the M-16 didn't go into service until 1964...

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I wondered about that. We qualified at Ft. Sill with the M-14 and didn't even see an M-16 until I got to Vietnam. An M-14 seems rather unwieldy in a setting like that. That was in 1969.

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I was a fish when JFK was assassinated, so I have lived through all the rhetoric and conspiracy theories. I thought I had heard all of them, but on WBAP today, someone said the Secret Service accidentally shot him and it was covered up. This guy said after the first shot, a SS agent jacked a round into his M-16 and it discharged. He went on to talk about the autopsy and other items, but I was driving and didn't get past the SS revelation!

I'll admit, I had never heard that before!

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Very interesting, since the M-16 didn't go into service until 1964...

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I heard the caller on the James Show today, also. He did say M-16, but I believe he was speaking from memory about what he read in one of the many books on the subject. I wouldn't take his saying M-16 as the accounts in the book having said it.

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I was a fish when JFK was assassinated, so I have lived through all the rhetoric and conspiracy theories. I thought I had heard all of them, but on WBAP today, someone said the Secret Service accidentally shot him and it was covered up. This guy said after the first shot, a SS agent jacked a round into his M-16 and it discharged. He went on to talk about the autopsy and other items, but I was driving and didn't get past the SS revelation!

I'll admit, I had never heard that before!

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Very interesting, since the M-16 didn't go into service until 1964...

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The secret service was using Colt AR15s in 1963.

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Neither I nor the poster I responded to referred to AR15s.

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Aaaaand now you're being pedantic. It's entirely possible to confuse the two very similar rifles and still be plausible or even correct in the theory. Besides, tell me from this picture which of the two the agent is carrying.

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I'm not the one who said it was an M-16.

Go crap on him.

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No, you are just the one making a point that doesn't actually matter.

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I made a point that was correct.

You've decided that it's important to you to argue with me. But, not about the point I made.

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While technically correct, it isn't actually useful to the conversation. So sure, you have such superior knowledge but it's worthless and you add nothing to the thread.

I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.

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I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government.

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Based on what, exactly, other than sheer paranoia and/or overactive imagination?

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My guess is that whatever material that was still classified was due to information deemed sensitive due to being related to presidential security details, communications equipment, etc. As with everything related to this, the length of time passed is so great that any tech stuff is long since obsolete.

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After the Kennedy assassination, didn't they set a time limit after which the records would automatically be subjected to review for declassification.

I seem to remember it being 50 years but I might be wrong. Whatever it was seemed like an awfully long time to me at the time.

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I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.

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Yes I would like to know why? Why take out someone like MLK? What was he doing that was so bad to piss them off? Just curious what MLK was up to? That was before my time

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At least Trump is trying to be transparent for something many other Presidents have chosen not to.

Good Trump.

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Actually, President George H W Bush ordered them to be declassified in 2017. And Biden also created a deadline for a great many of them to be declassified.

So Trump is following the lead of both H W Bush and Biden.

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What was he doing that was so bad to piss them off?

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King was a devout Socialist. He was pushing for slavery reparations for all Blacks and for a guaranteed middle class income for everyone.

He was also actively extoring companies for money for his cause and to force them to hire the same percentage of minorities at each and every level of the company as the percentage of minotiries in their location. So if there were 50% Blacks where a company was located, that would mean 50% of every job must be Black. That includes Vice Presidents and maybe the President of the company.

He went after Sealtest Dairy really hard (are you even familiar with them now?) and had started on Coca Cola.

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It has ALL been altered. Fabricated. The CIA did years of prep work / fabrication to the file even before the assassination.

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It has ALL been altered. Fabricated. The CIA did years of prep work / fabrication to the file even before the assassination.

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This seems more like what I would expect.. info release will be a paper tiger

My bet will be that the information, if released, won't be the original, unedited version of events.

If it is factual information released, in regards to JFK, it will state that there was a 3-man CIA hit team that took JFK out. It would call out the Actions of JFK to turn around the fighter jets headed to Cuba that were being sent to support the agents fighting at the Bay of Pigs. Many agents needlessly died in that conflict.
Within hours of that directive, a contract was initiated to take JFK out at one of his next public appearances, which just happened to be in Dallas. There will also be incriminating evidence that LBJ played a major role in those events and subsequent cover up.

This was told to me by a friend that served in the CIA for 4 years and worked with Oliver North, training the Contras.

You can take it for what it's worth and believe it or not. I choose to believe what he said.

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Within hours of that directive, a contract was initiated to take JFK out at one of his next public appearances, which just happened to be in Dallas.

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Bay of Pigs invasion was 2 1/2 years before the assassination.

So, your premise is still plausible, but it wasn't really one of his next public appearances.

That being said, an op like this would be classified at the TS/SAP level and your buddy committed several felonies telling you.

Those dates are part of the CIA cover-up. They want us to believe Bay of Pigs was 2.5 years earlier.


It's amazing how much "factual information" the JFK conspiracy theorist have includes so easily disprovable facts.

Regardless of what is/isnt in these files, you have to admit that our government has a serious credibility problem that helps usher conspiracy theories in…. Some of the more recent ones?

- 2 weeks to flatten the curve
- The jab will keep you from getting the Vid
- Russia, Russia, Russia
- Quid pro quo
- The laptop is Russian disinformation

There are elements in our government that are absolutely filthy…

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This is true even if they had released everything in December '63

I don't disagree…but you can't fault people for being constantly skeptical of everything that comes out of the loop…whether it's JFK conspiracies, crossing over to fight in Cambodia, or even trying to frame a sitting president for made up lies…our government is always trying to hide things in order to push a certain narrative and control the official story…

Hell, we still know very little about the alleged assassin from the Pennsylvania attempt…why?

I had somewhat of a sobering thought - way less than half the people in this country were even alive when JFK and MLK were shot.


I do think that if anything nefarious is found, the perpetrators should be brought to swift justice.

wonder if Oliver Stone will now be MAGA?

at any rate, this is a great move!

even if there is no salacious information, opening up the transparency of the government will be popular with the vast majority of Americans!

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I was a fish when JFK was assassinated, so I have lived through all the rhetoric and conspiracy theories. I thought I had heard all of them, but on WBAP today, someone said the Secret Service accidentally shot him and it was covered up. This guy said after the first shot, a SS agent jacked a round into his M-16 and it discharged. He went on to talk about the autopsy and other items, but I was driving and didn't get past the SS revelation!

I'll admit, I had never heard that before!

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Very interesting, since the M-16 didn't go into service until 1964...

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Neither I nor the poster I responded to referred to AR15s.

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Aaaaand now you're being pedantic. It's entirely possible to confuse the two very similar rifles and still be plausible or even correct in the theory. Besides, tell me from this picture which of the two the agent is carrying.

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I'm not the one who said it was an M-16.

Go crap on him.

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No, you are just the one making a point that doesn't actually matter.

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I made a point that was correct.

You've decided that it's important to you to argue with me. But, not about the point I made.

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While technically correct, it isn't actually useful to the conversation. So sure, you have such superior knowledge but it's worthless and you add nothing to the thread.

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Well, we all now know the gun wasn't an M-16 and that the M-16 wasn't in service at that time.

Even buzzard had the same question when he read the original comment.

So, there's your usefulness.

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Can we all now visit Area 51?

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Make it a national park.

THIS times 100

It hasn't been released because JFK was taking drugs for pain in his back from the war

JFK was banging a ton of models and even girlfriends of mafia bosses

and of course banging Marilyn Monroe

MLK was likely having conversations with commies and numerous affairs and drug use

RFK banging Marilyn Monroe and others

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completely agree, which is why I didn't fault anyone for being skeptical of JFK story. we should be.

but when the easily provable facts disprove one's theory, its no longer skepticism. .

If anybody is interested, I would highly recommend JFK and the Unspeakable - the book RFK Jr. recommended as the best account of his uncle's assassination. It's incredible and gives a plausible theory for what happened (and why). More than that, though, it lays out how implausible the official story is.

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I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.

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Yes I would like to know why? Why take out someone like MLK? What was he doing that was so bad to piss them off? Just curious what MLK was up to? That was before my time

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I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.

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Yes I would like to know why? Why take out someone like MLK? What was he doing that was so bad to piss them off? Just curious what MLK was up to? That was before my time

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I'd like to see any evidence of this besides accusations or hearsay. I'm just saying that I've never seen or heard any evidence of this. I tend to to believe it was more about his general popularity and influence and effecting the status quo (riling up the Blacks).

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I think MLK was 100% murdered by our government. JFK is less likely. But, let's drain the swamp. DC operates for us and not to control us. Trump is fighting a massive enemy right now.

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Yes I would like to know why? Why take out someone like MLK? What was he doing that was so bad to piss them off? Just curious what MLK was up to? That was before my time

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I'd like to see any evidence of this besides accusations or hearsay. I'm just saying that I've never seen or heard any evidence of this. I tend to to believe it was more about his general popularity and influence and effecting the status quo (riling up the Blacks).

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Was LBJ already POTUS when MLK was killed? If so, I think the bolded part of your statement was enough of a reason for the decision makers as well.