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you think he just had all of that memorized? Multiple news sources which we can all agree are fake…but I do wonder where he could have possibly got that detailed timeline from.

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Cite who the leaker is.

Alexander Vindman told us all sorts of things Trump said on a phone call with Ukraine...that he didn't actually say.

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the actual report in the NY Times stated "some" of what General Kurilla had sent to Hegseth was then texted by Hegseth in the Signal chat.

meaning it could have been simply "we just hit Yemen 5 minutes ago"

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Interesting. I just went over the OP, and the link to the article from the Independent. There is no concrete timeline of this second Signal chat. The NYT simply stated "upcoming military strike" on March 15th, the day of the strike. There was a second note that the source stated that Hegseth did this at "approximately" the same time as the original SignalGate texts.

Lot of wiggle room there. So was that 2 hours before the strike?, 15 minutes before the strike?, while the planes were in the air?, or... After the strike was completed?

We're left to conjecture based upon 3 words, and the word "approximately" in the article.

I've seen this playbook before.

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I'm just wondering what his wife texted back. "Great job, hon!"….my wife would have asked me why she should care about this stuff.

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Is your wife an active producer/journalist in the political realm?

That's what's so crazy about this. The communication was secure. People can gripe about Signal all they want, but until this episode, it was an approved method of secure communication within the government.

So are Hegseth's wife and brother security risks? Aparently not, though information still does seem to be leaking from the Pentagon like a seive. Hegseth's wife and brother leak nothing, but THEY'RE the problem.

Do you get how asinine this sounds?

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Alexander Vindman told us all sorts of things Trump said on a phone call with Ukraine...that he didn't actually say.

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We don't know the name of the individual…but it sure reads like something a Combatant Commander would send to a SECDEF as an operational update over a secure system.

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the actual report in the NY Times stated "some" of what General Kurilla had sent to Hegseth was then texted by Hegseth in the Signal chat.

meaning it could have been simply "we just hit Yemen 5 minutes ago"

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Interesting. I just went over the OP, and the link to the article from the Independent. There is no concrete timeline of this second Signal chat. The NYT simply stated "upcoming military strike" on March 15th, the day of the strike. There was a second note that the source stated that Hegseth did this at "approximately" the same time as the original SignalGate texts.

Lot of wiggle room there. So was that 2 hours before the strike?, 15 minutes before the strike?, while the planes were in the air?, or... After the strike was completed?

We're left to conjecture based upon 3 words, and the word "approximately" in the article.

I've seen this playbook before.

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I'm just wondering what his wife texted back. "Great job, hon!"….my wife would have asked me why she should care about this stuff.

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Is your wife an active producer/journalist in the political realm?

That's what's so crazy about this. The communication was secure. People can gripe about Signal all they want, but until this episode, it was an approved method of secure communication within the government.

So are Hegseth's wife and brother security risks? Aparently not, though information still does seem to be leaking from the Pentagon like a seive. Hegseth's wife and brother leak nothing, but THEY'RE the problem.

Do you get how asinine this sounds?

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It is not an approved system for classified information. Everyone who has ever had a clearance would agree it was at least SECRET…we will find out at some point what the classification was when Gen Kurilla sent the update to Pete.

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the actual report in the NY Times stated "some" of what General Kurilla had sent to Hegseth was then texted by Hegseth in the Signal chat.

meaning it could have been simply "we just hit Yemen 5 minutes ago"

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Interesting. I just went over the OP, and the link to the article from the Independent. There is no concrete timeline of this second Signal chat. The NYT simply stated "upcoming military strike" on March 15th, the day of the strike. There was a second note that the source stated that Hegseth did this at "approximately" the same time as the original SignalGate texts.

Lot of wiggle room there. So was that 2 hours before the strike?, 15 minutes before the strike?, while the planes were in the air?, or... After the strike was completed?

We're left to conjecture based upon 3 words, and the word "approximately" in the article.

I've seen this playbook before.

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I'm just wondering what his wife texted back. "Great job, hon!"….my wife would have asked me why she should care about this stuff.

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Is your wife an active producer/journalist in the political realm?

That's what's so crazy about this. The communication was secure. People can gripe about Signal all they want, but until this episode, it was an approved method of secure communication within the government.

So are Hegseth's wife and brother security risks? Aparently not, though information still does seem to be leaking from the Pentagon like a seive. Hegseth's wife and brother leak nothing, but THEY'RE the problem.

Do you get how asinine this sounds?

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the fact that the SECDEF wrote classified material on an unclassified system in and of itself, is not classified…that's not a leak

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the actual report in the NY Times stated "some" of what General Kurilla had sent to Hegseth was then texted by Hegseth in the Signal chat.

meaning it could have been simply "we just hit Yemen 5 minutes ago"

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Interesting. I just went over the OP, and the link to the article from the Independent. There is no concrete timeline of this second Signal chat. The NYT simply stated "upcoming military strike" on March 15th, the day of the strike. There was a second note that the source stated that Hegseth did this at "approximately" the same time as the original SignalGate texts.

Lot of wiggle room there. So was that 2 hours before the strike?, 15 minutes before the strike?, while the planes were in the air?, or... After the strike was completed?

We're left to conjecture based upon 3 words, and the word "approximately" in the article.

I've seen this playbook before.

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I'm just wondering what his wife texted back. "Great job, hon!"….my wife would have asked me why she should care about this stuff.

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Is your wife an active producer/journalist in the political realm?

That's what's so crazy about this. The communication was secure. People can gripe about Signal all they want, but until this episode, it was an approved method of secure communication within the government.

So are Hegseth's wife and brother security risks? Aparently not, though information still does seem to be leaking from the Pentagon like a seive. Hegseth's wife and brother leak nothing, but THEY'RE the problem.

Do you get how asinine this sounds?

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the fact that the SECDEF wrote classified material on an unclassified system in and of itself, is not classified…that's not a leak

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I get that. But you cannot say that individuals at the Pentagon have NOT leaked classified information to the media in the past. That is my point.

There was no leak to the media (outside of the Atlantic reporter snooping on the original thread). And to the extent that using Signal was a bone-headed move in this engagement, this is simply a bootstrap on to the original event - which I am sure will not happen again.

To me, this is another flavor of stacking charges of the same accounting practice that was done a consistent way over a year into 13 separate felonies. SignalGate2 happened concurrently - allegedly - with SignalGate1, which has been litigated in the media and resolved. So this is just another bite at the same apple.

If it happens again, we'll talk.

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Ah, so believable. Like Trump grabbing the steering wheel of the limo.

Got it.

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this is what happens when you malign competence and experience as "swamp" and substitute it for sycophants and brown nosers

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Is this supposed to be sarcasm? Because anyone trying to say there was any semblance of competence with the Biden/harris catastrophe of an administration needs to be admitted to a mental hospital.

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it has nothing to do with biden, but whataboutism noted. there were any number of competent conservatives with pentagon leadership experience trump could have selected for this role and instead he chose a brown-nosing fox host.

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No, any O-5 from Army or Navy SOF would have been an upgrade to the platoon commander we currently have.

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Is this supposed to be sarcasm? Because anyone trying to say there was any semblance of competence with the Biden/harris catastrophe of an administration needs to be admitted to a mental hospital.

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it has nothing to do with biden, but whataboutism noted. there were any number of competent conservatives with pentagon leadership experience trump could have selected for this role and instead he chose a brown-nosing fox host.

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No, any O-5 from Army or Navy SOF would have been an upgrade to the platoon commander we currently have.

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Huh...seems a few O-5's and O-6's have made the news lately for being insubordinate or flat out stupid. So no, plenty of field and flag officers that would not be an upgrade.

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it has nothing to do with biden, but whataboutism noted. there were any number of competent conservatives with pentagon leadership experience trump could have selected for this role and instead he chose a brown-nosing fox host.

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You really mean their are numerous neocon flunkies' that you lefties would have been happy for Trump to appoint. Pretending this is anything but an ideological attack from the necon circle jerk and their friends in the leftist's media echo clamber is a joke,

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No, any O-5 from Army or Navy SOF would have been an upgrade to the platoon commander we currently have.

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What about the fools that identify as Army or Navy SOF?

Not to get too off track here, buts it's amazing that even with Trump in office, we know nothing about the PA shooter. (Lack of info on FL is understandable, DoJ has a case to present and build so would want to keep a lid on lots of it)

Makes you wonder if Team Trump is keeping a few of these sorts of news bombs for a time where he needs to distract, derail the news cycle.

There was a bit on Routh a couple of weeks ago.

Hell, I still want to know the truth about the DePape-Pelosi Bromance and who was in Pauls car when he got pulled over for driving drunk right before.

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Yes.

Do you know that when you state "No, any O-5" and then claim that you didn't state "I didn't say any O-5" that you're incorrect in your statement. Even if you put a "qualifier" on the statement.

BTW, how many O-5/6 Army/Navy SOF have been SecDef?

I've spent 13 years in the Army.

They sent me to John's Hopkins to get a graduate degree in DC.

I feel more ******ed after I left than when I first started there.

I watch YouTube for my history lessons instead. And it's free.

BYW, for those of you worried about China and Russia, they're ******ed beyond all belief. Watching them try and solve a problem is comparable to a monkey trying to nail a hammer to a head.

They're incredibly unintelligent people.

Bidens and Clintons have been paid by Russia and China, yet the useful idiots laugh at seriously unfunny memes of Hegserh with Putin and Xi

I like Tucker as an independent interviewer/journalist but this one is just…a tad over the top.

This 25 year old (hired as a glorified secretary) wasn't keeping us from going to war with Iran, and he shouldn't have leaked anything. His career in politics is over, unless he flips to the commie team.

Sleight of hand here is pretty obvious. Tucker asks Caldwell if he leaked *classified* info, not if he leaked info.

FYI: Hegseth personally fired Caldwell for leaking. Tucker has received leaks re the topics in their conversation.

Not hard to figure out what's going on here. https://t.co/SkpEIppGRk

— Jordan Schachtel (@JordanSchachtel) April 21, 2025

Idiot.

This scandal doesn't even have kiddie pool depth to it. It's stupid.

The clowns keep trying to make "Fetch" happen. And the same dullards lap it up every time.

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How ironic. Biden was literally being paid by China. You voted for him.

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Yes.

Do you know that when you state "No, any O-5" and then claim that you didn't state "I didn't say any O-5" that you're incorrect in your statement. Even if you put a "qualifier" on the statement.

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we're on a message board. I make a statement with a strong qualifier, you choose to ignore it, and then claim I'm making a point that I am not. No, not just any military O-5 would work, but I would argue most from the special forces community at the O-5 level would be an upgrade over Pete. Ignoring qualifiers - seems to be the theme here.

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These threads are always interesting to me.

Rather than discuss the topic at hand, the same posters consistently deflect to what the other side did. Why not discuss the subject at hand?

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Because they can't have any rational thoughts. Easier to project and make accusations than factually support an idea or belief.

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These threads are always interesting to me.

Rather than discuss the topic at hand, the same posters consistently deflect to what the other side did. Why not discuss the subject at hand?

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because there is no subject at hand. It was fake news!

Literally reminds me of my sister and brother growing up. My brother would get in trouble and immediately say to my dad, "well you know what sister did?"

Well, when only one side is ever held to account, it's pretty disingenuous to pretend to be outraged. I'm all for both sides being equally scrutinized.

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I like Tucker as an independent interviewer/journalist but this one is just…a tad over the top.

This 25 year old (hired as a glorified secretary) wasn't keeping us from going to war with Iran, and he shouldn't have leaked anything. His career in politics is over, unless he flips to the commie team.


Idiot.

This scandal doesn't even have kiddie pool depth to it. It's stupid.

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I could see him doing just that. Lots of money to be made flipping.

What a dummy.

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Well, when only one side is ever held to account, it's pretty disingenuous to pretend to be outraged. I'm all for both sides being equally scrutinized.

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And that's what chaps my ***. Democraps have been getting away with literal murder for decades with barely any of them being held to account, much less prosecuted. It was refreshing to see Bob Menendez prosecuted for taking bribes, but he's just the tip of the iceberg.

I'd say there's somewhere in the realm of 10-20% of "Republicans" who are actually Rinos who need investigating just as badly as 75-85% of Democraps. The Rinos are liars to begin with so it's not much of a stretch for them to be downright crooked. And I'm all for everyone of the crooked sobs, democrap and rino, being investigated/ prosecuted.

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Well, when only one side is ever held to account, it's pretty disingenuous to pretend to be outraged. I'm all for both sides being equally scrutinized.

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Russia gate
Hunter's Laptop
"Suckers and Losers"
Some good people on both sides
Grabbed the steering wheel
Vindman on a call he wasn't even on
Joe is sharp as a tack, working circles around us
Anything related to Covid
Illegal immigration numbers and policies and the President can't do anything about it, Congress needs to act


It goes on and on and on. I'd like for there to be some substance to the conversations from both sides but they are not starting from equal footing so it's kind of hard to not constantly deflect.