PaulsBunions said:

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If you actually watch the interview its Trump being asked point blank if he would declassify the files, and he says he would. Its not "just a tweet from Trump War Room".

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YOU clearly did not watch the actual interview

There is a theory/rumor floating around that there is a ton of the deep state that would be implicated with a release and Trump made a deal to bury it if they get out of his way and let him do the things he promised.

There is also a rumor/theory that Trump ordered Epstein killed. There is not much reason to believe either.

Your link wasn't in response to me, nor was there any indication that was the same clip unedited in that comment. Don't imply I'm arguing from bad faith when you don't know how to format a comment as a response.

Regardless, Trump and co made a big deal out of the Epstein stuff earlier this year and are backtracking now. If they have proof that Biden's cronies doctored the files they should show it. They shouldnt just say "hey guys we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing, we're closing the book on this now".

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If you actually watch the interview its Trump being asked point blank if he would declassify the files, and he says he would. Its not "just a tweet from Trump War Room".

Regardless, if Trump says its all a hoax now then there should be no problem releasing the files. Americans are sick of the fed covering up this stuff and that doesn't change because a guy with a red tie is in office instead of a guy with a blue tie.

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Here is what he actually said:

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"you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there," referring to the Epstein files, but said he would "certainly" want to release more information about how Epstein died, because "that was a weird situation, and the cameras didn't have to be working."

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So, he said he would release it if it wasn't total BS developed by Biden's boys. Apparently, what is going around was the quote chopped off.

Which has happened may times in the past when folks quote Trump.

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f1ghtintexasaggie said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Dafuq is giving the right such a huge chubbie over this Epstein *****

It is the most useless thing in any of Trump's promises...

Trump just got the SCOTUS go-ahead to start gutting the Dept. of Education. And MAGA goes BUT EPSTEIN!!!!!!!

And the left and the media is drooling over this new chance to split the MAGA coalition...

JFC...the right couldn't stop stepping on their own dick even if they didn't have feet.

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I know this may be a difficult concept for some of you guys to understand, but the rest of us believe we ought to have a government we can trust at the very least to do what they themselves say they're going to do. We also believe in the now long-forgotten ideas of justice and equal treatment under the law, and we deserve a government that lives up to those ideas, or is then held accountable when it not only fails to do so, but lies to the people they serve. We believe in these principles regardless of which party is in power.

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But what if they aren't lying?

What if instead Epstein was just a sociopathic rapist who also happened to exist on a rung of the social ladder that placed him in the midst of a bunch of wealthy famous people?

There is not one shred of actual evidence presented to date that he had anyone trafficked to anybody but himself. Everything else was always circumstantial and largely a product of the social connections he had by virtue of his position in society.

At some point when enough people tell you there's nothing there, including now people who have A LOT to lose politically by doing so, maybe they aren't all in on the cover up. The idea that guys like Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are covering up a child rape ring on a global scale, after being all in on that theory for years and standing to be irreversibly harmed amongst their supporters, is just absurd on its face. That's far, far more unbelievable than the claim that Epstein wasn't having girls sent to powerful people.

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Ok well if that is the case, then why has it been said that Kash Patel is threatening to quit his job due to the way this was handled? Why did Epstein have a painting of Bill Clinton hung up in his mansion on the island? Why did Blondei say that she had the list and the evidence on her desk and then do a complete 180? You don't question any of that?

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Why are so many people willing to allow wealthy, powerful child rapists to get away with it?

Serious question. We're now averting our gaze from that?

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As far as the government letting these guys get away with it, it appears that this goes deeper than child predators. Control of the world's most powerful people is the issue. The child sex trafficking was just the tool used for the intended goal. Control of powerful people by blackmail has been going on in our country, and the world, for a long time. And blackmail is a very powerful tool.

The biggest problem is that the people controlling the most powerful people in the world are very powerful. Apparently even more powerful the president of the United States - who could be considered the most powerful person in the world. Again, this is significantly larger than campaign promises and even child sex acts.

It's looking like the people who are controlling the most powerful people in the world do not want the system exposed. And it appears that the people who think Pam Bondi is a flake for talking out of both sides of her mouth are viewing this situation very superficially - she is a very small fish and this is way, way bigger than her. Trump, Bondi and the rest of the group are navigating very deep waters and the issues are so layered and complex that making right or wrong decisions is extremely difficult.

This also makes it easier to understand why a generation of U.S. presidents have kept the JFK files closed.

PaulsBunions said:

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Your link wasn't in response to me, nor was there any indication that was the same clip unedited in that comment. Don't imply I'm arguing from bad faith when you don't know how to format a comment as a response.

Regardless, Trump and co made a big deal out of the Epstein stuff earlier this year and are backtracking now. If they have proof that Biden's cronies doctored the files they should show it. They shouldnt just say "hey guys we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing, we're closing the book on this now".

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Show me where Trump "made a big deal" out of it. Some of his people talked about it, but not Trump. At least I can't find anything, other than the actual interview I posted and the quote I posted from it.

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PaulsBunions said:

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Then they should release the files and put the conspiracies to rest

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Yep, tell us SOMETHING. You played us for votes, now at least have the decency for some transparency, or some type of explanation. Don't blast us for asking questions about something you wanted us to be obsessing over just months ago.

Trump's "why are we still talking about this guy" BS is the opposite of transparency and makes him look stupid or crooked.

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Maybe you got played for your vote, but not me.

Would I like to see the files released? Of course, but that's not why I voted for Trump. This is literally less than 1% of my concern.

I want low interest rates, high employment and wealth growth, and a growth economy. Those issues are why I voted Trump.

This is also from the Forbes article I put in my post above

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Fox cut the interview so viewers only saw Trump say "yeah, yeah, I would" when asked if he would declassify the Epstein files, rather than the full answer where he expresses some reservations about doing so.

Trump's campaign account, Trump War Room, also shared the edited version of the clip, while Semafor also reported on the deceptive editing last summer, noting the full clip was later aired on Will Cain's Fox News radio show.

The edited clip is making the rounds on social media as Trump faces growing backlash from his base over the Justice Department's decision not to release any additional documents related to its investigation into Epsteindespite top law enforcement officials repeatedly suggesting more revelations were forthcoming.

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[color=#000000]She's only killing it in the courts because the liberals are ******ed and flinging poo against the wall with these nonsense TROs and rulings that have zero basis in the law! The cases "win" themselves, the DOJ is just an observer. Anyone can see that.[/color]

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This is complete nonsense. She leads the legal team. They push the EOs and lawsuits. They are winning and she is at the helm. Your inability to give credit where credit is due shows you aren't being honest here. As does your false claim that she said "Client list" She never said that. She was asked about the client list and she said all of it was on her desk which clearly meant the entire file.

As I have said, she is terrible in front of cameras. But the "Scandal" of being bad in front of cameras will be gone long before midterms and Trump loves the job she is doing. So sit back and enjoy the great job she and Trump are doing overall.

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Yes, its 50D chess by Bondi, not idiocy by the liberal district judges. The cases are Perry Mason levels of legal savvy. LOL spin it buddy.

Your post about the list quote is also bull***** She was specifically asked by John Roberts "DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?". She said "It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that."

Do you know what it is? It is a pronoun. Do you know what that pronoun is referring to in that quote? The client list.

The only nonsense being spewed here is from your seat.

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[color=#000000]Your link wasn't in response to me, nor was there any indication that was the same clip unedited in that comment. Don't imply I'm arguing from bad faith when you don't know how to format a comment as a response.[/color]

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Yes it was! You literally made the same claim on the other thread, and when it was shut down you did the "uh, I think I saw it on another podcast, uh"

I'm not implying any bad faith by you. You are doing that on your own!

Do you not remember those influencers received "Epstein Binders" back in February from the White House?

BREAKING: Full Scan of Epstein File Binder: https://t.co/17UmUcZqwL

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) February 27, 2025

GenericAggie said:

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Ag with kids said:

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f1ghtintexasaggie said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Dafuq is giving the right such a huge chubbie over this Epstein *****

It is the most useless thing in any of Trump's promises...

Trump just got the SCOTUS go-ahead to start gutting the Dept. of Education. And MAGA goes BUT EPSTEIN!!!!!!!

And the left and the media is drooling over this new chance to split the MAGA coalition...

JFC...the right couldn't stop stepping on their own dick even if they didn't have feet.

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I know this may be a difficult concept for some of you guys to understand, but the rest of us believe we ought to have a government we can trust at the very least to do what they themselves say they're going to do. We also believe in the now long-forgotten ideas of justice and equal treatment under the law, and we deserve a government that lives up to those ideas, or is then held accountable when it not only fails to do so, but lies to the people they serve. We believe in these principles regardless of which party is in power.

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I also agree with that.

BUT...if THIS is one of your highest priorities, then you are completely missing the forest for the trees...


But, you do you. And tilt at those windmills...

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Nice way to call people crazy. Why be an ass?

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nm

This is never going away.

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PaulsBunions said:

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JUST IN: 🇺🇸 US President Trump says the Epstein files are a "made-up" Democrat hoax. pic.twitter.com/6cKSUwzEWL

— Trump Truth Social Posts On X (@TrumpTruthOnX) July 15, 2025

Trump says its all a made up Democrat hoax, sounds like he's doing Trump a favor by forcing the hoax to be exposed

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People voted for this

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Right. That's the problem. People voted for a hoax. There is no list and almost certainly was no big ring of customers.

People have been voting for hoaxes my entire life. It used to be just a feature of the left(man made climate change, Russia) but fuels by the governments dishonesty over Covid(much of which happened during Trumps first term) in the last several years it has fully infected the right.

Trump just sold it because it was working and now it's biting him in the butt.



Last, we need to come to terms with that fact and move on. Trump is doing great things.

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Then why is Ghislaine Maxwell in prison, why are there huge volumes of victims, and why were we told there was literally tangible information (files on Bondi's desk, etc)?

I do not like someone openly lying to my face even by people whose politics I prefer. It's personally insulting and reeks of untouchability and a two-tiered justice system. That kind of bad attitude is why I voted against the Democrats. This is a disgrace, and nobody should stand for it.

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This is never going away.

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True, it will always be like the JFK files.

But it's not going to be relevant by the time Nov 2026 rolls around.

so the OP creates not just one thread on a guy who died six years ago and has absolutely zero effect on my life.

but two threads on a guy who died six years ago and has absolutely zero effect on my life.

let's definitely NOT discuss rescissions packages, Trump sending weapons to Ukraine, Syria murdering the Druze, defunding NPR, tariffs.

let's spend all our time debating whether Epstein killed himself six years ago or someone else killed him.

because that is SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than Trump announcing 50 billion dollars of investments in Pennsylvania yesterday!

Sorry, I didn't even realize that was supposed to be some sort of evidence disproving what I was saying since I had mentioned nothing about Trump at that point in that thread. Regardless that clip was posted by his own campaign so blame them for editing it.

Trump has been yapping about "draining the swamp' for 10+ years, and the establishment has done everything they can to undermine him for that same amount of time. The Epstein case has always appeared to be a government cover up, so whats the harm in releasing everything about it? It seems like some people want to put this to bed just because Trump said so and leaving it somewhat of a mystery.

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Then why is Ghislaine Maxwell in prison, why are there huge volumes of victims, and why were we told there was literally tangible information (files on Bondi's desk, etc)?

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I agree that this is a huge question for me. Why did his folks make such a big deal out of this when obviously Trump didn't.

Trump's answer now is that it's a non issue because Biden's team has a history of lying and making up **** and he doesn't trust the info. That is consistent with what he was saying a year ago.

And, "the files are on my desk" comment is just stupid, especially since she obviously didn't talk to Trump first. Or hell, maybe didn't even read what she had. She could have been given info on what the menu was going to be in her next meeting, lol.

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so the OP creates not just one thread on a guy who died six years ago and has absolutely zero effect on my life.

but two threads on a guy who died six years ago and has absolutely zero effect on my life.

let's definitely NOT discuss rescissions packages, Trump sending weapons to Ukraine, Syria murdering the Druze, defunding NPR, tariffs.

let's spend all our time debating whether Epstein killed himself six years ago or someone else killed him.

because that is SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than Trump announcing 50 billion dollars of investments in Pennsylvania yesterday!

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The government and elites being corrupt and doing what appears to be a coverup for shady deviant behavior, while conditioning the populace to expect no accountability, has zero effect on your life?

I'd venture any culture acceptance of gov corruption, deviant behavior, and willful coverups are the building blocks that enable all the other issues you outlined.

Epstein didn't even rate as a reason why I voted for Trump.

Some seem to be forgetting some simple facts. We were one election away from being Brazil. The 2024 election was much closer than many seem to recall.

Had Harris won the border would have remained open. I'll even wager that illegal migrant hordes would have grown. The dems would have imported 30M+ from 2025-2028 easily.

And guess what happens next? It's done at that point. Hell, Trump may in reality just be a bandaid on a broken leg but at least he's extending our run.

I too would love to see all these sick pervs exposed but the Epstein "list" isn't going to save the country.

No, she was asked if she had a client list. She replied she had "all the evidence" on her desk. She did not specifically say anything about a client list. People chose to interpret this as an acknowledgment that such a thing exists and she may have been purposefully (and recklessly) vague to allow them to believe that.

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No, she was asked if she had a client list. She replied she had "all the evidence" on her desk. She did not specifically say anything about a client list. People chose to interpret this as an acknowledgment that such a thing exists and she may have been purposefully (and recklessly) vague to allow them to believe that.

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Mouth, c'mon man.

This is the dialog:

She was asked by John Roberts: "DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?".

Bondi: "It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that."


Here is the video:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bondi-says-epstein-client-list-sitting-my-desk-right-now-reviewing-jfk-mlk-files

Exactly. She was purposefully or recklessly vague in her response. She never acknowledged the existence of a client list, yet I keep seeing people making that claim. She only said she had "all the evidence" and did not describe exactly what any of it was. People are making presumptions that satisfy their personal biases. The context of the discussion was the evidence, and she carefully skirted acknowledging any specific piece of it in her own words. Very likely because she hadn't taken the time to review it personally.

And once it was reviewed how do we not know that Bondi went to her boss and said this looks like a big steaming pile of sh**?

Does anyone really think that the dems, who controlled the "evidence" for four years just kept everything pristine and accurate and expertly maintained? The dem DOJ/FBI didn't do sh** about the Epstein case the entire four years Biden was in office. Nothing.

Further, the DOJ/FBI during Trump's first term was already completely corrupted by the Obama Admin and swampy Rinos.

When Trump/Bondi/whoever says they don't have any evidence that Epstein killed himself, it may mean just that. They don't. The evidence is gone, destroyed, swept away. No video evidence, no witnesses, nada. That's probably true.

Team Trump has handled this badly, no question. But they may in fact, literally, have nothing to work with.

I just watched the video, just to make sure I wasn't missing something....because I certainly didn't remember the interaction verbatim.

She quite literally said that "it", the Epstein client list (that she was just asked about), is sitting on her desk for review....

I have no idea how you, or anyone else is trying to claim that she didn't outright acknowledge the existence of said list by saying that.

It = the evidence
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It = specifically a list?

She doesn't say. Presume what you will, I suppose. The question was the list. The context was the evidence. Which was she referring to?

If that's the case it would seem like the perfect opportunity for Trump to say that, rather than saying the whole thing is a hoax

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It = the evidence
Or
It = specifically a list?

She doesn't say. Presume what you will, I suppose. The question was the list. The context was the evidence. Which was she referring to?

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She quite literally replied directly to a question specifically about the list. There's no presumption of anything here, not even remotely.

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Exactly. She was purposefully or recklessly vague in her response. She never acknowledged the existence of a client list, yet I keep seeing people making that claim. She only said she had "all the evidence" and did not describe exactly what any of it was. People are making presumptions that satisfy their personal biases. The context of the discussion was the evidence, and she carefully skirted acknowledging any specific piece of it in her own words. Very likely because she hadn't taken the time to review it personally.

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No she was not! Wow!

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Maybe you got played for your vote, but not me.

Would I like to see the files released? Of course, but that's not why I voted for Trump. This is literally less than 1% of my concern.

I want low interest rates, high employment and wealth growth, and a growth economy. Those issues are why I voted Trump.

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I think the average voter didn't have this issue high on the list. Why would they? But because it lingered over and over, and specific people were put in place BECAUSE of it? Why go through all that trouble? I find it interesting how we blame everything that's contributing to our decline as a nation, but lack of transparency from an elected leader shouldn't be another factor.

As long as your low intrest CC and car payments come your way.

That's been going on for a while. It's not really (D)ifferent like they say. It's entertaining and sad at the same time.

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It = the evidence
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It = specifically a list?

She doesn't say. Presume what you will, I suppose. The question was the list. The context was the evidence. Which was she referring to?

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And this is goal tending 101. It's up there with Bill Clinton and his definition of sex.