whoop1995 said:

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Dang my Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth but no toothbrush.
- waterboy

Sorry sir - no disrespect to your mother as what you wrote was a very interesting read indeed.


It's almost like they had to watch they people they knew weren't part of it just in case they became a part of it and the people that were a part of it they left alone because they already knew what they were going to do. I wonder what they would've asked your mother if she did run across a spy or someone on their radar? That would have been a surreal experience as well.

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If I am not mistaken after WWII several universities and colleges in Mexico were able to get on the list of approved universities and thus during the late 40's and 50's, and into the 60's, there was a large expat student population down there. A lot of them, according to my mother & father were outcasts and oddballs so what you mention is likely, especially given the international setting.

What I remember my mother telling me, and it has been years, is that they asked her about the courses she was taking and the clubs and such that she belonged to. And both times she was asked if she had contact with diplomats from other countries. She found it strange as she was basically having the time of her life and going to school.

Remember that the KGB and such had run really successful recruitments of young impressionable students in the UK and France in the years prior, so this was prolly old hat to them.

Ironically, in the late 90's a very close social friend of our families, whose sons still are still in CDMX and who were my childhood friends, was identified as a CIA agent in Mexico in a couple of books, but one not attached to the embassy. It is probably true as this family was always able to have, and register, several American cars (which was tough in Mex in the 70's) and lived very well. I am fairly certain that one of my childhood friends father was CIA agent, he was attached to the US embassy and lived close by. When they eventually moved, they moved one day to the next without a good bye or anything. And the dad was really mysterious as well.

CIA uses a lot of "sub-contractors" for deniability reasons. Some probably imagine they are actual CIA employees.

Amazing - and here is your mom just happy go lucky right in the middle of spies and such having a great time oblivious to it all. That is some crazy stuff. People asking her questions because they were worried they missed something. When do you think she caught a clue that spy stuff was going on?

While she was down there or later on when she thought about it?

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So the CIA was so talented that they were able to set all this up and there would be absolutely no evidence found for over 60 years...

But at the same time, the CIA were so inept that they used an idiot like Oswald that got himself caught within a couple hours because he snuck into a movie without paying?

Did the CIA get the little neighborhood busy body wives to set LHO with the job at the Texas Schoolbook Depository, because that is how he got the job. Were the neighborhood wives also CIA agents? What about the TSBD manager that hired LHO? What about the brother of the friend of the friend that lost his job, had to move to Dallas, and got the job at the TSBD so his sister was able to tell her friend that was friends with Marina Oswald that they were hiring. All CIA assets to set this up?

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You realize that you sound as crazy, kooky , and off your rocker as any extreme conspiracy theorist with that wall of nonsense? To believe everything that you wrote in that last paragraph makes we wonder if you might be the John Nash of this board.

And I doubt that there is some massive government conspiracy here, but I wouldn't put anything past the CIA. But more than likely I bet this "coverup" is just the IC covering their backsides because Oswald was a CIA asset (and probably involved in some loopy mind control crap) and that came back to bite the CIA in the butt. That is my personal conspiracy theory, at least.

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It is not correct that LHO didn't speak Spanish. He took Spanish in school growing up and when he was in the Marines, he regularly tried to learn and practice Spanish with Nelson Delgado, who had the same MOS. They worked together and were both loners. Delgado's parents were both from PR, so he grew up and was fluent. LHO wasn't good at Spanish, but he tried (sounds similar to his Russian.)


I wasn't around in the 60s, but in the 80s and 90s it was never any big deal to cross the border either way. I doubt it was all that difficult for any American to just cross the border there. I don't think that is particularly suspicious.

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Very good points, enlightening. But factor this in, Puerto Rican Spanish is different than Mexican Spanish, communication would be obvious but it would be a Spanish that 100% would be noticed as nowhere near local and especially in Northern Mexico where the Spanish is much more rough than the larger cities. Think difference between New Eangland and say South Alabama.

You are 100% correct that getting across the border, the actual border, was nothing until 2009 when the BS passport law came into effect. And in the 1960's it was prolly easier than the 1970's when I had some awareness and it was really easy then.

But up until the last 5 or so years Mexican Immigration and Customs has always had checkpoints (see link below) about 20 miles south on all the highways leading out of the border cities from the US. Up until the early double aughts inspection and checking of documents at these was fairly formal. Foreigners were required to obtain a "FMT" tourist card and these would be checked at the checkpoints. The bus companies have usually had a policy when running busses south that they would check American's papers and not let them on unless they had a valid "FMT".

100% you are right LHO could have traveled into Mex easily, but he either took the time to get the paperwork done or he bribed someone to let him pass. If he got the paperwork it would have been on file somewhere, and probably shared with the US, and or if he would have been stopped by the DFS they would have run him unless he had an FMT, if nothing else to extort him. But we really don't know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garitas

The immigration part of it would be easy, making it through the Monterrey, as Laredo busses all went there on the way to CDMX, and then large CDMX (which in the 60's was probably a LatAm version of Mad Max) bus terminals would have been the hard part. Uncomfortable and complicated in the 60's.

Really interesting stuff, thanks very much for posting this. I'm a bit of a history buff but have never heard about the LHO in Mexico stuff before.

Wow. Guitarsoup is taking a flamethrower to the other posters!

Is there a mercy rule on F16???

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It is not correct that LHO didn't speak Spanish. He took Spanish in school growing up and when he was in the Marines, he regularly tried to learn and practice Spanish with Nelson Delgado, who had the same MOS. They worked together and were both loners. Delgado's parents were both from PR, so he grew up and was fluent. LHO wasn't good at Spanish, but he tried (sounds similar to his Russian.)


I wasn't around in the 60s, but in the 80s and 90s it was never any big deal to cross the border either way. I doubt it was all that difficult for any American to just cross the border there. I don't think that is particularly suspicious.

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Very good points, enlightening. But factor this in, Puerto Rican Spanish is different than Mexican Spanish, communication would be obvious but it would be a Spanish that 100% would be noticed as nowhere near local and especially in Northern Mexico where the Spanish is much more rough than the larger cities. Think difference between New Eangland and say South Alabama.

You are 100% correct that getting across the border, the actual border, was nothing until 2009 when the BS passport law came into effect. And in the 1960's it was prolly easier than the 1970's when I had some awareness and it was really easy then.

But up until the last 5 or so years Mexican Immigration and Customs has always had checkpoints (see link below) about 20 miles south on all the highways leading out of the border cities from the US. Up until the early double aughts inspection and checking of documents at these was fairly formal. Foreigners were required to obtain a "FMT" tourist card and these would be checked at the checkpoints. The bus companies have usually had a policy when running busses south that they would check American's papers and not let them on unless they had a valid "FMT".

100% you are right LHO could have traveled into Mex easily, but he either took the time to get the paperwork done or he bribed someone to let him pass. If he got the paperwork it would have been on file somewhere, and probably shared with the US, and or if he would have been stopped by the DFS they would have run him unless he had an FMT, if nothing else to extort him. But we really don't know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garitas

The immigration part of it would be easy, making it through the Monterrey, as Laredo busses all went there on the way to CDMX, and then large CDMX (which in the 60's was probably a LatAm version of Mad Max) bus terminals would have been the hard part. Uncomfortable and complicated in the 60's.

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Like I said, I don't know what it was like in the 60s. For Spring Break 2001, I did mission work in Chilpancingo and we took busses from College Station to the border then to Mexico City where we took a cab across town to the other bus terminal, then on to Chilpancingo. I don't think I even had a passport and just had my driver's license, which was pretty normal. Never had any problems at all.

I just don't know that there was any real difficulties going through Mexico as an American. I sure never faced any and have been to Mexico many times prior back in the 80s and 90s. I went as far as Acapulco and really don't remember any checkpoints. If there were, they were completely unmemorable. It's been almost 25 years, but I don't remember being hassled anywhere in Mexico back then. And my Spanish was and is completely awful. My 12yo speaks way better Spanish now than I ever did at any point in my life.

Now the Mexico City taxis in beaten up Nissan Sentras - that was something to experience.


So like I said, I have no idea what it was like in the 60s, but when I bussed across Mexico in 2001, there was no problem at all anywhere, even for this Gringo with little to no Spanish (No Spanish classes at A&M)

Just my experience.

I do think there was all kinds of CIA and KGB activity in Mexico City, but I also think that no agencies liked, trusted, or wanted to work with LHO because he was dumb and unpredictable with significant documented mental health issues.

And I don't think it is at all noteworthy that he was able to travel from Dallas to Mexico City in the 60s. What he actually did there could definitely be noteworthy.

That is interesting, I never really asked her "when" she noticed this, but it had to have been after the assassination.

You hafta remember Castro, Trotsky, Che Guevara, The Shah of Iran, Sandino all spent time in Mexico. And there were many other revolutionaries, oddballs, leftists, commies, and such that did as well. And in the late 30's at least about 30,000 Spanish Republican's were given refuge in Mexico as well.

In the 70's, as a kid growing up there, there were lots of diplomats kids around and many expat societies and such, the American presence was very pronounced as was the British. Spanish national societies were huge as well.

Heck the current Mexican presidents family has some nebulous history of their immigration to Mexico.

Mexico has always welcomed dissidents and the persecuted, as long as they never got involved in domestic politics. I think a portion of that was driven by the US so as to have potential enemies closer rather than afar.

You could well be right, as LHO did appear to be a doltish dumbass.

Man, Chilpancingo is a great city. I always liked visiting there, last time I was there was in the late 90's, but as a kid one of my cousin's mother, aunt by marriage, family had lived there and had a nice home just outside of town going up a mountain. I spent several long weekends there and thought it was really cool.

LHO being a dumbass leads into another portion of my doubts & curiosity about his time in CDMX. Mexico City is not a city for the naive or dumb, not now and not in the 60's. It has always had rough edges and dangerous parts. I grew up there and I credit it for making me keenly aware of my surroundings at all time, as I did have several "interesting" experiences. From what I understand busses into CDMX were a pain in the ass until the big terminal opened in the early 70's. How did he know where, how, what to do?

As mentioned, in those days, even up until the late 90's, busses were going to stop at two or three stops before Mexico City, and prolly back then you would have needed to connect. Bus stations in Mexico, the public ones, have always been a little rough. How did he know how to navigate all of that?

I too have traveled all over Mexico by bus with no issues, and it is ton better in the last 30 years than it was. If you were traveling by charter bus via an organization likely either FMT's were obtained via list ahead of time or things were arranged to by pass this. This would not have been the case on a regular "buy a ticket" bus, and that bus would have been stopped at the checkpoint because that was a way for the Mexican Immigration (which were customs as well until 1988) to check peoples belongings and get a bribe for excess goods from the US, which was a big deal until the late 80's.

Much is made about LHO, as you correctly mention, being not to sharp. I am just not convinced that a dummy could make his way down there, from Dallas, and get around to the Cuban and Soviet missions and avoid any encumbrance by Mexican authorities that just preyed on people like what LHO appears to be. Or is it possible that the dumbass, ideological stumblebum persona was a sham?

I am no big conspiracy theorist, just awfully curious as to how that chapter played out.

Mexico only recently started requiring passports for immigration into the interior, so during your time a DL or Voters ID or B. cert would have been fine, and it was when LHO traveled as well.

To your point, absolutely bus travel was possible back then even for a dumbass. Was it easy, simple, and comfortable, no. Most people traveling that route in the early 60's would have traveled it by train. I wanna say my mother said her first trips were from SA to CDMX, via Nuevo Laredo. Bus travel in Mex even in the 70's was rough. As highways expanded it improved greatly in the 80's and 90's and honestly is the best and most convenient way to travel in Mex now. In the early 90's I did passenger buses from the border down to Guatemalan border and various other places and for short trips I will use them even now.

Im Gipper said:

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Wow. Guitarsoup is taking a flamethrower to the other posters!

Is there a mercy rule on F16???

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We will see maybe if his certitude is worthy of the rectitude.

Having an oldster brain fart right now. (That I wasn't in the corps but Daddy was. Class of '48.)

What was that old corps response? "In the full course of rectitude, I cannot say with certitude, in short I do not know, sir." Was that close?

Thank you so much for the insight into this mysterious era of time with LHO in Mexico and providing the insight of the times and culture that it was. It has been a pleasure reading your posts and I hope I didn't treat your mother in any ill regard with the questions.

Thank you again
Gig em

aggiehawg said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Wow. Guitarsoup is taking a flamethrower to the other posters!

Is there a mercy rule on F16???

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We will see maybe if his certitude is worthy of the rectitude.

Having an oldster brain fart right now. (That I wasn't in the corps but Daddy was. Class of '48.)

What was that old corps response? "In the full course of rectitude, I cannot say with certitude, in short I do not know, sir." Was that close?

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Considering you are making comments like this rather than talking evidence, I am pretty confident in my conclusions.

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You could well be right, as LHO did appear to be a doltish dumbass.

Man, Chilpancingo is a great city. I always liked visiting there, last time I was there was in the late 90's, but as a kid one of my cousin's mother, aunt by marriage, family had lived there and had a nice home just outside of town going up a mountain. I spent several long weekends there and thought it was really cool.

LHO being a dumbass leads into another portion of my doubts & curiosity about his time in CDMX. Mexico City is not a city for the naive or dumb, not now and not in the 60's. It has always had rough edges and dangerous parts. I grew up there and I credit it for making me keenly aware of my surroundings at all time, as I did have several "interesting" experiences. From what I understand busses into CDMX were a pain in the ass until the big terminal opened in the early 70's. How did he know where, how, what to do?

As mentioned, in those days, even up until the late 90's, busses were going to stop at two or three stops before Mexico City, and prolly back then you would have needed to connect. Bus stations in Mexico, the public ones, have always been a little rough. How did he know how to navigate all of that?

I too have traveled all over Mexico by bus with no issues, and it is ton better in the last 30 years than it was. If you were traveling by charter bus via an organization likely either FMT's were obtained via list ahead of time or things were arranged to by pass this. This would not have been the case on a regular "buy a ticket" bus, and that bus would have been stopped at the checkpoint because that was a way for the Mexican Immigration (which were customs as well until 1988) to check peoples belongings and get a bribe for excess goods from the US, which was a big deal until the late 80's.

Much is made about LHO, as you correctly mention, being not to sharp. I am just not convinced that a dummy could make his way down there, from Dallas, and get around to the Cuban and Soviet missions and avoid any encumbrance by Mexican authorities that just preyed on people like what LHO appears to be. Or is it possible that the dumbass, ideological stumblebum persona was a sham?

I am no big conspiracy theorist, just awfully curious as to how that chapter played out.

Mexico only recently started requiring passports for immigration into the interior, so during your time a DL or Voters ID or B. cert would have been fine, and it was when LHO traveled as well.

To your point, absolutely bus travel was possible back then even for a dumbass. Was it easy, simple, and comfortable, no. Most people traveling that route in the early 60's would have traveled it by train. I wanna say my mother said her first trips were from SA to CDMX, via Nuevo Laredo. Bus travel in Mex even in the 70's was rough. As highways expanded it improved greatly in the 80's and 90's and honestly is the best and most convenient way to travel in Mex now. In the early 90's I did passenger buses from the border down to Guatemalan border and various other places and for short trips I will use them even now.

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I remember reading P.J. O'Rourke writing from Bosnia (I think) about a young reporter who rented a car and was driving around the war zone. He said the kid looked to be about 12, and that was the only explanation for him not being dead. Sometimes naivety and luck get you through.

Serious question, are you CIA?



Your knowledge of the inner working of Mexico (particularly border towns and states) always intrigues me.

I won't be surprised if JFK, MLK, and RFK files could turn out to be much bigger than any of us can imagine.

Nothing to see in these files.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Serious question, are you CIA?



Your knowledge of the inner working of Mexico (particularly border towns and states) always intrigues me.

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Because "RGV" is short for "Really Good Vato".

BCSWguru said:

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I cannot keep up with what is happening its so fast.

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WMD's!

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Wesley Buell Frazier lost his job and moved to Dallas to move in with his sister.
Frazier got a job at the Texas SchoolBook Despository.
Frazier's sister told Ruth Paine that the TSBD was hiring.
Marina Oswald was living with Ruth Paine. LHO was unemployed.
Ruth Paine set up LHO for a job interview at the TSBD because Lee needed to make money to help out better since Marina was pregnant with #2
LHO starts working at the TSBD.

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Just to throw in a couple of other dominos before LHO began work at the TSBD:
Part of the testimony of Roy Truly (superintendent of the TSBD) to the Warren Commission "…if it [the fall rush] hadn't existed a week or 2 weeks longer, or if we had not been using some of our regular boys putting down this plywood, we would not have had any need for Lee Oswald at that time, which is a tragic thing for me to think about."
Truly also testified that on October 15 he hired two individuals for temporary work, Lee Oswald and another man who was assigned to the North Houston warehouse location. No real reason to think LHO could just as easily been assigned to the North Houston warehouse instead putting him several blocks from the parade route.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Serious question, are you CIA?



Your knowledge of the inner working of Mexico (particularly border towns and states) always intrigues me.

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Ha! No, again No. Boss, I grew up in Mexico and moved to the border starting HS. After college I ended up working back in Mex, and then a whole bunch in Central America and Caribbean. I have spent most of my life in LatAm or living on the border, both sides, save for a few brief stints. A lot more time outta the US than in it. And as opposed to just visiting I lived, and will prolly live again, in Latin America somewhere as well. Living and working in those places, when you work and experience day to day life you learn a lot. Just like posters on here know a lot about their hometowns and such.

RGV AG said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Serious question, are you CIA?



Your knowledge of the inner working of Mexico (particularly border towns and states) always intrigues me.

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Ha! No, again No. Boss, I grew up in Mexico and moved to the border starting HS. After college I ended up working back in Mex, and then a whole bunch in Central America and Caribbean. I have spent most of my life in LatAm or living on the border, both sides, save for a few brief stints. A lot more time outta the US than in it. And as opposed to just visiting I lived, and will prolly live again, in Latin America somewhere as well. Living and working in those places, when you work and experience day to day life you learn a lot. Just like posters on here know a lot about their hometowns and such.

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Your perspective and experience in Mexico City is really interesting. I think that what is released will have to do with the CIA operations there more than anything.

I also think that we will probably see some intelligence failures similar to 9/11 where the CIA didnt communicate LHO information to the FBI. I think we also see a lot more ineptitude from them in general where they should have known things and just didn't or didn't follow up on it.

Also, we are gonna find out that you are actually CIA.

Guitarsoup said:

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RGV AG said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Serious question, are you CIA?



Your knowledge of the inner working of Mexico (particularly border towns and states) always intrigues me.

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Ha! No, again No. Boss, I grew up in Mexico and moved to the border starting HS. After college I ended up working back in Mex, and then a whole bunch in Central America and Caribbean. I have spent most of my life in LatAm or living on the border, both sides, save for a few brief stints. A lot more time outta the US than in it. And as opposed to just visiting I lived, and will prolly live again, in Latin America somewhere as well. Living and working in those places, when you work and experience day to day life you learn a lot. Just like posters on here know a lot about their hometowns and such.

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I think that what is released will have to do with the CIA operations there more than anything.

I also think that we will probably see some intelligence failures similar to 9/11 where the CIA didnt communicate LHO information to the FBI. I think we also see a lot more ineptitude from them in general where they should have known things and just didn't or didn't follow up on it.

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I think it's going to be more like this too. Which really makes me wonder why the cover-up for 60 years. We really just trying to conceal ineptitude? Any smoking gun has long been disposed of.

Duckhook said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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RGV AG said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Serious question, are you CIA?



Your knowledge of the inner working of Mexico (particularly border towns and states) always intrigues me.

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Ha! No, again No. Boss, I grew up in Mexico and moved to the border starting HS. After college I ended up working back in Mex, and then a whole bunch in Central America and Caribbean. I have spent most of my life in LatAm or living on the border, both sides, save for a few brief stints. A lot more time outta the US than in it. And as opposed to just visiting I lived, and will prolly live again, in Latin America somewhere as well. Living and working in those places, when you work and experience day to day life you learn a lot. Just like posters on here know a lot about their hometowns and such.

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I think that what is released will have to do with the CIA operations there more than anything.

I also think that we will probably see some intelligence failures similar to 9/11 where the CIA didnt communicate LHO information to the FBI. I think we also see a lot more ineptitude from them in general where they should have known things and just didn't or didn't follow up on it.

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I think it's going to be more like this too. Which really makes me wonder why the cover-up for 60 years. We really just trying to conceal ineptitude? Any smoking gun has long been disposed of.

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Could be several reasons and I am sure I am missing some

• Conceal ineptitude
• Conceal maybe had reason/opportunity to stop LHO
• Conceal maybe they knew that LHO shot at General Walker (Happened in April, Mexico trip was Sept/Oct)
• Conceal how much and how we were spying on Mexico, Russia, and Cuba
• Conceal assets in Mexico/Cuba/Russia.
• Conceal spying methods
• Conceal illegal operations

RGV AG said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Serious question, are you CIA?



Your knowledge of the inner working of Mexico (particularly border towns and states) always intrigues me.

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Ha! No, again No. Boss, I grew up in Mexico and moved to the border starting HS. After college I ended up working back in Mex, and then a whole bunch in Central America and Caribbean. I have spent most of my life in LatAm or living on the border, both sides, save for a few brief stints. A lot more time outta the US than in it. And as opposed to just visiting I lived, and will prolly live again, in Latin America somewhere as well. Living and working in those places, when you work and experience day to day life you learn a lot. Just like posters on here know a lot about their hometowns and such.

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Always enjoy and appreciate your input on these subjects. Even if we may disagree on whether we should wage war on the cartels or not. I really want to take it to em…if anything, because I can no longer go crush Moderno's in Piedras Negras with mi gente.

Although, one of my gringo buddies that grew up on the border and still crosses over on a fairly regular basis made the recent claim that Coahuila was one of the safest countries in Mexico, as the state police (Fuerza Coahuila?) have basically shut down the cartels. Sounds like they are now operating as cartel though lol?

Guitarsoup said:

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Duckhook said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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RGV AG said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Serious question, are you CIA?



Your knowledge of the inner working of Mexico (particularly border towns and states) always intrigues me.

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Ha! No, again No. Boss, I grew up in Mexico and moved to the border starting HS. After college I ended up working back in Mex, and then a whole bunch in Central America and Caribbean. I have spent most of my life in LatAm or living on the border, both sides, save for a few brief stints. A lot more time outta the US than in it. And as opposed to just visiting I lived, and will prolly live again, in Latin America somewhere as well. Living and working in those places, when you work and experience day to day life you learn a lot. Just like posters on here know a lot about their hometowns and such.

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I think that what is released will have to do with the CIA operations there more than anything.

I also think that we will probably see some intelligence failures similar to 9/11 where the CIA didnt communicate LHO information to the FBI. I think we also see a lot more ineptitude from them in general where they should have known things and just didn't or didn't follow up on it.

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I think it's going to be more like this too. Which really makes me wonder why the cover-up for 60 years. We really just trying to conceal ineptitude? Any smoking gun has long been disposed of.

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Could be several reasons and I am sure I am missing some

• Conceal ineptitude
• Conceal maybe had reason/opportunity to stop LHO
• Conceal maybe they knew that LHO shot at General Walker (Happened in April, Mexico trip was Sept/Oct)
• Conceal how much and how we were spying on Mexico, Russia, and Cuba
• Conceal assets in Mexico/Cuba/Russia.
• Conceal spying methods
• Conceal illegal operations

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Wait, you are the expert are you not? Why do you have that many possibilities left in your mind while equating my having questions makes me "Kamala Harris brain salad' in your judgment?

(Took great offense to that but restrained from responding until you said that.)

Gonna be very interesting.

aggiehawg said:

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Duckhook said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Serious question, are you CIA?



Your knowledge of the inner working of Mexico (particularly border towns and states) always intrigues me.

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Ha! No, again No. Boss, I grew up in Mexico and moved to the border starting HS. After college I ended up working back in Mex, and then a whole bunch in Central America and Caribbean. I have spent most of my life in LatAm or living on the border, both sides, save for a few brief stints. A lot more time outta the US than in it. And as opposed to just visiting I lived, and will prolly live again, in Latin America somewhere as well. Living and working in those places, when you work and experience day to day life you learn a lot. Just like posters on here know a lot about their hometowns and such.

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I think that what is released will have to do with the CIA operations there more than anything.

I also think that we will probably see some intelligence failures similar to 9/11 where the CIA didnt communicate LHO information to the FBI. I think we also see a lot more ineptitude from them in general where they should have known things and just didn't or didn't follow up on it.

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I think it's going to be more like this too. Which really makes me wonder why the cover-up for 60 years. We really just trying to conceal ineptitude? Any smoking gun has long been disposed of.

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Could be several reasons and I am sure I am missing some

• Conceal ineptitude
• Conceal maybe had reason/opportunity to stop LHO
• Conceal maybe they knew that LHO shot at General Walker (Happened in April, Mexico trip was Sept/Oct)
• Conceal how much and how we were spying on Mexico, Russia, and Cuba
• Conceal assets in Mexico/Cuba/Russia.
• Conceal spying methods
• Conceal illegal operations

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Wait, you are the expert are you not?

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I've never claimed to be an expert.

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There is no way to know exactly what is in the documents that no private citizen has been able to read. This should be a very self evident answer for anyone. How exactly would you expect me to know what is in thousands of pages of documents I have never read and have never been declassified?

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while equating my having questions makes me "Kamala Harris brain salad' in your judgment?


(Took great offense to that but restrained from responding until you said that.)

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Go back and reread your posts. This one also qualifies.

LOL. Capitulation. Like it. Even a jury would get that one.

I forgive you.