***Official USMNT-WCQ Octagonal Thread***

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But he got the ball first.
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Pulisic still struggling to return.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/chelsea-engchelsea/story/4500687/chelseas-christian-pulisic-really-suffering-to-overcome-injury-thomas-tuchel
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What else is new? Pulisic must be made of glass.
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KCup17 said:

What else is new? Pulisic must be made of glass.
High ankle sprains take a long time. Sometimes you're better off breaking it.

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Without Reyna and likely without Pulisic for the two Nov qualifiers. I'm guessing our roster will look pretty similar to what we had this last window with a couple of minor tweaks.
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That is true but this is just another injury in his already long list of prior injuries.
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KCup17 said:

That is true but this is just another injury in his already long list of prior injuries.
Yeah, he's had some muscular issues, but had a good run at the end of last season. This was a freak injury if you ask me, but he doesn't get the benefit on the doubt on this one from most.
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Ankle injuries suck bad... why I stopped playing soccer in high school. And they still give me problems when running more than 15 miles a week. I'm sure they have better care and work harder and more consistently at strengthening/rehabbing... but ankle injuries are no joke.
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He for sure did. But freak injury or no, it all is the same when labelling a player as "injury prone".

He's only played in one game this season for Chelsea. Partially due to covid and now his high ankle sprain. really sucks to see but here's to hoping he comes back stronger.
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jeffk said:

Without Reyna and likely without Pulisic for the two Nov qualifiers. I'm guessing our roster will look pretty similar to what we had this last window with a couple of minor tweaks.
Where did you see that Reyna wont be available? I've only seen Roger Gonzalez report from "sources", but if you follow long enough you will see that he is very inconsistent with how accurate his reports are.


I guess we will see, it would suck to be missing them both again.
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I'm most interested to see if Gregg will call some other players in, outside of the 14 or so 'locks'.
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#backstronger
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Changes we hopefully see from October (assuming Gio and Pulisic Miss):

1. Konrad in, Roldan out.
2. Miazga in, McKenzie out
3. Scally in, Bello out.
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In his couple of years with Chelsea, Pulisic has missed about 6 months with an abductor/hip flexor tear, another month with a calf strain, almost two months with a hamstring (which really hurt as he had been kicking ass and looked like he might become one of the top players in europe coming out of the covid-restart before that), missed a match for quarantine / covid-protocols, another month for a muscle injury, two weeks with covid, and now almost two months with an ankle injury. From fall of 2019 through fall of 2021, he's never been healthy for very long and thus not been able to fully establish himself other than that stretch after the 2020 covid-restart.

It really sucks for him. I suspect that his direct style of play, tendency to go to ground to draw fouls often, and the concacafing he receives during his international breaks will always yield him susceptible to bone injuries from knocks... but the muscle / soft tissue stuff - calf, hammy, groin - if he doesn't get past those and prove he can stay healthy for long stretches, he'll be out at Chelsea very soon.

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Yeah, just the stuff reported yesterday. But until I see him play meaningful minutes for Dortmund, I'm trying to make my peace with him not being in the red, white, and blue in Nov.
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H.E. Pennypacker said:

Changes we hopefully see from October (assuming Gio and Pulisic Miss):

1. Konrad in, Roldan out.
2. Miazga in, McKenzie out
3. Scally in, Bello out.

100% agree on 1 and 2.

For #3: I really don't know what we get with Scally, although the level he's playing at, he should be capped and working in with the senior team soon as he could become important by Qatar... His youth / development was central defender and right back, but he's played some left back. I think he's playing more right back and right wingback in Bundesliga now? Where would the 18 year old fit in right now?

LB: Antonee, Dest, Bello, Vines, Ream?
RB: Dest, Cannon, Shaq, Yedlin


Also, does Zardes stay home and we get either Sargent or Pefok back for these next two WCQ match days in Nov?
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I say let's see if Scally can be a viable backup at LB and have Dest concentrate on RB.

Until Sargent starts scoring, I say we get Pepi, Zardes and Pefolk for Nov window.
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oh no said:

H.E. Pennypacker said:

Changes we hopefully see from October (assuming Gio and Pulisic Miss):

1. Konrad in, Roldan out.
2. Miazga in, McKenzie out
3. Scally in, Bello out.

100% agree on 1 and 2.

For #3: I really don't know what we get with Scally, although the level he's playing at, he should be capped and working in with the senior team soon as he could become important by Qatar... His youth / development was central defender and right back, but he's played some left back. I think he's playing more right back and right wingback in Bundesliga now? Where would the 18 year old fit in right now?

LB: Antonee, Dest, Bello, Vines, Ream?
RB: Dest, Cannon, Shaq, Yedlin


Also, does Zardes stay home and we get either Sargent or Pefok back for these next two WCQ match days in Nov?
Despite what we all think of Zardes, he has known strengths and weaknesses...and probably a lot of our negative opinion is pretty outdated at this point. He's not an elite player, but he does aspects of his game that are elite. They just aren't the flashy parts.

I think, assuming health, Pepi and Zardes are the for sure forwards called in, with room for 1 or 2 spots (depending on a players positional flexibility)
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PatAg said:

oh no said:

H.E. Pennypacker said:

Changes we hopefully see from October (assuming Gio and Pulisic Miss):

1. Konrad in, Roldan out.
2. Miazga in, McKenzie out
3. Scally in, Bello out.

100% agree on 1 and 2.

For #3: I really don't know what we get with Scally, although the level he's playing at, he should be capped and working in with the senior team soon as he could become important by Qatar... His youth / development was central defender and right back, but he's played some left back. I think he's playing more right back and right wingback in Bundesliga now? Where would the 18 year old fit in right now?

LB: Antonee, Dest, Bello, Vines, Ream?
RB: Dest, Cannon, Shaq, Yedlin


Also, does Zardes stay home and we get either Sargent or Pefok back for these next two WCQ match days in Nov?
Despite what we all think of Zardes, he has known strengths and weaknesses...and probably a lot of our negative opinion is pretty outdated at this point. He's not an elite player, but he does aspects of his game that are elite. They just aren't the flashy parts.

I think, assuming health, Pepi and Zardes are the for sure forwards called in, with room for 1 or 2 spots (depending on a players positional flexibility)
Known strengths, aspects of his game that are elite = I feel the same way about Sargent that you do about Zardes. The energy tracking back to help defend and win balls, making all of the runs, aggressive high pressure when the opponent wants to play it out, etc... Sargent is very good at those things. Just want to see him finish and score a goal.

With Pepi and Zardes being the only true #9s called in Oct for three match days, if we add a 3rd or swap one out for the two match days in November (Pefok or Sargent), we'd sacrifice a winger - Roldan, Arriola Hoppe, Aaaronson, Weah, (...I'd like Konrad in for Roldan on the wing)... so then if you want another #9, either give up Zardes or Arriola in the call-ups.
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oh no said:

PatAg said:

oh no said:

H.E. Pennypacker said:

Changes we hopefully see from October (assuming Gio and Pulisic Miss):

1. Konrad in, Roldan out.
2. Miazga in, McKenzie out
3. Scally in, Bello out.

100% agree on 1 and 2.

For #3: I really don't know what we get with Scally, although the level he's playing at, he should be capped and working in with the senior team soon as he could become important by Qatar... His youth / development was central defender and right back, but he's played some left back. I think he's playing more right back and right wingback in Bundesliga now? Where would the 18 year old fit in right now?

LB: Antonee, Dest, Bello, Vines, Ream?
RB: Dest, Cannon, Shaq, Yedlin


Also, does Zardes stay home and we get either Sargent or Pefok back for these next two WCQ match days in Nov?
Despite what we all think of Zardes, he has known strengths and weaknesses...and probably a lot of our negative opinion is pretty outdated at this point. He's not an elite player, but he does aspects of his game that are elite. They just aren't the flashy parts.

I think, assuming health, Pepi and Zardes are the for sure forwards called in, with room for 1 or 2 spots (depending on a players positional flexibility)
Known strengths, aspects of his game that are elite = I feel the same way about Sargent that you do about Zardes. The energy tracking back to help defend and win balls, making all of the runs, aggressive high pressure when the opponent wants to play it out, etc... Sargent is very good at those things. Just want to see him finish and score a goal.

With Pepi and Zardes being the only true #9s called in Oct for three match days, if we add a 3rd or swap one out for the two match days in November (Pefok or Sargent), we'd sacrifice a winger - Roldan, Arriola Hoppe, Aaaronson, Weah, (...I'd like Konrad in for Roldan on the wing)... so then if you want another #9, either give up Zardes or Arriola in the call-ups.
I'm a big believer in Sargent, even if he is struggling right now. I just saw him play with such technical skill in the US YNT games, I still believe in him.
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akm91 said:

I say let's see if Scally can be a viable backup at LB and have Dest concentrate on RB.

Until Sargent starts scoring, I say we get Pepi, Zardes and Pefolk for Nov window.
I agree.

Yes Scally at LB is out of position, but he started this year at that position for his club, so he's got recent reps at a very high level (one of those games was against Bayern).

And on the flip side of the coin, of our "ideal" starters, I think Antonee is the weakest link, so it makes sense to at least try Scally out there and see if he's an improvement. And I think even if Antonee proves to be better than Scally, the chances are pretty good that Scally would be the second best option on either side so he's likely to be in off the bench regularly.
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I believe in Sargent's ability but he needs to put it all together and producing the end product. That said, I'm pretty jazzed about Pepi's improved hold up play.
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Article from two days ago re: Sargent's "outstanding performance" last weekend despite missing two scoring chances.

Josh Sargent: Farke backs USMNT striker after big misses in 'outstanding performance'

The moment Sargent finally scores a goal or two, USMNT fans will be clamoring for Gregg to call him for the next WCQ window. We have a striker playing in the EPL. Unfortunate Norwich is probably the worst team in EPL and Sargent isn't yet a regular starter, but this guy still has so much potential in front of him.
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And on the flip side of the coin, of our "ideal" starters, I think Antonee is the weakest link, so it makes sense to at least try Scally out there and see if he's an improvement.
Really the only thing Antonee needs to improve is consistency of his crosses into the box. His defense is light years better than his initial caps.
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Yeah, we've struggled to find a quality LB since Beasley. Antonee has improved in every facet of the game and is by far our best LB right now. We really needed it from him as it allows us to keep Dest at RB. Wanted just a little bit more quality on some crosses a couple weeks ago, but Antonee has provided plenty of good service in prior matches. We really need to build depth there as we'll need more than one in Qatar and you never know with health & fitness in this sport. I liked the performances from Vines and Bello this summer. Bello had a rough outing away in Panama last week, but I remain high on him and his development. Willing to get Scalley capped and tried out. He's playing well in a top league and he's certainly got some utility as LB or RB, like Dest.
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2. Miazga in, McKenzie out
Miazga versus Mexico?

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Who would have thought that Sargent would be the USMNT player getting the most consistent playing time in the EPL this season? Certainly not me.

Edit: Where in the world is Owen Otasowie? Signed for Club Brugge in August but hasn't made an appearance since he joined the club.
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I hate to say it but Pulisic may end up being the most talented USMNT player who never is able to log meaningful minutes for the squad. He just looks injury prone. He also takes a beating.
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Mathguy64 said:

I hate to say it but Pulisic may end up being the most talented USMNT player who never is able to log meaningful minutes for the squad. He just looks injury prone. He also takes a beating.
I really hope not.
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He's has 40 caps already in his career.
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akm91 said:

He's has 40 caps already in his career.
How many meaningful caps? He played in the WCQ failure in '18. And now? He could end up missing the rest of the Ocho. I hope its not the case. But he sure is starting to look like one of those players that just cannot stay healthy.
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as I pointed out earlier, the current ankle injury that was the result of a knock in the September WCQ match vs Honduras is the only such injury. All of his other injuries over the past couple of years - calf strain, abductor tear, hamstring pull --- all soft tissue - muscle/tendon issues. It's either a string of bad luck or he's just strung tight and will always battle these types of issues. Sucks for him.
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I'm going with the "glass half full" perspective

CP is still very young
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oh no said:

as I pointed out earlier, the current ankle injury that was the result of a knock in the September WCQ match vs Honduras is the only such injury. All of his other injuries over the past couple of years - calf strain, abductor tear, hamstring pull --- all soft tissue - muscle/tendon issues. It's either a string of bad luck or he's just strung tight and will always battle these types of issues. Sucks for him.
He's hopefully gonna start learning to get rid of the ball quicker when he needs to
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Zardes is out for the remainder of the MLS season.
 
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