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https://babylonbee.com/news/people-okay-with-murder-outraged-by-tv-show-cancellation
DarkBrandon01 said:
Antifa is a loosely organized protest movement with no centralized organization, roster, or leaders. How exactly do you take out Antifa? Is anyone who claims to be apart of Antifa, Antifa? Do we just arrest anyone who associates with them?
ScottishFire said:deddog said:ScottishFire said:
Here's the thing, guys.
Now that the precedent has been sent, some joker like Joe Biden will decide that Turning Point is generating hate speech or some garbage.
Bondi is already titling the first amendment to define hate speech as the admin sees fit.
I like Trump, so I can't imagine what a left leaning Executive will do.
Were you asleep for the Obama and Biden administrations?
Do you think Charlie Kirk was murdered because Democrats thought he was peaceful?
Democrats HAVE been calling turning point as a radical, nazi organization.
I have seen two posts, TODAY, on Texags, calling Trump Hitler.
Wake up. This has been going on for the last 12 years under Democrat Presidents. They have demonized everyone who doesn't agree with them politically.
I'm very awake, homey.
Just tired of pretending that the continuous, vast expansion of Executive powers is the way forward.
Fightin_Aggie said:WestTexasAg said:
That dudes waist is a myth
oh no said:backintexas2013 said:
Didn't have someone defending Antifa on my bingo card. Left has defended Antifa and also celebrated the killing of CK. What a time to be alive.
it's actually kindof a scary time to be alive. the mentally ill fringe are going around vandalizing, committing arson, assault, and even assassinating the "normies" and the mainstream left is celebrating it and defending it. afterall, it's the mainstream left that has been inciting it, knowing a lot of people in their tent are mentally ill and calling all normies who don't vote for the socialist regime nazis, fascists, racists, transphobes, deplorables, garbage, extremists, etc.
they've been calling right wingers "domestic terrorists" for years, yet all the domestic terror you ever see is from "ideas" that aren't organized. and shouldn't be investigated. give me a fng break.
ScottishFire said:
I can't stand ANTIFA, and state governments should have taken kinetic actions against them multiple times in the last 10 years, BUT this is a bad, bad precedent.
You're kidding yourself, if you don't think this action by the Executive Branch won't be used against conservative groups in the future.
It will come full circle for the Right, and it won't be pretty.
The free speech arguments aside, this is just a basic misunderstanding of the game theory.
— Lomez (@L0m3z) September 18, 2025
The deterrent logic only works if both sides benefit from mutual restraint. But the left already defected. The threat of retaliation is moot since it's guaranteed.
The only rational move… https://t.co/O4Wce5QWgl
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The free speech arguments aside, this is just a basic misunderstanding of the game theory. The deterrent logic only works if both sides benefit from mutual restraint. But the left already defected. The threat of retaliation is moot since it's guaranteed. The only rational move is to establish a new equilibrium by setting new rules with a new payoff/punishment space. And so... we will.
Who?mikejones! said:Hullabaloonatic said:samurai_science said:Hullabaloonatic said:oh no said:Hullabaloonatic said:
...Antifa isn't an organized group though.
yeah, neither is Hamas
you leftists love your terror, don't you?
Wtf are you talking about? Hamas is an organized group with a literal council of leaders.
ANTFA is organized and funded. It's well documented
Who are the leaders of antifa and who is funding them?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3493802/antifa-organization-movement-has-metastasized/Quote:
By design, antifa is a decentralized, left-wing movement of loosely knit "resistance" networks operating primarily in Democratic strongholds. But in recent years, antifa's forces have become highly organized and increasingly sophisticated, with organized crime cells cropping up across the country. Part 1 of this Washington Examiner series, Antifa, Inc., will dispel the modern mythos and misconceptions surrounding antifa as well as document its rise in America, recruitment practices, and well-coordinated crimes.
"Antifa is an idea, not an organization," Joe Biden, then the Democratic presidential nominee, declared on the 2020 debate stage.
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"Not a militia," Biden insisted, amid more than 100 consecutive nights of antifa-led attacks on federal property, police precincts, and downtown businesses in Portland, Oregon.
Antifa, short for antifascist, is indeed an extremist ideology, a blend of anarcho-communist beliefs opposed to adversaries and policies perceived as "fascist." However, its left-wing teachings have incited self-identified members to assemble, form factions, and commit crimes in the name of so-called "antifascist" activism.
As Democrats and liberal media outlets downplay the threat of antifa militancy by portraying antifa as a right-wing bogeyman, this nationwide movement is growing in numbers and evolving into high-level criminal operations.
The rise of American antifa
With origins in interwar Europe, the political phenomenon known as antifa was born out of a "red united front" against Nazi Germany's regime. In 1932, the German Communist Party established a new paramilitary unit, Antifaschistische Aktion, "Antifascist Action," to serve as foot soldiers in this fight.
Antifaschistische Aktion political sticker (Courtesy of the Richard F. Brush Art Gallery, accessed via JSTOR)
Antifaschistische Aktion political sticker (Courtesy of the Richard F. Brush Art Gallery, accessed via JSTOR).
Today, antifa activists tout a modernized black-and-red version of Antifascist Action's insignia while rioting in the streets and on online platforms to affirm their allegiance to the Marxist cause. In antifa's contemporary two-flag logo, red represents communism, and black stands for anarchy.
The advent of antifa in America, a mutation of its European predecessor, was brought about by British influence. Antifascism first found a foothold in Britain's 1970s punk subculture scene, where antiauthoritarian and anarchist views naturally aligned. Eventually, this cultural overlap migrated to the United States and burgeoned especially on the West Coast.
But the first-known antifa offshoot actually emerged out of the Midwest with the Minneapolis Baldies, a gang of skinheads who proclaimed to "hunt down" neo-Nazis. Circa the mid-1980s, the group set up Anti-Racist Action, a precursory confederation meant to spread "bare-fisted" antifascism nationally. At the time, organizers framed the fight as "anti-racist," believing that combating "racism" was more familiar to Americans than fighting "fascism."
Organization and onboarding
While skeptics claim that antifa has no organizational structure, the movement is subdivided into localized chapters, some of which are allied organizations, coalescing in most major U.S. cities.
In riot-torn Portland, Rose City Antifa, formerly the ARA Portland branch, remains America's oldest antifa chapter bearing "antifa" in its name and arguably the most influential.
Founded in 2007, RCA belongs to the national Torch Network, a spin-off of ARA, alongside 11 other chapters stationed all over America, including Antifa Sacramento, Rocky Mountain Antifa, Pacific Northwest Antifascist Workers Collective, and Atlanta Antifascists.
The Minneapolis Police Department deemed Torch Network the "most radical" of antifa cohorts, "responsible for accreditation and recognition of national antifa chapters."Quote:
Lion," infiltrated the antifa chapter and was conditionally approved to join on a probationary basis. In 2017, cell leadership sent Lion a welcome email, blocking out a six-month onboarding process and curriculum.
Prospects are only allowed to enlist upon completion of this vetting program and the unanimous consent of current RCA members, as stipulated in the instructions. Full-fledged RCA members, as part of the Torch Network, must pledge to uphold the "Points of Unity," aka vows to disrupt "fascist" activity, not cooperate with the criminal justice system, oppose "oppression," and act in solidarity with others outside of the network who have similar aims, such as Black Lives Matter.Quote:
To fund these activities, antifa activists generally rake in grassroots funding through payment processors such as Venmo and CashApp. Of the most profitable and more formalized fundraising campaigns, the Portland General Defense Committee's GoFundMe page had amassed more than $1.39 million at the peak of the 2020 George Floyd riots. The massive windfall went toward bailing out rioters, covering legal expenses, and paying for transitional housing, seemingly to streamline catch-and-release.
Antifa is set up kind of like a military unit. It has a company of about 20 people with a LT as a company commander. They use radios on the ground to control movements and objectives.
No, I dont know the names of their leaders nor do I ever want to
ScottishFire said:
Here's the thing, guys.
Now that the precedent has been sent, some joker like Joe Biden will decide that Turning Point is generating hate speech or some garbage.
Bondi is already titling the first amendment to define hate speech as the admin sees fit.
I like Trump, so I can't imagine what a left leaning Executive will do.
74Ag1 said:Who?mikejones! said:Hullabaloonatic said:samurai_science said:Hullabaloonatic said:oh no said:Hullabaloonatic said:
...Antifa isn't an organized group though.
yeah, neither is Hamas
you leftists love your terror, don't you?
Wtf are you talking about? Hamas is an organized group with a literal council of leaders.
ANTFA is organized and funded. It's well documented
Who are the leaders of antifa and who is funding them?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3493802/antifa-organization-movement-has-metastasized/Quote:
By design, antifa is a decentralized, left-wing movement of loosely knit "resistance" networks operating primarily in Democratic strongholds. But in recent years, antifa's forces have become highly organized and increasingly sophisticated, with organized crime cells cropping up across the country. Part 1 of this Washington Examiner series, Antifa, Inc., will dispel the modern mythos and misconceptions surrounding antifa as well as document its rise in America, recruitment practices, and well-coordinated crimes.
"Antifa is an idea, not an organization," Joe Biden, then the Democratic presidential nominee, declared on the 2020 debate stage.
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"Not a militia," Biden insisted, amid more than 100 consecutive nights of antifa-led attacks on federal property, police precincts, and downtown businesses in Portland, Oregon.
Antifa, short for antifascist, is indeed an extremist ideology, a blend of anarcho-communist beliefs opposed to adversaries and policies perceived as "fascist." However, its left-wing teachings have incited self-identified members to assemble, form factions, and commit crimes in the name of so-called "antifascist" activism.
As Democrats and liberal media outlets downplay the threat of antifa militancy by portraying antifa as a right-wing bogeyman, this nationwide movement is growing in numbers and evolving into high-level criminal operations.
The rise of American antifa
With origins in interwar Europe, the political phenomenon known as antifa was born out of a "red united front" against Nazi Germany's regime. In 1932, the German Communist Party established a new paramilitary unit, Antifaschistische Aktion, "Antifascist Action," to serve as foot soldiers in this fight.
Antifaschistische Aktion political sticker (Courtesy of the Richard F. Brush Art Gallery, accessed via JSTOR)
Antifaschistische Aktion political sticker (Courtesy of the Richard F. Brush Art Gallery, accessed via JSTOR).
Today, antifa activists tout a modernized black-and-red version of Antifascist Action's insignia while rioting in the streets and on online platforms to affirm their allegiance to the Marxist cause. In antifa's contemporary two-flag logo, red represents communism, and black stands for anarchy.
The advent of antifa in America, a mutation of its European predecessor, was brought about by British influence. Antifascism first found a foothold in Britain's 1970s punk subculture scene, where antiauthoritarian and anarchist views naturally aligned. Eventually, this cultural overlap migrated to the United States and burgeoned especially on the West Coast.
But the first-known antifa offshoot actually emerged out of the Midwest with the Minneapolis Baldies, a gang of skinheads who proclaimed to "hunt down" neo-Nazis. Circa the mid-1980s, the group set up Anti-Racist Action, a precursory confederation meant to spread "bare-fisted" antifascism nationally. At the time, organizers framed the fight as "anti-racist," believing that combating "racism" was more familiar to Americans than fighting "fascism."
Organization and onboarding
While skeptics claim that antifa has no organizational structure, the movement is subdivided into localized chapters, some of which are allied organizations, coalescing in most major U.S. cities.
In riot-torn Portland, Rose City Antifa, formerly the ARA Portland branch, remains America's oldest antifa chapter bearing "antifa" in its name and arguably the most influential.
Founded in 2007, RCA belongs to the national Torch Network, a spin-off of ARA, alongside 11 other chapters stationed all over America, including Antifa Sacramento, Rocky Mountain Antifa, Pacific Northwest Antifascist Workers Collective, and Atlanta Antifascists.
The Minneapolis Police Department deemed Torch Network the "most radical" of antifa cohorts, "responsible for accreditation and recognition of national antifa chapters."Quote:
Lion," infiltrated the antifa chapter and was conditionally approved to join on a probationary basis. In 2017, cell leadership sent Lion a welcome email, blocking out a six-month onboarding process and curriculum.
Prospects are only allowed to enlist upon completion of this vetting program and the unanimous consent of current RCA members, as stipulated in the instructions. Full-fledged RCA members, as part of the Torch Network, must pledge to uphold the "Points of Unity," aka vows to disrupt "fascist" activity, not cooperate with the criminal justice system, oppose "oppression," and act in solidarity with others outside of the network who have similar aims, such as Black Lives Matter.Quote:
To fund these activities, antifa activists generally rake in grassroots funding through payment processors such as Venmo and CashApp. Of the most profitable and more formalized fundraising campaigns, the Portland General Defense Committee's GoFundMe page had amassed more than $1.39 million at the peak of the 2020 George Floyd riots. The massive windfall went toward bailing out rioters, covering legal expenses, and paying for transitional housing, seemingly to streamline catch-and-release.
Antifa is set up kind of like a military unit. It has a company of about 20 people with a LT as a company commander. They use radios on the ground to control movements and objectives.
No, I dont know the names of their leaders nor do I ever want to
Here are some of their cells
DarkBrandon01 said:
Antifa is a loosely organized protest movement with no centralized organization, roster, or leaders. How exactly do you take out Antifa? Is anyone who claims to be apart of Antifa, Antifa? Do we just arrest anyone who associates with them?
King of the Dairy Queen said:
Literally everyone can identify antifa. The only people who spout the nonsense about them being disorganized or "an idea" are antifa supporters who seek to enable political terrorism. We know what you are, we're not pretending anymore.
NEW: Dutch parliament votes in favor of recognizing Antifa as a terrorist organization
— BNO News Live (@BNODesk) September 18, 2025
Who?mikejones! said:
There technically no listing of domestic terrorist organizations.
"F*ck Charlie Kirk, Spit On Yo Grave"
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) September 19, 2025
BLM protest happening now in NYC:
pic.twitter.com/Ulum3cvkQX
chilimuybueno said:
I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that there must be some sort of conspiracy to commit whatever crimes, across state lines.
Here’s Portland’s Rose City Antifa admitting on their own website that they are an organization that recruits and vets prospective members. Those who fail vetting, i.e., for not being violent and extreme enough, are kicked out. pic.twitter.com/HP1dvlXRAH
— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) September 19, 2025
There are no coincidences.
— DataRepublican (small r) (@DataRepublican) September 19, 2025
The web is drawing in. https://t.co/eFTBssAvzq
Flashback: In 2019, Antifa in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada surrounded an elderly woman, called her "Nazi scum," and wouldn't let her cross the road at their direct action occupation. pic.twitter.com/rRwDJnvZlV
— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) September 19, 2025
TAMUallen said:
Totally not terrorists, right? Just normal good ol leftistsFlashback: In 2019, Antifa in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada surrounded an elderly woman, called her "Nazi scum," and wouldn't let her cross the road at their direct action occupation. pic.twitter.com/rRwDJnvZlV
— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) September 19, 2025
Eta: I mean 2019 too?! Old lady probably didnt even know who these crazies were
Did you know that many liberal states give taxpayer-funded grants to Antifa groups that register as nonprofits? In Oregon, taxpayers fund Antifa legal groups that provide free legal aid to violent Antifa members who are charged with felonies. pic.twitter.com/PbYJDMoBuN
— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) September 19, 2025
Hullabaloonatic said:fixer said:Hullabaloonatic said:Logos Stick said:Hullabaloonatic said:Ag_of_08 said:
There are now organized groups under the antifa heading, cooperating/conspiring with each other.
They, by all appearances, are operating in a very similar manner to the PIRA of decades past ... a common goal/ideology but with isolated cells( the PIRA called them bridgades).
Yes the ANTIFA thing started as an ideology, but it has now coalesced into groups acting very publicly and calling themselves "antifa".
I understand people call themselves "Antifa" just like people call themselves "Christian Nationalists", but that is the ideology, not an organization.
So you cant simply call yourself antifa and act in that name? You have to go get a membership card first or something?
If you call yourself that and act in that name, you are now considered a domestic terrorist. Its not hard
You're being obtuse. If someone commits a crime while hoisting the 'antifa' flag, that's 1 thing...but what about someone who is merely engaging in an 'anti-facist' protest of the Trump administration? Are they domestic terrorists? If I were to walk the public streets of where I live with a sign that says "Trump is a facist, I'm anti facist" is that domestic terrorism?
That's why the single leadership structure matters, because grouping people without association other than a common ideology (hating fascism) is dangerous.
Terrorist organizations don't always have to have a leadership structure that passes your specific litmus test.
Too easy: well you see this group here doesn't have a vp of operations so it can't possibly be a terrorist org despite the fact that they are setting buildings on fire and threatening cops with murder.
What matters is violent behavior and coordination in pursuit of menacing the public based on a specific set of causes.Quote:
Here's a thought exercist: Let's assume for the sake of argument that there are two groups... both call themselves antifa, but one is planning violence and one is just peacefully protesting. Both are anti fascist, but only one is violent. Are both groups domestic terrorists? Or just 1?
If the protesting group has the same flag, symbols, slogans, clothing, and by your own experiment the same name-then there is precious little to separate them from the group that carries out violent tactics.
By your thinking we can have Al qaeda or Hamas March down our lovely streets and neighborhoods threatening to bring down the US, death to Jews, but as long as they are not actively committing a crime , they can't possibly be a terrorist group.
This is a very tortured take and sounds highly contrived to fit a specific narrative that antifa is just an idea. A concept that has been so thoroughly derided it gives second hand embarrassment to see someone actually use this in a discussion.
No, you cannot march down the street threatening ANYONE. That is NOT a protected class of free speech. NO ONE is allowed to threaten anybody, regardless of your ideology. If individuals marched under the banner of Hamas or Al Qaeda but did not incite violence, threaten others, or engage in criminal activity, their speech would still be protected (See the National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie (1977)), however distasteful or disturbing it may be. That's not a loophole. This isn't tortured logic. It's constitutional law. And it's the same principle that protects civil rights activists, religious minorities, and political dissidents from being lumped in with extremists simply because of shared symbols or rhetoric.
It's a core principle of a free society: the government cannot punish people for their beliefs or associations alone. Being 'Anti-Facist' is like being Anti-Feminist; it's a political ideology, not membership of a (terrorist) organization.
Again, to be clear, I'm not advocating for anyone who commits vandalism, terror, or violence...but the Constitution doesn't play favorites when it comes to Free Speech. It protects dissenters, radicals, and provocateurs just as fiercely as it does poets and professors.
. @SomeBitchIIKnow and I have been working all night.
— DataRepublican (small r) (@DataRepublican) September 19, 2025
We believe we've cracked it.
Venezuela.
"Harm reduction" policies.
Soros DA attorneys.
Alliance for Global Justice.
Action Network.
Mutual aid collectives.
Legal defense funds.
Mass migration.
Antifa -- your days of…
I bet this is what happened.
— DataRepublican (small r) (@DataRepublican) September 19, 2025
The Trump administration de-certified Colombia as a partner in the drug war on Monday (which I assumes cuts off a lot of financial aid / introduces sanctions).
The next day, Colombia passes legislation to declare Cartel of the Suns as a terrorist… pic.twitter.com/Nw5WYZFwcP
