Massie introduces petition to force vote for full release of Epstein files

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1. That's not what people are asking for.
2. The reason anyone is asking for anything is because the justice system is turning a blind eye.
3. Many other cases of similar crimes are prosecuted and evidence is presented in the appropriate manner so there is no excuse for the justice department not to fulfill its duty.
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GenericAggie said:

If this is all made up, why is Gislaine in jail and why is her black book not public?

These are fair questions


Because she committed numerous felonies regardless of the scope of her actions, and all of the trafficking charges for which she was convicted were directly linked to Epstein personally. This is such a bizarre talking point from the conspiratorial wing of the Republican Party right now. Epstein was a serial sex offender and his actions were facilitated by Maxwell.

The "black book" was a a contact list of various people he abused, most notably young girls who gave him "massages". The book was shown to jurors at her trial. Numerous people who have seen the book, including at least two jurors and numerous law enforcement officers in various agencies, have said this and denied that it contained any list of others participating in the abuse or having girls trafficked to them. The book isn't public becomes it contains the personal information of numerous victims of abhorrent sexual abuse.
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There is something here…Buried…connection to mossad, dirt on elites…something buried that Trump thought it was worth it to bury despite the rhetoric.
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Ag with kids said:

Dafuq is giving the right such a huge chubbie over this Epstein *****

It is the most useless thing in any of Trump's promises...

Trump just got the SCOTUS go-ahead to start gutting the Dept. of Education. And MAGA goes BUT EPSTEIN!!!!!!!

And the left and the media is drooling over this new chance to split the MAGA coalition...

JFC...the right couldn't stop stepping on their own dick even if they didn't have feet.


I know this may be a difficult concept for some of you guys to understand, but the rest of us believe we ought to have a government we can trust at the very least to do what they themselves say they're going to do. We also believe in the now long-forgotten ideas of justice and equal treatment under the law, and we deserve a government that lives up to those ideas, or is then held accountable when it not only fails to do so, but lies to the people they serve. We believe in these principles regardless of which party is in power.
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f1ghtintexasaggie said:

Ag with kids said:

Dafuq is giving the right such a huge chubbie over this Epstein *****

It is the most useless thing in any of Trump's promises...

Trump just got the SCOTUS go-ahead to start gutting the Dept. of Education. And MAGA goes BUT EPSTEIN!!!!!!!

And the left and the media is drooling over this new chance to split the MAGA coalition...

JFC...the right couldn't stop stepping on their own dick even if they didn't have feet.


I know this may be a difficult concept for some of you guys to understand, but the rest of us believe we ought to have a government we can trust at the very least to do what they themselves say they're going to do. We also believe in the now long-forgotten ideas of justice and equal treatment under the law, and we deserve a government that lives up to those ideas, or is then held accountable when it not only fails to do so, but lies to the people they serve. We believe in these principles regardless of which party is in power.

I also agree with that.

BUT...if THIS is one of your highest priorities, then you are completely missing the forest for the trees...


But, you do you. And tilt at those windmills...
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In the list of things we suspect our government is lying about, Epstein files is in the same conspiracy area as UFOs.

People want to know but they are not going to stop their lives over it.

I would be much more interested in understanding the Trump assassination attempts, who ran Biden, and who is in Soros black book.

Epstein is where he belongs. Maxwell could do the right thing but she seems to have struggled with that her whole life.
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Why are so many people willing to allow wealthy, powerful child rapists to get away with it?

Serious question. We're now averting our gaze from that?
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f1ghtintexasaggie said:

Ag with kids said:

Dafuq is giving the right such a huge chubbie over this Epstein *****

It is the most useless thing in any of Trump's promises...

Trump just got the SCOTUS go-ahead to start gutting the Dept. of Education. And MAGA goes BUT EPSTEIN!!!!!!!

And the left and the media is drooling over this new chance to split the MAGA coalition...

JFC...the right couldn't stop stepping on their own dick even if they didn't have feet.


I know this may be a difficult concept for some of you guys to understand, but the rest of us believe we ought to have a government we can trust at the very least to do what they themselves say they're going to do. We also believe in the now long-forgotten ideas of justice and equal treatment under the law, and we deserve a government that lives up to those ideas, or is then held accountable when it not only fails to do so, but lies to the people they serve. We believe in these principles regardless of which party is in power.


But what if they aren't lying?

What if instead Epstein was just a sociopathic rapist who also happened to exist on a rung of the social ladder that placed him in the midst of a bunch of wealthy famous people?

There is not one shred of actual evidence presented to date that he had anyone trafficked to anybody but himself. Everything else was always circumstantial and largely a product of the social connections he had by virtue of his position in society.

At some point when enough people tell you there's nothing there, including now people who have A LOT to lose politically by doing so, maybe they aren't all in on the cover up. The idea that guys like Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are covering up a child rape ring on a global scale, after being all in on that theory for years and standing to be irreversibly harmed amongst their supporters, is just absurd on its face. That's far, far more unbelievable than the claim that Epstein wasn't having girls sent to powerful people.
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Ag with kids said:

f1ghtintexasaggie said:

Ag with kids said:

Dafuq is giving the right such a huge chubbie over this Epstein *****

It is the most useless thing in any of Trump's promises...

Trump just got the SCOTUS go-ahead to start gutting the Dept. of Education. And MAGA goes BUT EPSTEIN!!!!!!!

And the left and the media is drooling over this new chance to split the MAGA coalition...

JFC...the right couldn't stop stepping on their own dick even if they didn't have feet.


I know this may be a difficult concept for some of you guys to understand, but the rest of us believe we ought to have a government we can trust at the very least to do what they themselves say they're going to do. We also believe in the now long-forgotten ideas of justice and equal treatment under the law, and we deserve a government that lives up to those ideas, or is then held accountable when it not only fails to do so, but lies to the people they serve. We believe in these principles regardless of which party is in power.

I also agree with that.

BUT...if THIS is one of your highest priorities, then you are completely missing the forest for the trees...


But, you do you. And tilt at those windmills...



By your own admission, then, this is low priority, and yet the government refuses to be straight with the American people. What do you expect them to do when something truly high on that priority list comes up that they would rather sweep under the rug? If they will lie about something so "insignificant," they will surely lie about something more significant without batting an eye.
f1ghtintexasaggie
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Then it shouldn't be an issue to release everything they do have, minus the obviously illegal-to-disseminate CP?
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Infection_Ag11 said:

f1ghtintexasaggie said:

Ag with kids said:

Dafuq is giving the right such a huge chubbie over this Epstein *****

It is the most useless thing in any of Trump's promises...

Trump just got the SCOTUS go-ahead to start gutting the Dept. of Education. And MAGA goes BUT EPSTEIN!!!!!!!

And the left and the media is drooling over this new chance to split the MAGA coalition...

JFC...the right couldn't stop stepping on their own dick even if they didn't have feet.


I know this may be a difficult concept for some of you guys to understand, but the rest of us believe we ought to have a government we can trust at the very least to do what they themselves say they're going to do. We also believe in the now long-forgotten ideas of justice and equal treatment under the law, and we deserve a government that lives up to those ideas, or is then held accountable when it not only fails to do so, but lies to the people they serve. We believe in these principles regardless of which party is in power.


But what if they aren't lying?

What if instead Epstein was just a sociopathic rapist who also happened to exist on a rung of the social ladder that placed him in the midst of a bunch of wealthy famous people?

There is not one shred of actual evidence presented to date that he had anyone trafficked to anybody but himself. Everything else was always circumstantial and largely a product of the social connections he had by virtue of his position in society.

At some point when enough people tell you there's nothing there, including now people who have A LOT to lose politically by doing so, maybe they aren't all in on the cover up. The idea that guys like Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are covering up a child rape ring on a global scale, after being all in on that theory for years and standing to be irreversibly harmed amongst their supporters, is just absurd on its face. That's far, far more unbelievable than the claim that Epstein wasn't having girls sent to powerful people.
It's definitely possible that there isn't more to the story, but I'd think they'd put forward something more conclusive to demonstrate that.

Prior to working for the government, Bongino and Patel were both extremely skeptical of the Epstein stuff. They seemed convinced that there was more to the story. Trump, his son, Vance, and others in his admin stoked the flames of this story and made it out to seem like a massive conspiracy.

Bondi said she had the list on her desk months ago, and now the list doesn't exist.

They make a big show out of releasing documents and having influencers at the White House.

When Epstein died, there wasn't any footage from the jail, all the cameras were down. Now, years later, footage exists! They release it and it's doctored and missing at least a minute.

On top of that, the most convincing stuff the administration has put forward essentially amounts to "trust me bro" and "stop talking about it."

They hyped this up on the campaign trail, in interviews, on social media, and by making a big show of inviting influencers to the White House.

When our government has lied to us about our involvement in other countries, wars, opioids being safe, COVID, etc., why should we just take them at their word here?
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f1ghtintexasaggie said:

Then it shouldn't be an issue to release everything they do have, minus the obviously illegal-to-disseminate CP?


Let's say they did, how many currently chastising them would relent or admit they were wrong? I propose that number is exceedingly small, bordering on non-existent. The old joke about the conspiracy theorist meeting god and realizing how high up the conspiracy goes comes to mind.

We've entered the realm of religion and unfalsifiability on this topic for many.
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Zachary Klement said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

f1ghtintexasaggie said:

Ag with kids said:

Dafuq is giving the right such a huge chubbie over this Epstein *****

It is the most useless thing in any of Trump's promises...

Trump just got the SCOTUS go-ahead to start gutting the Dept. of Education. And MAGA goes BUT EPSTEIN!!!!!!!

And the left and the media is drooling over this new chance to split the MAGA coalition...

JFC...the right couldn't stop stepping on their own dick even if they didn't have feet.


I know this may be a difficult concept for some of you guys to understand, but the rest of us believe we ought to have a government we can trust at the very least to do what they themselves say they're going to do. We also believe in the now long-forgotten ideas of justice and equal treatment under the law, and we deserve a government that lives up to those ideas, or is then held accountable when it not only fails to do so, but lies to the people they serve. We believe in these principles regardless of which party is in power.


But what if they aren't lying?

What if instead Epstein was just a sociopathic rapist who also happened to exist on a rung of the social ladder that placed him in the midst of a bunch of wealthy famous people?

There is not one shred of actual evidence presented to date that he had anyone trafficked to anybody but himself. Everything else was always circumstantial and largely a product of the social connections he had by virtue of his position in society.

At some point when enough people tell you there's nothing there, including now people who have A LOT to lose politically by doing so, maybe they aren't all in on the cover up. The idea that guys like Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are covering up a child rape ring on a global scale, after being all in on that theory for years and standing to be irreversibly harmed amongst their supporters, is just absurd on its face. That's far, far more unbelievable than the claim that Epstein wasn't having girls sent to powerful people.
It's definitely possible that there isn't more to the story, but I'd think they'd put forward something more conclusive to demonstrate that.

Prior to working for the government, Bongino and Patel were both extremely skeptical of the Epstein stuff. They seemed convinced that there was more to the story. Trump, his son, Vance, and others in his admin stoked the flames of this story and made it out to seem like a massive conspiracy.

Bondi said she had the list on her desk months ago, and now the list doesn't exist.

They make a big show out of releasing documents and having influencers at the White House.

When Epstein died, there wasn't any footage from the jail, all the cameras were down. Now, years later, footage exists! They release it and it's doctored and missing at least a minute.

On top of that, the most convincing stuff the administration has put forward essentially amounts to "trust me bro" and "stop talking about it."

They hyped this up on the campaign trail, in interviews, on social media, and by making a big show of inviting influencers to the White House.

When our government has lied to us about our involvement in other countries, wars, opioids being safe, COVID, etc., why should we just take them at their word here?


At some point we need to consider the possibility that Pam Bondi is just an unqualified moron. Unfortunately, Trump is prone to placing people like that in positions of real consequence. And malice is almost never the answer when stupidity alone offers a valid explanation.
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And for perspective, the government kept THOUSANDS of documents and TENS OF MILLIONS of words classified for DECADES with respect to the JFK assassination and subsequent investigations. And after all that was released, what new information did we learn? Nothing of consequence. We were still left with the inescapable conclusion that Oswald killed him and acted alone, at least based on the available information in all those previously sealed documents. There was no smoking gun or information incriminating anyone or anything else.

So I really have no trouble believing that whatever there is left to be released about Epstein just six years after the fact is of no real legal or political consequence.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

f1ghtintexasaggie said:

Then it shouldn't be an issue to release everything they do have, minus the obviously illegal-to-disseminate CP?


Let's say they did, how many currently chastising them would relent or admit they were wrong? I propose that number is exceedingly small, bordering on non-existent. The old joke about the conspiracy theorist meeting god and realizing how high up the conspiracy goes comes to mind.

We've entered the realm of religion and unfalsifiability on this topic for many.


I would. Nothing would make me happier about this whole sordid affair than learning with absolute confidence that Epstein/Maxwell were lone criminals acting alone to satisfy their perversions, rather than running a honeypot to establish a network of pedophiles, with enough power and reach to influence those making critical decisions in the White House. Yeah, I pray that this is nothing, and the Trump admin would earn a lot of goodwill by keeping their word on this (at least stop bungling it so hard that it attracts even more attention and suspicion).
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I don't really see it as anything different from what we've seen of him to date; a set of policies that in totality are a net benefit and much better than the democratic alternative but whose administration is littered with incompetent sycophants who often bungle things up. That is part of the deal at this point.

The great irony of it all is the people who usually end up doing the best work (for example, Marco Rubio has been excellent to date) are often the ones most opposed as "RINO" and "swamp" by the base while those most applauded at the time of their appointment are the ones most likely to be royal **** ups. Turns out, qualifications matter and diplomacy requires some experience.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

Zachary Klement said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

f1ghtintexasaggie said:

Ag with kids said:

Dafuq is giving the right such a huge chubbie over this Epstein *****

It is the most useless thing in any of Trump's promises...

Trump just got the SCOTUS go-ahead to start gutting the Dept. of Education. And MAGA goes BUT EPSTEIN!!!!!!!

And the left and the media is drooling over this new chance to split the MAGA coalition...

JFC...the right couldn't stop stepping on their own dick even if they didn't have feet.


I know this may be a difficult concept for some of you guys to understand, but the rest of us believe we ought to have a government we can trust at the very least to do what they themselves say they're going to do. We also believe in the now long-forgotten ideas of justice and equal treatment under the law, and we deserve a government that lives up to those ideas, or is then held accountable when it not only fails to do so, but lies to the people they serve. We believe in these principles regardless of which party is in power.


But what if they aren't lying?

What if instead Epstein was just a sociopathic rapist who also happened to exist on a rung of the social ladder that placed him in the midst of a bunch of wealthy famous people?

There is not one shred of actual evidence presented to date that he had anyone trafficked to anybody but himself. Everything else was always circumstantial and largely a product of the social connections he had by virtue of his position in society.

At some point when enough people tell you there's nothing there, including now people who have A LOT to lose politically by doing so, maybe they aren't all in on the cover up. The idea that guys like Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are covering up a child rape ring on a global scale, after being all in on that theory for years and standing to be irreversibly harmed amongst their supporters, is just absurd on its face. That's far, far more unbelievable than the claim that Epstein wasn't having girls sent to powerful people.
It's definitely possible that there isn't more to the story, but I'd think they'd put forward something more conclusive to demonstrate that.

Prior to working for the government, Bongino and Patel were both extremely skeptical of the Epstein stuff. They seemed convinced that there was more to the story. Trump, his son, Vance, and others in his admin stoked the flames of this story and made it out to seem like a massive conspiracy.

Bondi said she had the list on her desk months ago, and now the list doesn't exist.

They make a big show out of releasing documents and having influencers at the White House.

When Epstein died, there wasn't any footage from the jail, all the cameras were down. Now, years later, footage exists! They release it and it's doctored and missing at least a minute.

On top of that, the most convincing stuff the administration has put forward essentially amounts to "trust me bro" and "stop talking about it."

They hyped this up on the campaign trail, in interviews, on social media, and by making a big show of inviting influencers to the White House.

When our government has lied to us about our involvement in other countries, wars, opioids being safe, COVID, etc., why should we just take them at their word here?


At some point we need to consider the possibility that Pam Bondi is just an unqualified moron. Unfortunately, Trump is prone to placing people like that in positions of real consequence. And malice is almost never the answer when stupidity alone offers a valid explanation.
And that may be the case with Bondi, but they still haven't been anywhere close to forthcoming with the Epstein information and many others have their hand in it.

It's hard to allow the default response to things like this be "well, the wealthy and powerful people running our country are just stupid."
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Epstein was Mossad. Simple as that.
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Truthfully, I've never found the Epstein stuff that credible. At least not more so than many of the other theories on there on social media.

But at the very least, the Trump crew knew that and decided to use an actual pedo scandal for political gain and accuse opponents of pedophilia. Even though they knew it was false. That is DISGUSTING behavior.

Don Jr and Kash were on the front lines talking about it.

And now they think so little of their supporter's intelligence that they are trying to change history and gaslight them into believing the Dems created the story.

And this is the "good" scenario.
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Let's say it's not all BS and a bunch of billionaires and elites are protecting each other from being outted by a blackmail pedo ring. How does that not make this the biggest story, probably of our lifetimes.

The real irony here is that the venn diagram of the people that say "move on" and the people that went on about pizza gate is probably a circle and in this case there's way more "there" there.
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Kevin Spacey wants them released....

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atmtws said:

Epstein was Mossad. Simple as that.

If only it was just that. I'll bet they flew this operation with our "indirect" knowledge. Patrick Bet-David made a good point on this today. Anytime politicians have a chance to sling mud, they do it. Yet all the heavyweight Ds are incredibly silent on this. Clinton's, Obamas, Schumer, etc.They really aren't demanding anything or using this as a smear angle.

That's because they all know about our connection to it and probably have many backers that are directly implicated.
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Not sure what Trump knows, but I do find it odd that the fact so far there is no hard evidence of an extortion conspiracy proves to so many people that one existed.
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Big Beautiful Backtracking
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MouthBQ98 said:

Not sure what Trump knows, but I do find it odd that the fact so far there is no hard evidence of an extortion conspiracy proves to so many people that one existed.


Because it's very obvious one does exist.
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I just don't get it.

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I like Michael Knowels' take. There's obviously something going on and we're never going to find out.

My addition is that until politicians start paying having real consequences meted out by an angry electorate, nothing will ever change. The uniparty will continue it's political theater to entertain the electorate like a football game.
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atmtws said:

Epstein was Mossad. Simple as that.


A week ago Netanyahu has dinner at the White House, and within days(?) the entire GOP turns on a dime against releasing anything Epstein related. If nothing else, it does seem a curious coincidence.
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Massie is just a contrarian at this point.
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SwigAg11 said:

How was it one of his loudest campaign promises? It may just be me, but I don't remember him talking about it in comparison to everything involving illegals, economy, debt, etc.

It wasn't even top 20.
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chris1515 said:

atmtws said:

Epstein was Mossad. Simple as that.


A week ago Netanyahu has dinner at the White House, and within days(?) the entire GOP turns on a dime against releasing anything Epstein related. If nothing else, it does seem a curious coincidence.


I mean, there's Iran, possible Hamas ceasefire, trade... but sure, it's most likely about Epstein
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For starters, this:

Quote:

the entire GOP turns on a dime against releasing anything Epstein related


Is completely false!

I'm Gipper
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Sid Farkas said:

You can pass all the laws you want, but the Epstein data will never see the light of day.

Epstein files are the new JFK.
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Guys the federal government investigated themselves and found absolutely no wrong doing. You don't trust them?
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Ag with kids said:

f1ghtintexasaggie said:

Ag with kids said:

Dafuq is giving the right such a huge chubbie over this Epstein *****

It is the most useless thing in any of Trump's promises...

Trump just got the SCOTUS go-ahead to start gutting the Dept. of Education. And MAGA goes BUT EPSTEIN!!!!!!!

And the left and the media is drooling over this new chance to split the MAGA coalition...

JFC...the right couldn't stop stepping on their own dick even if they didn't have feet.


I know this may be a difficult concept for some of you guys to understand, but the rest of us believe we ought to have a government we can trust at the very least to do what they themselves say they're going to do. We also believe in the now long-forgotten ideas of justice and equal treatment under the law, and we deserve a government that lives up to those ideas, or is then held accountable when it not only fails to do so, but lies to the people they serve. We believe in these principles regardless of which party is in power.

I also agree with that.

BUT...if THIS is one of your highest priorities, then you are completely missing the forest for the trees...


But, you do you. And tilt at those windmills...



Nice way to call people crazy. Why be an ass?
 
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