HeadGames said:

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ETF fine with rampant homelessness and violence. Interesting. Part of big city life I guess.

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You've got a political party in the dems that want the ship to go down and I guess they want to go down with it. All because they were voted out and lost power. You can't reason with them and no use trying.

"Historic Low."

Here’s the DC homicide data for the past 20 years — 187 murders isn’t even close to a “historic low.”

I highlighted all the years with fewer murders than 2024 just to make it crystal clear. https://t.co/dqFJEBuy10 pic.twitter.com/i1WBzmvd52

— Jacki Kotkiewicz (@jackikotkiewicz) August 11, 2025

DC remains a disgraceful mess;

I brought my family to DC for the Cherry Blossom festival.

The first thing I saw when I exited the L’Enfant Plaza Metro was a gang of youths driving ATVs down the street, one of whom was doing a wheelie

So forgive me if I doubt that crime is down

— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) August 11, 2025

Local government has directed the charade of statistics this year:

This is a critical aspect of the DC story that I hope @ScottJenningsKY raises on CNN: when they couldn't get the crime stats to cooperate with their narrative, they started cooking the books. https://t.co/lS7b9kPEaB

— Benjamin Domenech (@bdomenech) August 11, 2025

Even the Police agrees with the President, but sure you know what the true stats are and it's just another ploy to become a dictator. Why the lefts continues that fear BS is beyond me. Trump would like for the States and Cities do handle most things on their own. Real problem is that left run states and cities are broke, full of crime, and clueless on what majority of Americans really want. But you believe what you want, facts are staring you in the face.

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deddog said:

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Old McDonald said:

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gotta give it to Trump, he may be the only person in history to convince the "don't tread on me" crowd to simp for martial law

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This right here, I'm word vomiting, but it boils down to this.


DC is not some out of control crime hole, so to use that as a reason to invoke these measures is straight authoritarian. This is just more shifting of the overton window.


Hopefully maga wakes up one day and sees wth is going on. I truly welcome the day we all turn collectively towards this lost admin and tell them to **** off.

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BLM folks against law and order?
Theres a shocker.

I am with you though. Trump needs to stop bailing out ****hole blue cities. Let Blue cities get exactly what they vote for. More crime, more murder, more violence, and more looting.
Of course black americans would be at the receiving end of much of that violence, but there's nothing new there. Democrats never gave a **** about that demographic.

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Strawman, my argument has nothing to do with my stance on approaching crime. I've already said that in this thread.

1. Law and order is important and should be maintained
2. Not against law and order
3. I want to see their crime rates improved by actually going at the source.
4. Data says crime is decreasing, at least the latest real data we have
5. Keep improving it! Yay!
6. Fight crime
7. Go get those bad guys!

8. Don't militarize our state police for your wannabe dictatorship, you larping *******.
9. This is another push for a full military takeover



Please separate the two issues or stop responding to me.

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Dictatorship, military takeover? Lol is that what your leaders are pushing? Take some deep breaths my man.

He wants DC to be a safe, model city where residents and particularly millions of visitors can freely and safely visit all of the amazing stuff there. This isn't rocket science.

We have seen firsthand how a government can attempt a "takeover" by silencing dissenters, shutting down and defunding businesses, creating and funding chaos in the streets to destabilize the country, etc. There are now receipts that it all happened. Don't try to convince us, like your leaders, to not believe what we have seen with our own eyes either. This group knows the difference.

Hang in there and prepare yourself for a return to greatness for America again.

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nortex97 said:

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Is your argument that the 2024 murder rate is too low? I don't see any stats or sources you've provided, either.

MAKE D.C. SAFE AGAIN. pic.twitter.com/WwYNGvP3ju

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) August 11, 2025

What stats justify leaving DC as-is? Oh, maybe a leftist publication like The Hill can explain the duplicity in the claims crime is down;

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"To evade public scrutiny, MPD leadership is deliberately falsifying crime data, creating a false narrative of reduced crime while communities suffer," he added.
The apparent justification for using the two charges interchangeably is that felony threats and assault with a deadly weapon charges carry roughly equivalent sentences.
But because felony threats cases are not categorized as a violent crime, such charges skew D.C.'s reported violent crime statistics. Improperly declassifying violent crime directly undermines the community's faith in the data.
The City Council, the U.S. attorney and the D.C. attorney general must investigate this pattern, as the continued prevalence of these decisions ripples through the criminal justice system.
Misrepresentation of the prevalence of violent crime directly affects the Metropolitan Police Department's staffing, recruiting and retention, clearance rates on violent crimes, decisions on where to patrol, designation of Drug Free Zones, reporting to state and national criminal databases, City Council oversight and funding decisions.
It is fundamentally unfair to our patrol officers and our community members. Simply reducing the denominator does not reduce crime.

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Or, what about the FBI, the left's favorite law enforcement body since at least 2016, if not J. Edgar Hoover's time:

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FBI Director Kash Patel: Director Patel notes that, in the last six months, over 4,000 child victims have been identified, found. The FBI and other authorities have intercepted 1,500 kg of fentanyl, enough to kill 115 million Americans. The FBI has arrested 19,000 people, double of this time last year. 270 of those arrested were traffickers of children. Murder rates are plummeting. "We will make D.C. safe again."

US Attorney Jeanine Pirro: "We all want a safe city." She cited too much violent crime being committed by "young punks," also stating, "they know we can't touch them because the laws are weak." She stated that emboldened criminals won't be getting away anymore. "It changes today."

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Trump is right to do this, for the evergreen reason Dems always cite; the children. Throw bigoted LBJ's (D) 'great society' (of violence) into the **** can of history. And trust me or not, I have plenty of first-hand reports of the violence that is a daily fear/occurrence in DC.

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I'm not the US government invoking a never-before-used provision to commander a cities' police department while also calling in the NG for a city that isn't an outlier to other US cities?

I'm not the one trying to post propaganda on official government channels to support said farce.

There's been a sharp decline in crime, including murder, according to the FBI report from this very thread, from January. So is crime down or up? FBI says down? Tweet and trump say up? Where is the tweet data from? It's from the FBI too I assume? All I can do is assume. See the issue?

Are we taking over other cities with similar or worse crime stats? DC isn't an outlier, so I assume they're setting up this "emergency" to be the norm.

Any reasonable person would see the slippery, authoritarian slope, but not through red glasses.

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I've lived in the DC area for the past 17 years. Things got significantly worse here after COVID. I believe homicides more than doubled from 116 in 2017 to 274 in 2023. The homeless population also exploded. They are everywhere now and we have large encampments in public parks which I did not see from 2008-2020.

It may also be true that crime is down marginally from the peak in 2023 but that year was historically awful with some crimes like carjacking increasing by 10x compared to pre COVID.

And I think the teens who dropped out of school permanently during the COVID school shutdowns are the biggest driver. I have a friend who is a DC cop who said they arrest the teens but the DA does not prosecute them for anything less than murder or attempted murder. All other charges are dropped and they are released the same day, even after they are arrested.

The police in DC are pissed that people they arrest face no consequences and they have stopped arresting teens for most crimes since it is pointless.

The situation in DC is as bad as it gets.

The absolute hilarity and gall of Democrats on here whining about "police states" when these same people are pro open borders and pro-crime.

Y'all had a policy of lawlessness and zero accoutnability; this is the pendulum swinging back the other direction. You caused this so quit your crying.

If you were sane and really believed in the rule of law then you wouldn't vote for Democrats and then we would never have gotten to this point.

DCAggie13y said:

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ETFan said:

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nortex97 said:

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Is your argument that the 2024 murder rate is too low? I don't see any stats or sources you've provided, either.

MAKE D.C. SAFE AGAIN. pic.twitter.com/WwYNGvP3ju

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) August 11, 2025

What stats justify leaving DC as-is? Oh, maybe a leftist publication like The Hill can explain the duplicity in the claims crime is down;

Quote:

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"To evade public scrutiny, MPD leadership is deliberately falsifying crime data, creating a false narrative of reduced crime while communities suffer," he added.
The apparent justification for using the two charges interchangeably is that felony threats and assault with a deadly weapon charges carry roughly equivalent sentences.
But because felony threats cases are not categorized as a violent crime, such charges skew D.C.'s reported violent crime statistics. Improperly declassifying violent crime directly undermines the community's faith in the data.
The City Council, the U.S. attorney and the D.C. attorney general must investigate this pattern, as the continued prevalence of these decisions ripples through the criminal justice system.
Misrepresentation of the prevalence of violent crime directly affects the Metropolitan Police Department's staffing, recruiting and retention, clearance rates on violent crimes, decisions on where to patrol, designation of Drug Free Zones, reporting to state and national criminal databases, City Council oversight and funding decisions.
It is fundamentally unfair to our patrol officers and our community members. Simply reducing the denominator does not reduce crime.

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Or, what about the FBI, the left's favorite law enforcement body since at least 2016, if not J. Edgar Hoover's time:

Quote:

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FBI Director Kash Patel: Director Patel notes that, in the last six months, over 4,000 child victims have been identified, found. The FBI and other authorities have intercepted 1,500 kg of fentanyl, enough to kill 115 million Americans. The FBI has arrested 19,000 people, double of this time last year. 270 of those arrested were traffickers of children. Murder rates are plummeting. "We will make D.C. safe again."

US Attorney Jeanine Pirro: "We all want a safe city." She cited too much violent crime being committed by "young punks," also stating, "they know we can't touch them because the laws are weak." She stated that emboldened criminals won't be getting away anymore. "It changes today."

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Trump is right to do this, for the evergreen reason Dems always cite; the children. Throw bigoted LBJ's (D) 'great society' (of violence) into the **** can of history. And trust me or not, I have plenty of first-hand reports of the violence that is a daily fear/occurrence in DC.

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I'm not the US government invoking a never-before-used provision to commander a cities' police department while also calling in the NG for a city that isn't an outlier to other US cities?

I'm not the one trying to post propaganda on official government channels to support said farce.

There's been a sharp decline in crime, including murder, according to the FBI report from this very thread, from January. So is crime down or up? FBI says down? Tweet and trump say up? Where is the tweet data from? It's from the FBI too I assume? All I can do is assume. See the issue?

Are we taking over other cities with similar or worse crime stats? DC isn't an outlier, so I assume they're setting up this "emergency" to be the norm.

Any reasonable person would see the slippery, authoritarian slope, but not through red glasses.

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I've lived in the DC area for the past 17 years. Things got significantly worse here after COVID. I believe homicides more than doubled from 116 in 2017 to 274 in 2023. The homeless population also exploded. They are everywhere now and we have large encampments in public parks which I did not see from 2008-2020.

It may also be true that crime is down marginally from the peak in 2023 but that year was historically awful with some crimes like carjacking increasing by 10x compared to pre COVID.

And I think the teens who dropped out of school permanently during the COVID school shutdowns are the biggest driver. I have a friend who is a DC cop who said they arrest the teens but the DA does not prosecute them for anything less than murder or attempted murder. All other charges are dropped and they are released the same day, even after they are arrested.

The police in DC are pissed that people they arrest face no consequences and they have stopped arresting teens for most crimes since it is pointless.

The situation in DC is as bad as it gets.

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I declare you the winner of this debate.