Or maybe not?W00chang said:
maybe this was the last straw?
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/21/nx-s1-5371312/trump-white-house-pete-hegseth-defense-department
Is this the same NPR that claimed Hegseth would not get the votes to be confirmed as SECDEF?W00chang said:
maybe this was the last straw?
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/21/nx-s1-5371312/trump-white-house-pete-hegseth-defense-department
That is an important distinction. If you can point out a previous comment by an individual that's at odds with what they are now arguing, that is pointing out hypocrisy.Logos Stick said:annie88 said:Pumpkinhead said:annie88 said:
Were you just as upset when Jill Biden ran presidential meetings?
Yep, I think Biden was clearly unfit mentally as a POTUS.
But that would be an entirely separate topic from opining whether Pete Hegseth is competent as a SECDEF. A 'Whatsboutism' rabbit hole.
I knew you come back with that, but since we don't know exactly what happened yet. Why don't we see what actually happened?
Also, the Democrats didn't seem to have a problem with Joe Biden, running meetings.
I just wish the libs understood the term whataboutism. They use it all the time but haven't a clue what it means. Pointing out hypocrisy is not whataboutism.
NPR is just putting out fake news again.W00chang said:
maybe this was the last straw?
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/21/nx-s1-5371312/trump-white-house-pete-hegseth-defense-department
I often feel the same way about the right. We are probably more alike than either of us would care to admit.annie88 said:
it absolutely is, but the left doesn't think like that. They get mad when facts are thrown in their faces and they are being hypocritical, which is pretty much about everything.
I don't think it's thread derailing. It's still dealing with the topic, but how people are changing their reactions based on who's an office. Completely fair game.
I don't believe that you believe the bold exists.Old McDonald said:it has nothing to do with biden, but whataboutism noted. there were any number of competent conservatives with pentagon leadership experience trump could have selected for this role and instead he chose a brown-nosing fox host.mslags97 said:Old McDonald said:
this is what happens when you malign competence and experience as "swamp" and substitute it for sycophants and brown nosers
Is this supposed to be sarcasm? Because anyone trying to say there was any semblance of competence with the Biden/harris catastrophe of an administration needs to be admitted to a mental hospital.
Sorry, but in today's political climate, the attempt to hold an opponent accountable for the same type of action that resulted in your silence regarding an ally, is ALSO pointing out hypocricy. One could argue that a question of semantics regarding whataboutism it itself a thread derail.esteban said:That is an important distinction. If you can point out a previous comment by an individual that's at odds with what they are now arguing, that is pointing out hypocrisy.Logos Stick said:annie88 said:Pumpkinhead said:annie88 said:
Were you just as upset when Jill Biden ran presidential meetings?
Yep, I think Biden was clearly unfit mentally as a POTUS.
But that would be an entirely separate topic from opining whether Pete Hegseth is competent as a SECDEF. A 'Whatsboutism' rabbit hole.
I knew you come back with that, but since we don't know exactly what happened yet. Why don't we see what actually happened?
Also, the Democrats didn't seem to have a problem with Joe Biden, running meetings.
I just wish the libs understood the term whataboutism. They use it all the time but haven't a clue what it means. Pointing out hypocrisy is not whataboutism.
Whataboutism is the art of deflecting the conversation by assuming the person you're debating held another position on another topic at some point in the past.
If someone makes a claim about Trump, I think it's fair game to bring up their previous positions about Biden. But to simply deflect the conversation to Biden without demonstrating any hypocrisy is whataboutism. I could also call it thread derailing.
This is what gives me pause more than anything.2000AgPhD said:
Can anyone confirm that the Pentagon has dumped Signal, or are they still using it? This story is five weeks old. Funny how it didn't come out until somebody got shown the door.
Over/under, I give him until the end of next week. May 2nd.richardag said:Or maybe not?W00chang said:
maybe this was the last straw?
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/21/nx-s1-5371312/trump-white-house-pete-hegseth-defense-department
quote from the articleI know the history of NPR spewing bull***** Hoping Karoline Leavitt isn't.
- White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt denied that there's an effort to replace Hegseth, posting on X that President Trump "stands strongly" behind him.
In this case, it's an allegation of activity that happened 6 weeks ago. Effectively just a laundering of the same old charge. Nothing new has happened. No classified info has been released. All that is different is some people have been fired.Quote:
This is what gives me pause more than anything.
This reads almost exactly like crap I had to deal with in my previous work life where somebody would do something stupid on a jobsite, get fired, then immediately call OSHA and file all kinds of complaints and make accusations about everything being done against regs, etc.
OSHA would show up and quickly realize that the complaints were all garbage from a disgruntled former employee.
torrid said:
Over/under, I give him until the end of next week. May 2nd.
Ellis Wyatt said:In this case, it's an allegation of activity that happened 6 weeks ago. Effectively just a laundering of the same old charge. Nothing new has happened. No classified info has been released. All that is different is some people have been fired.Quote:
This is what gives me pause more than anything.
This reads almost exactly like crap I had to deal with in my previous work life where somebody would do something stupid on a jobsite, get fired, then immediately call OSHA and file all kinds of complaints and make accusations about everything being done against regs, etc.
OSHA would show up and quickly realize that the complaints were all garbage from a disgruntled former employee.
I also thought Elon was leaving a few weeks agolcraggie said:Is this the same NPR that claimed Hegseth would not get the votes to be confirmed as SECDEF?W00chang said:
maybe this was the last straw?
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/21/nx-s1-5371312/trump-white-house-pete-hegseth-defense-department
Fair enough. And if Hegseth were to do something stupid that actually results in the death of servicemen, he will be rightfully removed from his position.Pumpkinhead said:
I don't have enough facts personally to advocate firing Hegseth.
What I have previously opined more or less is that IF (emphasis on IF) Hegseth was making verified mistakes that would typically get lower ranking Pentagon staff demoted or fired then you would have to strongly consider firing him. A leader has to be held to the same standard as everyone else to effectively lead everyone else.
Since I am not privy to exactly what the standard fireable offenses are when working at the Pentagon, nor know for sure what he has or has not done, I cannot jump on a 'Fire Him' bandwagon.
That said, Accusations like chatting work related stuff on a personal cell phone, having wife in Pentagon meetings, being a bit blabby on inappropriate chat apps, one of his handpicked deputies recently being kicked out of the Pentagon for 'leaks', those sort of accusations and events do make me curious about his situation and behaviors, but I would want to know more.
To me, this feels like when Athletic Directors make a statement say they have full confidence in their head coach and then fire him a week later when they have found a suitable replacement.richardag said:Or maybe not?W00chang said:
maybe this was the last straw?
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/21/nx-s1-5371312/trump-white-house-pete-hegseth-defense-department
quote from the articleI know the history of NPR spewing bull***** Hoping Karoline Leavitt isn't.
- White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt denied that there's an effort to replace Hegseth, posting on X that President Trump "stands strongly" behind him.
Except that in no world is NPR a news source.Quote:
To me, this feels like when Athletic Directors make a statement say they have full confidence in their head coach and then fire him a week later when they have found a suitable replacement.
Pumpkinhead said:
I don't have enough facts personally to advocate firing Hegseth.
What I have previously opined more or less is that IF (emphasis on IF) Hegseth was making verified mistakes that would typically get lower ranking Pentagon staff demoted or fired then you would have to strongly consider firing him. A leader has to be held to the same standard as everyone else to effectively lead everyone else.
Since I am not privy to exactly what the standard fireable offenses are when working at the Pentagon, nor know for sure what he has or has not done, I cannot jump on a 'Fire Him' bandwagon.
That said, Accusations like chatting work related stuff on a personal cell phone, having wife in Pentagon meetings, being a bit blabby on inappropriate chat apps, one of his handpicked deputies recently being kicked out of the Pentagon for 'leaks', those sort of accusations and events do make me curious about his situation and behaviors, but I would want to know more.
We don't know if either of those are true.rootube said:Pumpkinhead said:
I don't have enough facts personally to advocate firing Hegseth.
What I have previously opined more or less is that IF (emphasis on IF) Hegseth was making verified mistakes that would typically get lower ranking Pentagon staff demoted or fired then you would have to strongly consider firing him. A leader has to be held to the same standard as everyone else to effectively lead everyone else.
Since I am not privy to exactly what the standard fireable offenses are when working at the Pentagon, nor know for sure what he has or has not done, I cannot jump on a 'Fire Him' bandwagon.
That said, Accusations like chatting work related stuff on a personal cell phone, having wife in Pentagon meetings, being a bit blabby on inappropriate chat apps, one of his handpicked deputies recently being kicked out of the Pentagon for 'leaks', those sort of accusations and events do make me curious about his situation and behaviors, but I would want to know more.
Here's what we do know.
Hegseth blabbers about Yemen strike details prior to strike with a reporter on the chat
When the story breaks he calls the reporter a liar and an example of fake news at the same time the WH is confirming it to be true and accurate.
He goes on a warpath and fires his close staffers that he personally handpicked ~90 days ago.
The story breaks from his close now former advisors that the pentagon is in complete disarray and that he has another friends and family chat where he shares sensitive confidential data.
In a carbon copy of his original denial that turned out to be false he blames and discredits disgruntled employees.
The WH spokesperson comes out to support him saying he is cleaning up corruption. Again by firing his own handpicked STAFF who just started at the pentagon.
This is reaching hilarious goal tending levels for Hegseth. I don't get it.
This is not even mentioning the private briefing he was allegedly planning for Elon Musk that was supposedly to include war planning contingency for China. That allegedly Trump had to call and stop immediately.
rootube said:Pumpkinhead said:
I don't have enough facts personally to advocate firing Hegseth.
What I have previously opined more or less is that IF (emphasis on IF) Hegseth was making verified mistakes that would typically get lower ranking Pentagon staff demoted or fired then you would have to strongly consider firing him. A leader has to be held to the same standard as everyone else to effectively lead everyone else.
Since I am not privy to exactly what the standard fireable offenses are when working at the Pentagon, nor know for sure what he has or has not done, I cannot jump on a 'Fire Him' bandwagon.
That said, Accusations like chatting work related stuff on a personal cell phone, having wife in Pentagon meetings, being a bit blabby on inappropriate chat apps, one of his handpicked deputies recently being kicked out of the Pentagon for 'leaks', those sort of accusations and events do make me curious about his situation and behaviors, but I would want to know more.
Here's what we do know.
Hegseth blabbers about Yemen strike details prior to strike with a reporter on the chat
When the story breaks he calls the reporter a liar and an example of fake news at the same time the WH is confirming it to be true and accurate.
He goes on a warpath and fires his close staffers that he personally handpicked ~90 days ago.
The story breaks from his close now former advisors that the pentagon is in complete disarray and that he has another friends and family chat where he shares sensitive confidential data.
In a carbon copy of his original denial that turned out to be false he blames and discredits disgruntled employees.
The WH spokesperson comes out to support him saying he is cleaning up corruption. Again by firing his own handpicked STAFF who just started at the pentagon.
This is reaching hilarious goal tending levels for Hegseth. I don't get it.
This is not even mentioning the private briefing he was allegedly planning for Elon Musk that was supposedly to include war planning contingency for China. That allegedly Trump had to call and stop immediately.
dmart90 said:
IF this is true, Pete is a f****** moron.
mslags97 said:rootube said:Pumpkinhead said:
I don't have enough facts personally to advocate firing Hegseth.
What I have previously opined more or less is that IF (emphasis on IF) Hegseth was making verified mistakes that would typically get lower ranking Pentagon staff demoted or fired then you would have to strongly consider firing him. A leader has to be held to the same standard as everyone else to effectively lead everyone else.
Since I am not privy to exactly what the standard fireable offenses are when working at the Pentagon, nor know for sure what he has or has not done, I cannot jump on a 'Fire Him' bandwagon.
That said, Accusations like chatting work related stuff on a personal cell phone, having wife in Pentagon meetings, being a bit blabby on inappropriate chat apps, one of his handpicked deputies recently being kicked out of the Pentagon for 'leaks', those sort of accusations and events do make me curious about his situation and behaviors, but I would want to know more.
Here's what we do know.
Hegseth blabbers about Yemen strike details prior to strike with a reporter on the chat
When the story breaks he calls the reporter a liar and an example of fake news at the same time the WH is confirming it to be true and accurate.
He goes on a warpath and fires his close staffers that he personally handpicked ~90 days ago.
The story breaks from his close now former advisors that the pentagon is in complete disarray and that he has another friends and family chat where he shares sensitive confidential data.
In a carbon copy of his original denial that turned out to be false he blames and discredits disgruntled employees.
The WH spokesperson comes out to support him saying he is cleaning up corruption. Again by firing his own handpicked STAFF who just started at the pentagon.
This is reaching hilarious goal tending levels for Hegseth. I don't get it.
This is not even mentioning the private briefing he was allegedly planning for Elon Musk that was supposedly to include war planning contingency for China. That allegedly Trump had to call and stop immediately.
Whole lot of trust and assumptions made based on NYT reporting. You know the same group that said the Hunter laptop was a Russian hoax. Yeah, they always get it right.
Best to back this sort of blanket machine gunning of your fellow posters with adequate data support.Central Committee said:
Same group on this forum attacking the SecDef are the same ones who were fine with General Milley committing overt acts of treason by reassuring the ChiComs he would let them know if China was under attack from the U.S. and the same ones who thought Lloyd Austin was competent at, well, anything.
Can't just hit and run like that!And now...rootube said:mslags97 said:rootube said:Pumpkinhead said:
I don't have enough facts personally to advocate firing Hegseth.
What I have previously opined more or less is that IF (emphasis on IF) Hegseth was making verified mistakes that would typically get lower ranking Pentagon staff demoted or fired then you would have to strongly consider firing him. A leader has to be held to the same standard as everyone else to effectively lead everyone else.
Since I am not privy to exactly what the standard fireable offenses are when working at the Pentagon, nor know for sure what he has or has not done, I cannot jump on a 'Fire Him' bandwagon.
That said, Accusations like chatting work related stuff on a personal cell phone, having wife in Pentagon meetings, being a bit blabby on inappropriate chat apps, one of his handpicked deputies recently being kicked out of the Pentagon for 'leaks', those sort of accusations and events do make me curious about his situation and behaviors, but I would want to know more.
Here's what we do know.
Hegseth blabbers about Yemen strike details prior to strike with a reporter on the chat
When the story breaks he calls the reporter a liar and an example of fake news at the same time the WH is confirming it to be true and accurate.
He goes on a warpath and fires his close staffers that he personally handpicked ~90 days ago.
The story breaks from his close now former advisors that the pentagon is in complete disarray and that he has another friends and family chat where he shares sensitive confidential data.
In a carbon copy of his original denial that turned out to be false he blames and discredits disgruntled employees.
The WH spokesperson comes out to support him saying he is cleaning up corruption. Again by firing his own handpicked STAFF who just started at the pentagon.
This is reaching hilarious goal tending levels for Hegseth. I don't get it.
This is not even mentioning the private briefing he was allegedly planning for Elon Musk that was supposedly to include war planning contingency for China. That allegedly Trump had to call and stop immediately.
Whole lot of trust and assumptions made based on NYT reporting. You know the same group that said the Hunter laptop was a Russian hoax. Yeah, they always get it right.
You have to admit he is a hell of a lot less credible considering his interview where he called the Atlantic reporter a liar and called it fake news only to be confirmed at basically the same time by the WH.
dmart90 said:
IF this is true, Pete is a f****** moron.
this is obviously untrue, considering hegseth himself is the poster child of DEI hiresjrdaustin said:
And brown-nosing fox host ad hominem aside, we both know why Hegseth was chosen... To clean out the political riff raff that allowed mission drift of the Pentagon as a whole from a fighting force to a DEI experience.
He's doing that. And we're seeing the expected whining as a result.
