Supreme Court Decisions for Wednesday, April 29nd

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Windy City Ag
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There are a ton of seats to be gained by the GOP under the death of disparate impact.


Not really for the reason I just elaborated. Maybe there is 5-10 years of advantage if that . . .
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Windy City Ag said:

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There are a ton of seats to be gained by the GOP under the death of disparate impact.


Not really for the reason I just elaborated. Maybe there is 5-10 years of advantage if that . . .


This is cope. What SCOTUS just did was hand the gop the house for a generation or more starting in 2028
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It is now official Supreme Court precedent that it is the Democrats who are the party of racism:
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Writing at a time when the Democratic Party was dominant in much of Texas, the Court noted that a "white-dominated organization," which had "effective control" over candidate slating within that party, had engaged in " 'racial campaign tactics in white precincts to defeat candidates who had the over-whelming support of the black community,'" thereby " 'effectively exclud[ing]' " the black community "'from participation in the Democratic primary selection process.'" White, 412 U. S., at 766767. The Court likewise cited evidence that the legislature had "invidiously excluded Mexican-Americans from effective participation in political life, specifically in the election of representatives to the Texas House of Representatives."

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BusterAg said:

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In short, 2 imposes liability only when the evidence supports a strong inference that the State intentionally drew its districts to afford minority voters less opportunity because of their race. Not only does this interpretation follow from the plain text of 2, but it is consistent with the limited authority that the Fifteenth Amendment confers.

Just prior
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A plaintiff [alleging racial discrimination] may carry its disentanglement burden by offering an alternative map that achieves all the State's objectivesincluding partisan advantage and any of the State's other political goalsat least as well as the State's map.

Disparate impact is dead. Seeking minority-majority districts specifically is dead.

The states can gerrymander at will, as long as race is not the main reason for the gerrymander. States are prevented from considering race as the primary driver for gerrymander.

Republicans can re-draw districts with zero regard for race going forward.



Did research yesterday on which states would take advantage of this decision for 2026 election. Louisiana will keep their map and will not redraw for this 2026 election.

Alabama, Utah, Tennessee, Louisiana will not redraw for this election in 2026. I am sure you will see them do so before 2028 but nothing is guaranteed

Mississippi (1), South Carolina (1), Georgia (2) and Florida (4) are all considering redrawing before 2026 election. If they do that would be 8 GOP pick ups
Windy City Ag
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This is cope. What SCOTUS just did was hand the gop the house for a generation or more starting in 2028


The only way I believe this is by buying into the argument that there are not many actual swing voters left. That argument has be debunked by a lot of data folks though.

Sure, if the Dems keep trotting out ****** loving, brain dead, big government folks than the house stays with the GOP. If we get another 2000s stretch where the GOP delivers multiple unpopular foreign wars and is in control when a huge recession hits, then they have no prayer of retaining control.
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Z3phyr said:

Using AI so hopefully these numbers are right but currently states with a Trifecta in state government
-Republican 23 states that hold 220 congressional seats
-Democrats 17 states that hold 187 seats
10 split states hold 28 seats that is currently split 15R and 13D

It is a little harder for republican do draw the districts to completely cancel out democratic city seats for some reason even though democrats have no problem drawing pinwheel districts. 235-200 could be a fully gerrymandered map but I would guess between Texas, Ohio, Georgia and Florida the Ds would get another 10 or so seats. I imagine Michigan would be a pretty risky state to try to draw 100% dem seats as well though

So somewhere along the lines of 225-210

Best case scenario is ~20 seat gain. Which is of course a WHOPPING 40 seat swing, which is HUGE.

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According to simulations run by FiveThirtyEight's "Atlas of Redistricting" projectwhich modeled this exact scenario of a nationwide partisan gerrymandering arms racethe resulting 435-seat House map would look roughly like this:
    Republicans: ~262 seatsDemocrats: ~173 seats


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And it seems to me that any computer algorithm used in redistricting maps that incorporates race as a criteria is now subject to being attacked as being unconstitutional on that basis alone.
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This is correct.

It's like how the most popular QB on the roster is the backup. QB1 always takes the blame for everything that goes wrong.

The "ruling" party will always catch the blame and there will always be something that people are upset about. Add on how the Rs don't have the testicular fortitude to lead on strong conservative convictions and the swing voters, low information voters, and disgruntled principled conservatives will always leave an opening for Ds.
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Windy City Ag said:

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I choose to believe this to be correct.


This sounds like James Carville type predictions that were coming out around Obama's election. Remember his 40 More Years: How Democrats Will Rule The Next Generation book?

The reality is that true dedicated Republicans are a small minority. Polls have shown for years that about 25% of folks say they are dedicated Republicans, 27-28% say they are dedicated Democrats, and nearly half of America views themselves as independent and swing to and for depending on who they are mad at.

No amount of redistricting will change this fact. The GOP craps the bed like they did in 2008 then there will likely be another unified Democrat control of Washington. People that say otherwise are just trying to back into their fantasies.





2008 was black Jesus and the Iraq war, nothing more. A bunch of white people wanted to virtue signal and elect the first "black" man to the WH. Plus people were tired of Iraq. Had nothing to do with the "GOP crapping the bed".

Carville incorrectly believed there was some sort of structural change when there was not.

This is a huge structural change! The fact that Dems are doubling down on their own gerrymandering and screaming at the top of their lungs should have provided you a clue. The fact that Kagan slow rolled this decision to try to get deeper into the year so that Rs states wouldn't have time to react should have provided you clue.

Every damn time an R state redraws, the Dems sue and many times its overturned because of section 2. Those days are over!

Your hopium ain't working.
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Windy City Ag said:

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I choose to believe this to be correct.


This sounds like James Carville type predictions that were coming out around Obama's election. Remember his 40 More Years: How Democrats Will Rule The Next Generation book?

The reality is that true dedicated Republicans are a small minority. Polls have shown for years that about 25% of folks say they are dedicated Republicans, 27-28% say they are dedicated Democrats, and nearly half of America views themselves as independent and swing to and for depending on who they are mad at.

No amount of redistricting will change this fact. The GOP craps the bed like they did in 2008 then there will likely be another unified Democrat control of Washington. People that say otherwise are just trying to back into their fantasies.


Carville would have been 100% correct except for one thing.













Donald J. Trump. Him winning in 2016 was so unplanned for, so poorly considered as a possibility that it has shaken the left not to its core but so bad it crumbled to its core. Just needs a little more of a push to finish toppling their ilk off the flat earth the live on.
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How many times has their eating of the dogs and cats been brought up?
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Z3phyr said:

I think it was the right decision but I worry having every state (by both parties) gerrymandering the hell out of the congressional districts means we will be getting more extremist idiots in congress.

Does it really matter when the Senate is the largest obstacle to the conservative movement and limiting the government's continued involvement in our everyday lives?

Also, when it comes to Republicans, I agree with your concern except deep red districts bring in more squishy, spineless swamp trash than they do crazy extremists.
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I actually believe the conservative agenda has a better chance of getting pushed by nominating people that are or at least appear more moderate in primaries. Trump won 31 states in 2024, imagine if every state Trump won had 2 Republican senators. 62 senators ranging from purple to ruby red you could get a lot more done as they would feel safer to vote in the larger group and even if you lose a few on certain votes it wouldn't matter as much.
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Trying to distinguish between "racial gerrymandering" and "partisan gerrymandering" is virtually impossible when one particular racial group consistently votes in 90% lockstep with one party.
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BonfireNerd04 said:

Trying to distinguish between "racial gerrymandering" and "partisan gerrymandering" is virtually impossible when one particular racial group consistently votes in 90% lockstep with one party.

Not really. This assumes said group lives in geographic isolation, which the great society programs were designed to fix 70 years ago. Leaving some room for consideration of 'packing and cracking' is fine, for Alito, if racial intent is proven/demonstrated as the primary one.

The standard of proof is what really changed today, if concerning federal lawfare to strike down maps as unconstitutional per VRA.

Shifting the burden of proof matters in litigation. Like, a lot.

For folks who want less Jazmine Crockets and more 'moderates' this should be great news, imho.
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Polymarket and Kalshi hardly budging with this Supreme Court news. That's a bit disappointing. They are still showing over 80% chance of dems winning house.
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aggiehawg said:

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Windy City Ag said:

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Well the obligatory follow on question is when do we start to see a mass-redistricting kick off (beyond what's happened so far) to make the cut off times for the mid-terms?


From everything I have read, the procedural barriers on the state level are complicated enough that Callais won't have a huge impact on the upcoming midterms. Florida was the last big domino to fall and they are cutting it close on that front.

Follow on elections will of course be much more impacted by the hard to gauge reverberations from this decision.

The biggest takeaway to me is that the electoral map easy pickings have already been seized at this point, hence the dwindling number of contested seats. That is the concern with the Florida redistricting . . . .it is complicated at this point to shut down Dem leaning districts without diluting other areas and accidentally creating new blue zones.

1) The reverberations for follow on elections are not at all hard to gauge. This is wishful thinking
2) There are a ton of seats to be gained by the GOP under the death of disparate impact.

Trump has made significant inroads in black voter support. That once completely reliable voting block for Dems is eroding. Will that continue? If it does, would fighting for majority-minority in every state even make sense anymore?

Yes, because "inroads" had a starting point of like 90%. Gerrymander challenges for the DEMs almost always rely on racial issues. When that is gone, GOP can pretty much gerrymander at will.

Until black support raises to something like 40% GOP, it is very much worth pursuing. We have a long way to go.
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Windy City Ag said:

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I choose to believe this to be correct.


This sounds like James Carville type predictions that were coming out around Obama's election. Remember his 40 More Years: How Democrats Will Rule The Next Generation book?

The reality is that true dedicated Republicans are a small minority. Polls have shown for years that about 25% of folks say they are dedicated Republicans, 27-28% say they are dedicated Democrats, and nearly half of America views themselves as independent and swing to and for depending on who they are mad at.

No amount of redistricting will change this fact. The GOP craps the bed like they did in 2008 then there will likely be another unified Democrat control of Washington. People that say otherwise are just trying to back into their fantasies.



The policy differences between the 2008 Dem party and the 2026 Dem party are MILES!!!! apart.

You start eroding things like gerrymandered districts due to race, and cheating at the poles, and the probability of a 2008 type wipe out would require a HUGE change in platform for the Dems.
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Windy City Ag said:

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There are a ton of seats to be gained by the GOP under the death of disparate impact.


Not really for the reason I just elaborated. Maybe there is 5-10 years of advantage if that . . .

What do you mean by this?

I don't understand how / why you are measuring the advantage in years as opposed to headcounts.
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Windy City Ag said:


The only way I believe this is by buying into the argument that there are not many actual swing voters left.

I mean, I agree that there are a lot of people in the middle.

The Dems are far, far, far from being in the middle.

If they come back towards the middle, everything really changes, of course.

I don't know that they can or will.
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Bulldog73 said:

And it seems to me that any computer algorithm used in redistricting maps that incorporates race as a criteria is now subject to being attacked as being unconstitutional on that basis alone.

Great point.

The GOP could just use the exact same model and take out Race.

Not a slam dunk, but could potentially be challenged.
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BonfireNerd04 said:

Trying to distinguish between "racial gerrymandering" and "partisan gerrymandering" is virtually impossible when one particular racial group consistently votes in 90% lockstep with one party.

True. So, race will not be a very good way to challenge minority-majority districts drawn by Dems.

But, for the same reason, challenging GOP drawn districts using racial disparity as a reason for the challenge is pretty much over.
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Unless it is blatant, or you say you are redistricting because of race, you are good to go!

SCOTUS says redistricting is a purely political process which federal courts have no say in. So just redistrict politically, which everyone wants to do anyway and call it a day.
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What a day.


Leftist Nick Stephanopoulos:
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Seems pretty likely that any MS district configuration adopted for "partisan" / "political" reasons is now lawful, regardless of the consequences for minority voters. I don't see how anyone could win a claim against the map on the left under Callais.

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Anyone who thinks this decision means the Democrats will fade from national power is dreaming.

If they get in power in the mid-terms they will try to pack the Supreme Court and simply change this decision.

They will also add two new Democrat states.
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