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It's also hilarious that Trump pardoned 600+ violent offenders who participated in the Jan 6 riots. Like, how is DC safer with people who assaulted cops back on the streets?

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I'm sure you can provide a follow up as to how many violent crimes those 600+ offenders who were not in any way political prisoners have committed in DC since being released from the gulag?

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Would you be asking the same question for literally any other violent offender if they weren't wearing a 'MAGA' hat? I think not. Your interest isn't about crime; it's about which political affiliation the criminal 'belongs' to.

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In other words, the answer is zero, as to your concern/awareness/facts regarding the recidivism in DC for those Trump pardoned. Thx, that's what I thought.

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And most of the criminals are your party chief.

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Donald Trump is literally a convicted felon lmao

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He's also Batman according to CNN

I voted for this. https://t.co/WRMux4ElcV pic.twitter.com/nkA1jUNTE1

— Burt Macklin (@BurtMaclin_FBI) August 12, 2025

The dems are just running out of crap to throw against the wall.

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And most of the criminals are your party chief.

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Donald Trump is literally a convicted felon lmao

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LOL. Why isn't he in prison?

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For classifying payments to a woman NOT as campaign expenses. That's some really evil stuff right there, sir.

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And most of the criminals are your party chief.

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Donald Trump is literally a convicted felon lmao

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LOL. Why isn't he in prison?

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GREAT QUESTION!

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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It's also hilarious that Trump pardoned 600+ violent offenders who participated in the Jan 6 riots. Like, how is DC safer with people who assaulted cops back on the streets?

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Do you ever ask this question about other "violent" offenders being returned to the community on a daily basis? Or, are you only upset about who these people are?

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Yes, I ask it about every convicted violent offender.

I see "new" talking points are out, regurgitation of 2024.

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gotta give it to Trump, he may be the only person in history to convince the "don't tread on me" crowd to simp for martial law

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This right here, I'm word vomiting, but it boils down to this.


DC is not some out of control crime hole, so to use that as a reason to invoke these measures is straight authoritarian. This is just more shifting of the overton window.


Hopefully maga wakes up one day and sees wth is going on. I truly welcome the day we all turn collectively towards this lost admin and tell them to **** off.

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I'm fully awake!

The ******ed NYT reporter who claimed the DC crime crisis is nonexistent has been issued a challenge.

I'll pay to have you take this challenge. You in?:

I triple-dog dare you to take on this challenge https://t.co/BEcdbibrkf

— Mike Lee (@BasedMikeLee) August 12, 2025

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What I don't understand is why we would not want our Capitol and D.C. to not be the most beautiful and inviting place for citizens and travelers?

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Nothing says "WELCOME" more than armed military on every street corner

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What I don't understand is why we would not want our Capitol and D.C. to not be the most beautiful and inviting place for citizens and travelers?

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Nothing says "WELCOME" more than armed military on every street corner

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That's what liberalism has wrought.

If we could get rid of all democrats, we could almost get rid of the police department in DC altogether.

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What I don't understand is why we would not want our Capitol and D.C. to not be the most beautiful and inviting place for citizens and travelers?

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Nothing says "WELCOME" more than armed military on every street corner

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You should have lived in the South during the 60s. Tanks rolling down Main Street were common.

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What I don't understand is why we would not want our Capitol and D.C. to not be the most beautiful and inviting place for citizens and travelers?

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Nothing says "WELCOME" more than armed military on every street corner

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You should have lived in the South during the 60s. Tanks rolling down Main Street were common.

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I'm sorry...what? Are you talking about when the national guard was deployed during school integration?...because that's not really a point in favor of your argument.

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What I don't understand is why we would not want our Capitol and D.C. to not be the most beautiful and inviting place for citizens and travelers?

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Nothing says "WELCOME" more than armed military on every street corner

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Nothing says "WELCOME" to America's capitol like a bunch of homeless encampments, criminals walking the streets, and being afraid to getting mugged during broad daylight.

You goofs ridiculous talking points make about as much sense as trying to teach calculus to a 3 year old.

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Weird, it's as if you straw manned something I never said.

Where did I say homeless ecampments were welcoming?

I'll put it simply since I can't use crayons....there's a way to address city crime without deploying armed military personnel! It is very strange that MAGA has 0 qualms with what is a textbook authoritarian playcall.

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It's also hilarious that Trump pardoned 600+ violent offenders who participated in the Jan 6 riots. Like, how is DC safer with people who assaulted cops back on the streets?

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Do you ever ask this question about other "violent" offenders being returned to the community on a daily basis? Or, are you only upset about who these people are?

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Yes, I ask it about every convicted violent offender.

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What violent offender(s), again, are you talking about? Trump only pardoned/commuted the (1,500 or so, not 600) non-violent ones, meaning there was no charge or enhancement for violence on their conviction in the kangaroo courts in DC. What is the recidivism rate/data you are concerned about as to those pardoned in DC?

🚨 #BREAKING: TRUMP PARDONS ~1,500 JAN. 6TH DEFENDANTS. pic.twitter.com/Jm2mFTcA0n

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) January 21, 2025

I really don't think you are well-informed as to either (a) crime in DC, or (b) Trump's pardons based on your speculative input here. Surely if you are right though, at least one of the felons pardoned/commuted related to J6 has been arrested, if not convicted for violent crime in DC since Jan 20 of this year, right?

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What I don't understand is why we would not want our Capitol and D.C. to not be the most beautiful and inviting place for citizens and travelers?

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Nothing says "WELCOME" more than armed military on every street corner

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You should have lived in the South during the 60s. Tanks rolling down Main Street were common.

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I'm sorry...what? Are you talking about when the national guard was deployed during school integration?...because that's not really a point in favor of your argument.

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Actually, it's quite relevant since Democrats didn't want integration. They don't want integration today and they run the high crime urban areas.

It seems like from reading this thread and the number of people who visited and didn't see any major issues that D.C. is overrun much like these forums claim Seattle is overrun.

There's no doubt that these cities have lost much of their former luster - there is absolutely and drug and/or homeless problem and it's absolutely destroying the beauty of many of these cities (and is coming for yours next).

But the hyperbole of many about these cities being lost and too dangerous to visit is tiresome. If you're scared to visit Seattle, you probably are better suited never leaving your house.

Yeah you're right. We need to be satisfied with the crime rate. Party on dude.

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It's also hilarious that Trump pardoned 600+ violent offenders who participated in the Jan 6 riots. Like, how is DC safer with people who assaulted cops back on the streets?

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Do you ever ask this question about other "violent" offenders being returned to the community on a daily basis? Or, are you only upset about who these people are?

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Yes, I ask it about every convicted violent offender.

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What violent offender(s), again, are you talking about? Trump only pardoned/commuted the (1,500 or so, not 600) non-violent ones, meaning there was no charge or enhancement for violence on their conviction in the kangaroo courts in DC. What is the recidivism rate/data you are concerned about as to those pardoned in DC?

I really don't think you are well-informed as to either (a) crime in DC, or (b) Trump's pardons based on your speculative input here. Surely if you are right though, at least one of the felons pardoned/commuted related to J6 has been arrested, if not convicted for violent crime in DC since Jan 20 of this year, right?

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You are uninformed. The TOTAL convictions of Jan 6 was the roughly 1,500 people. He gave a blanket pardon to ALL OF THEM. You can read it yourself (here):

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Acting pursuant to the grant of authority in Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution of the United States, I do hereby:

(a) commute the sentences of the following individuals convicted of offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, to time served as of January 20, 2025:
Stewart Rhodes
Kelly Meggs
Kenneth Harrelson
Thomas Caldwell
Jessica Watkins
Roberto Minuta
Edward Vallejo
David Moerschel
Joseph Hackett
Ethan Nordean
Joseph Biggs
Zachary Rehl
Dominic Pezzola
Jeremy Bertino

(b) grant a full, complete and unconditional pardon to all other individuals convicted of offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021;

The Attorney General shall administer and effectuate the immediate issuance of certificates of pardon to all individuals described in section (b) above, and shall ensure that all individuals convicted of offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, who are currently held in prison are released immediately. The Bureau of Prisons shall immediately implement all instructions from the Department of Justice regarding this directive.
I further direct the Attorney General to pursue dismissal with prejudice to the government of all pending indictments against individuals for their conduct related to the events at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021. The Bureau of Prisons shall immediately implement all instructions from the Department of Justice regarding this directive.

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Matthew Huttle, was recently shot and killed by law enforcement in Indiana during a traffic stop just days after receiving a pardon for his role in the Capitol riot. Huttle was previously charged with a littany of crimes (battery, DUI, child abuse, etc.)

Peter Schwartz, another pardoned individual, had a jaw-dropping criminal history of 38 prior convictions going back to 1991. He he assaulted police officers with pepper spray on Jan. 6.

David Daniel, who currently faces child pron charges, pled guilty to assaulting officers on Jan 6 and was pardoned for that crime.

Daniel Ball of Florida threw an "explosive device that detonated upon at least 25 officers" during the Capitol riot and has a previous charge of domestic violence.

Andrew Taake of Texas pleaded guilty to assaulting police officers with bear spray and a "metal whip" on Jan. 6.

I could go on. There are HUNDREDS of violent offenders on Jan 6 that had prior charges of violent offenses and Trump pardoned all of them (for their crimes on Jan 6).

You are literally the uniformed one.

So, a lot of words, and not a single one has since been arrested even, in DC, for so much as a speeding/jaywalking violation? I tried to make that a simple question.

Those are the ones (you listed) whose sentences were commuted. Do you know a single person who lives in/around DC? The problem is, the crime has now spread to the government/tourist parts in the middle.

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What I don't understand is why we would not want our Capitol and D.C. to not be the most beautiful and inviting place for citizens and travelers?

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Nothing says "WELCOME" more than armed military on every street corner

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Nothing says "WELCOME" to America's capitol like a bunch of homeless encampments, criminals walking the streets, and being afraid to getting mugged during broad daylight.

You goofs ridiculous talking points make about as much sense as trying to teach calculus to a 3 year old.

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Weird, it's as if you straw manned something I never said.

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That's not a strawman.

It's the literal alternative to what is happening under Trump.

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And most of the criminals are your party chief.

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Donald Trump is literally a convicted felon lmao

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LOL. Why isn't he in prison?

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For classifying payments to a woman NOT as campaign expenses. That's some really evil stuff right there, sir.

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I'm always terrified when I'm walking the streets of DC at night that some gang of youths will sneak up behind me and list certain expenditures as legal expenses. https://t.co/On7jYGdnG8

— 🫃🏼💉🇺🇦🥥Hollaria Briden, Esq. (@HollyBriden) August 12, 2025

You know many people were forced to plead guilty for things they didn't do so they could finally get out of jail after months or longer for trespassing, right? Of course you don't.

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There are two separate issues to parse out, and as per usual inserting 'Trump' into the conversations makes many unable to think through the issue rationally.

Issue 1: Crime in DC. It's been over a decade since I lived there, but I lived there and Los Angeles. DC was significantly worse place as a resident to live. The amount of petty theft on the Metro, youth crime culture is way more of a thing in DC than it is in LA. I've been back a few times and it didn't seem better. That something needs to be done to make criminals accountable for their crimes is obvious, and a reaction is long overdue. Any claims about the trajectory of crime or it's not as bad as it used to be are missing the lived experience of a culture that tolerates this.

Issue 2: The Federal takeover of DC (and proposal to do the same in Chicago, LA, NYC, etc.). DC is unique in that it is the one place the Feds can do exactly what they're doing. That something ought to be done is obvious, and Trump can pull the lever here legally. Citing that they're going to try to do the same thing in other places should send a shiver down everyone's spine. We don't federalize the military to take over places that have their own jurisdiction. If this isn't immediately obvious to everyone why that's a terrible idea, that is troubling.

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I am interested to see to crime statistics that would warrant a sudden federal takeover. I have a strong feeling they do not exist as violent crime rates have been dropping for decades now in big cities. I suspect this is just more buttering up the public to Trump's abuses of federal power,

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What crime statistics would be of interest?

The murder rate in Washington, D.C. today is greater than Bogota, Mexico City, and more ⬇️

MAKE D.C. SAFE AGAIN! pic.twitter.com/0L9SVfY1KG

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) August 11, 2025

I am interested in what crime data would be supportive of 'let's just let this thing keep going as-is.' I think this is 'change we can believe in.'

As I have family that live/work in the area, I admit to having a vested interest. Nothing is safe in town at this point, even at rush hour. It's absurd, and unacceptable, but that is what happens when Democrats run a city.

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This... isn't how statistics work or how this comparison would be done by an intellectually honest administration.

- is it 2024 or 2025
- if this is 2024 data ok
- that means crime is down 30% now
- oh that data is false? then where is this 2024 data from?
- no idea because no sources
- annualized? mid-year? Where did the other data come from?
- won't even get started on comparing 700k pop DC suburb to places like 8.8mil Bogota.. or simply ommited the other cities in the US more 'dangerous' than DC


They've invoked a never before used provision, related to emergencies, and they can't even give us numbers or what the emergency is? No data? Just stand at a podium and tell us the 'truth'.


But hey, maga loves them a good police state.

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Late to the thread but this was a great response.

It's also hilarious that Trump pardoned 600+ violent offenders who participated in the Jan 6 riots. Like, how is DC safer with people who assaulted cops back on the streets?

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Clown post.
But i'll play.

How many of the "violent offenders" are from DC?
Can you give me a break down of the violence? And what they were charged with?