His second term is absolutely not wrecked some left wing talking point...lmao

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Eventually someone will have to answer for the lies of this admistration.

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LOL what does that look like exactly what lies specifically bunch of nonsense, and you spelled administration wrong.

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You can paint the turd of $4 per gallon gas yellow all you want but you still have a turd.

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If gas prices at $4 bother you this much, may I suggest an EV?

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His second term is absolutely not wrecked some left wing talking point...lmao

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LOL what does that look like exactly what lies specifically bunch of nonsense, and you spelled administration wrong.

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Perhaps, start with pallets of cash to IRAN, the Benghazi disaster, and funnelled money through UKRAINE...

You cannot say you are further right than "95% of this board" then say the MSM has been friendly to him and then parrot the lie that we killed a bunch of little girls.

If you are going to try and gaslight, maybe not put that stuff in there and you could maybe full someone not paying attention.

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45-70Ag said:

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You can paint the turd of $4 per gallon gas yellow all you want but you still have a turd.

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If gas prices at $4 bother you this much, may I suggest an EV?

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So everyone should be on board with it? No dissent, no questioning? Just grin and say higher.

For 50 years, Iran has been able to create havoc in the strait whenever they want. Maybe you don't know the history.

Ultimately, this mission is to significantly set back their nuke capability (it won't be forever, nothing is forever) - done, and then have the strait settle back to normal. Not there yet on the strait but it will be shortly. It's Iran's only chip but the more they play it, the more quickly alternatives to navigating the strait will come to fruition.

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45-70Ag said:

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You can paint the turd of $4 per gallon gas yellow all you want but you still have a turd.

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If gas prices at $4 bother you this much, may I suggest an EV?

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So everyone should be on board with it? No dissent, no questioning? Just grin and say higher.

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when gas was $5 dollar a gallon under Xiden half this country and media told us it wasn't a big deal, now it is?

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45-70Ag said:

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You can paint the turd of $4 per gallon gas yellow all you want but you still have a turd.

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If gas prices at $4 bother you this much, may I suggest an EV?

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So everyone should be on board with it? No dissent, no questioning? Just grin and say higher.

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No, I said if it bothers you so much there are alternatives.

I'll take temporary gas hike vs vaporized grandkids. You don't though.

I have never seen $5 per gallon. Biden is irrelevant in a thousand ways so not sure why that idiots name is brought up.

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You can paint the turd of $4 per gallon gas yellow all you want but you still have a turd.

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If gas prices at $4 bother you this much, may I suggest an EV?

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So everyone should be on board with it? No dissent, no questioning? Just grin and say higher.

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No, I said if it bothers you so much there are alternatives.

I'll take temporary gas hike vs vaporized grandkids. You don't though.

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I'm all for ending this idiocy and not negotiating with these idiots. Nothing will come of it. So far it's been idiotic, attack and then back off before anything worthwhile can be achieved.

There's a half century track record that any kind of talk with them will fail but here we are. And the effort to negotiate has led to this. Your vaporized talk is as silly as the half effort so far to defeat them.

Right. And since you are NOT sitting in the room or on the negotiating team, then how can you speak so definitively about the details of any "deal"?

I cannot tell if people are just throwing around fauxrage over these anonymous terms or if the suffer eternal TDS and will cry and tantrum over any terms.

Do you really believe anything you see in terms is based in actual reality?

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For 50 years, Iran has been able to create havoc in the strait whenever they want. Maybe you don't know the history.

Ultimately, this mission is to significantly set back their nuke capability (it won't be forever, nothing is forever) - done, and then have the strait settle back to normal. Not there yet on the strait but it will be shortly. It's Iran's only chip but the more they play it, the more quickly alternatives to navigating the strait will come to fruition.

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When refresh my memory? When has Iran caused problems in the strait that doubled our gas prices?

1980s, especially the late 80s. Laid mines and caused all sorts of chaos as a war strategy vs Iraq. You know what the world did? Upped production from elsewhere

You posted that before the war they didn't control the strait. They have always been able to cause this much trouble in the strait if they wanted to, if not more. But it's not a great strategy for them long-term as the world will find other options.

What I believe is that a campaign thats focused on air and what little naval engagement there is will provide limited results.

If this is truly about guaranteeing Iran will never possess nuclear weapons because they were close to doing so, should mean you're willing to commit ground troops to wipe everything out. Forget nation building, they can do that themselves with whoever is left after the fighting is over.

But if we are hesitant to commit ground troops we shouldn't be undertaking this at all. Either the threat is real and requires doing things that are unimaginably difficult or it isn't.

There is no forever on nukes. Anyone thinking that is possible with one campaign, whether it's by air or ground, is mistaken. But we can set them back years, which we have, and it can be done again.

I believe Trump and Hegseth have shown competence thus far in our military actions.

Maybe you don't. But you have a lot of baseless supposition about what you think has to happen to achieve objectives.

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You can paint the turd of $4 per gallon gas yellow all you want but you still have a turd.

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If gas prices at $4 bother you this much, may I suggest an EV?

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So everyone should be on board with it? No dissent, no questioning? Just grin and say higher.

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No, I said if it bothers you so much there are alternatives.

I'll take temporary gas hike vs vaporized grandkids. You don't though.

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Come on unless your grandkids are moving to Israel they were never going to be vaporized. Iran was never a nuclear threat to us.

That's the major problem you want us to drive a electric vehicle just so Israel isn't attacked. I pay taxes and live in the United States my life shouldn't be worse to protect them. It's not our job to protect any other country especially one that does nothing to improve the life of middle class Americans. The list of countries that we should protect Israel is at the bottom but of course because they bribe or even blackmail our fellow Americans we pay double in gas.

Up to this point, this air campaign hasn't accomplished very much. Killing the leaders is great but an entire system is what needs to be eradicated and a bombing campaign won't accomplish that.

If you can build a nuke, you could choose to deliver it in a number of ways. They could absolutely put this on a boat and park it somewhere it could do massive devastation. No one thought AQ could knock down the twin towers until they did. A country whose central theme is "Death to America" is not one we want having a nuke. I guess that is hard to grasp

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Up to this point, this air campaign hasn't accomplished very much. Killing the leaders is great but an entire system is what needs to be eradicated and a bombing campaign won't accomplish that.

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This is the mideast we are talking about, there is no eradicating the system

Then let's get serious about it and quit trying to accomplish that with a half effort on only using air power because it's more politically expedient. If this threat is as real as being stated, let's end the threat. We can't even secure something that's smaller than Lake Michigan right now because the effort isn't there.

You are asking for Iraq Part 2. We aren't doing it. Break their wmd capabilities, kill some leaders, kill lead scientists, stand back and watch them fight and kill each other for power. This is actually what we should have done with them.

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You can paint the turd of $4 per gallon gas yellow all you want but you still have a turd.

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If gas prices at $4 bother you this much, may I suggest an EV?

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So everyone should be on board with it? No dissent, no questioning? Just grin and say higher.

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No, I said if it bothers you so much there are alternatives.

I'll take temporary gas hike vs vaporized grandkids. You don't though.

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Come on unless your grandkids are moving to Israel they were never going to be vaporized. Iran was never a nuclear threat to us.

That's the major problem you want us to drive a electric vehicle just so Israel isn't attacked. I pay taxes and live in the United States my life shouldn't be worse to protect them. It's not our job to protect any other country especially one that does nothing to improve the life of middle class Americans. The list of countries that we should protect Israel is at the bottom but of course because they bribe or even blackmail our fellow Americans we pay double in gas.

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Okay, another Fuentes bro.

Are you aware of the long range missile sent to Diego Garcia, one that great expanded the known range of Iranian missiles now include substantially all of Europe? Or do we just wait for a Panamanian flagged houthi driven hamas sailors stops off in Bander Abbas to load a nuke on a container and park it in the middle of the atlantic and glasses DC.

To avoid that isn't worth driving an EV? I don't mind temporarily paying for higher gas to resolve the Iran problem.

You think any real threat is redonkaluss and that we are only concerned with what Israel wants us to do. How in the heck did you arrive at such a poor conclusion?

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Up to this point, this air campaign hasn't accomplished very much. Killing the leaders is great but an entire system is what needs to be eradicated and a bombing campaign won't accomplish that.

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Sorry you are just so wrong on this. But everyone is entitled to their perspective, no matter how bizarre and baseless it may be.

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I don't mind temporarily paying for higher gas to resolve the Iran problem.

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How is Trump begging Iran to agree to a differently worded mildly stronger version of the JCPOA and a sweetener -- Trump's peace deal reportedly includes gifting tens of billions of dollars to the Iranian mullah - IRGC regime -- how is that a resolution to the Iran problem?

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I don't mind temporarily paying for higher gas to resolve the Iran problem.

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How is Trump begging Iran to agree to a differently worded mildly stronger version of the JCPOA and a sweetener -- Trump's peace deal reportedly includes gifting tens of billions of dollars to the Iranian mullah - IRGC regime -- how is that a resolution to the Iran problem?

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Your fantasy is not happening. Even you have to remind yourself to use "reportedly".

I understand the only plausible outcome you will consider is a disaster for Trump (and the world) and vindication for Lord
Obama and International Man of Genius John Kerry brokered that literally sent pallets of cash on an airplane to Iran for them to fund terror attacks.

But yea, Trump is "begging" Iran.

Sorry you side is losing but America and Donald John Trump are winning.

The idea Trump can do no wrong is idiotic. He can do wrong like Reagan and Bush 1 and 2 could do wrong.

We attacked and then stopped and didn't accomplish anything out of it. We're still negotiating with people who aren't serious about it but we get grandiose statements of we will wipe you off the map for weeks on end.

Meanwhile, they're still on the map.

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You can paint the turd of $4 per gallon gas yellow all you want but you still have a turd.

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If gas prices at $4 bother you this much, may I suggest an EV?

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So everyone should be on board with it? No dissent, no questioning? Just grin and say higher.

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No, I said if it bothers you so much there are alternatives.

I'll take temporary gas hike vs vaporized grandkids. You don't though.

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Come on unless your grandkids are moving to Israel they were never going to be vaporized. Iran was never a nuclear threat to us.

That's the major problem you want us to drive a electric vehicle just so Israel isn't attacked. I pay taxes and live in the United States my life shouldn't be worse to protect them. It's not our job to protect any other country especially one that does nothing to improve the life of middle class Americans. The list of countries that we should protect Israel is at the bottom but of course because they bribe or even blackmail our fellow Americans we pay double in gas.

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Okay, another Fuentes bro.

Are you aware of the long range missile sent to Diego Garcia, one that great expanded the known range of Iranian missiles now include substantially all of Europe? Or do we just wait for a Panamanian flagged houthi driven hamas sailors stops off in Bander Abbas to load a nuke on a container and park it in the middle of the atlantic and glasses DC.

To avoid that isn't worth driving an EV? I don't mind temporarily paying for higher gas to resolve the Iran problem.

You think any real threat is redonkaluss and that we are only concerned with what Israel wants us to do. How in the heck did you arrive at such a poor conclusion?

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Easily diego garcia 2000 miles we are at minimum 7000 miles away. That's just giving you the diego garcia missile shoot. Believing the main stream media that said Diego Garcia could be attack and then it was.

You make my point for me. Hamas has a nuke and risks a month in transport instead of just using it against Israel. Just find it really hard to believe Hamas hates Israel so much but they give Israel a pass to travel by sea to attack us.

The threat within is the 50 million illegals. Our families are more likely to be killed by a drunk illegal then a Iranian terrorist. Just say your more concerned about Israel then the American tax payers.

You don't believe the news reporting about the MOU Trump sent to Iran's rulers, which Iran has responded today. Interesting.

Now it's 50 million illegals? Reddit / BlueSky seem to have bad data this morning.

Was Al-Qaeda only after Israel when they flew planes into buildings 25 years ago?

You act as though Trump didnt close the border, hasnt taken action to remove over 3 million illegals, hasnt taken our drug boats bringing poison to our shores, hasnt leveled the global trading playing field, hasnt extended and broadened huge tac cuts that benefit businesses and the average joe alike.

Nope, he has focused his entire 2nd term putting Israel first.

Is that really the narrative you are going with your "far right" fake America First stance?

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You cannot say you are further right than "95% of this board" then say the MSM has been friendly to him and then parrot the lie that we killed a bunch of little girls.

If you are going to try and gaslight, maybe not put that stuff in there and you could maybe full someone not paying attention.

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Did anyone press Trump when he said the tomahawk missile came from elsewhere? Simple research it's only us that had that missile. Has anyone pressed Trump on punishment for killing 160 little girls? We had guys in Leavenworth for killing bomb makers. Guys forced to retire because they called in a strike taking fire but knocked some old building down next door. The press has hounded presidents over a lot less but nothing on this.

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You don't believe the news reporting about the MOU Trump sent to Iran's rulers, which Iran has responded today. Interesting.

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No I don't. But it's not surprising you lap it up as gospel. Not interesting.

will Barack Obama ever stop destroying the United States?!

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You cannot say you are further right than "95% of this board" then say the MSM has been friendly to him and then parrot the lie that we killed a bunch of little girls.

If you are going to try and gaslight, maybe not put that stuff in there and you could maybe full someone not paying attention.

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Did anyone press Trump when he said the tomahawk missile came from elsewhere? Simple research it's only us that had that missile. Has anyone pressed Trump on punishment for killing 160 little girls? We had guys in Leavenworth for killing bomb makers. Guys forced to retire because they called in a strike taking fire but knocked some old building down next door. The press has hounded presidents over a lot less but nothing on this.

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Yes, as well as Hegseth and Rubio. It was covered by NYT and the BBC and just about everyone else.

It's estimated that potentially 110 girls were killed when a targeting of a known IRGC compound did not have updated reclassification that the lovely IRGC decided to add a primary school to their existing compound. Is t that lovely.

Both the Army and the UN along with several other watchdog groups have ongoing investigations.

What we know for certain is that the IRGC installed a human shield on one of their compounds and we failed to update our database.

But the only wrongdoing is on the Iranians, which you bizarrely excuse from any and all responsibility.

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will Barack Obama ever stop destroying the United States?!

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Dear Don,

Until you resume bombing the hell out of them, they're laughing at you. Quit being a sucker. They're not serious about giving up anything.